The search for a new DM
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Reckon we should probably get both Andre and Valera then....you know, just to be on the safe side.
Those are some sexy percentiles and numbers......the only ones in the red zone only really apply to attacking players.
The miscontrols/dispossessed ideally would be a little lower but he's obviously a very good passer of the ball and likes to get on the ball a lot.
Is there any idea on what his success rate is at winning ground/aerial duels? tackles won, distance of ground covered etc.
The miscontrols/dispossessed ideally would be a little lower but he's obviously a very good passer of the ball and likes to get on the ball a lot.
Is there any idea on what his success rate is at winning ground/aerial duels? tackles won, distance of ground covered etc.
Oh fuck..
Hes more of a risk than lavia, but a cheaper one. Thats all my point
You think so? Risk is measured by their price and experience. More of an unknown, sure.
I didn't get the "played less senior football than Lavia" part.
A 19 year old for £50m will always be riskier than a £25m who's a few years older regardless if that 19 year old has had a season in the prem.
I didn't get the "played less senior football than Lavia" part.
A 19 year old for £50m will always be riskier than a £25m who's a few years older regardless if that 19 year old has had a season in the prem.
I don't think he's more of a risk than Lavia, partly because he will probably cost 50% (or more) lesser but is not "half worse". I don't think we are in for him though - hopefully Schmadtke proves me wrong.
Won Best Newcomer in 1st full top flight season (2021)
Named in Team of the Year in the following season (2022)
Earned his 1st senior cap in Jun this year
Regular for a top half Brazilian side
Involved in continental football (Copa Libertadores can be considered as the equivalent to Champions League)
10735 mins in 3 seasons = 119 x 90 mins = avg. 39 games per season (made his professional debut in Sep 2020) - 61 apps, 5227 mins last season
Won Best Newcomer in 1st full top flight season (2021)
Named in Team of the Year in the following season (2022)
Earned his 1st senior cap in Jun this year
Regular for a top half Brazilian side
Involved in continental football (Copa Libertadores can be considered as the equivalent to Champions League)
10735 mins in 3 seasons = 119 x 90 mins = avg. 39 games per season (made his professional debut in Sep 2020) - 61 apps, 5227 mins last season
Granted Lavia will know a lot more English, Lavia will still need to learn the culture and speed of the football......at Liverpool. We're not Southampton & as proven over the years when players from lesser Prem clubs have transferred to the top 6, "Prem proven" really doesn't count for all that much.
Look at Cucurella, Drinkwater & Barkley.
Look at Maguire & Wan Bissaka.
Look at Bissouma & Richarlison
Great sample size.
This is about risk.
Every transfer is a risk and isn't guaranteed success.
But on the risk scale, Andre is far higher than Lavia.
Lavia has played in Europe. He understands the language (and thus can receive information from his coach/teammates easier). He also knows the speed of the PL, knows all the players in the PL and has shown the ability to play in the league.
He will still have to understand the club/city and our requirements of him.
But it's not like he's going to be a young man moving to a whole new continent (on his own, initially, no doubt) and be expected to perform almost immediately in an unknown league for a manager he doesn't understand.
If we sign Andre, then Klopp must believe Stef B/Thiago/Hendo can perform the DM role for the first 6-9 months.
Just needed 1 to prove the point tbh & those 7 signings have all come in the last 5 years.......Prem proven is no more risk free than signing someone from abroad if the 2 players in question have the same level of experience.
You'll be amazed how many of the top 6 clubs signings come from overseas.....
Danilo and Gomes thrusted straight into relegation fights (esp. the former) hasn't done too badly too? Or even Alcaraz (yeah, not DM, but another example of a young player moving to English football from SA).
Alcaraz at Soton as well. Julian Alvarez at City.
We can go back a little further to the likes of Ramires, Oscar, Paulinho & Willian.
Our very own Masch?
Caicedo is the one I'd go for, he seems to fit the bill, maybe I'm wrong, I'm no expert and I take no notice of all those stats bollocks, he just seems like the right one, to me, hopefully I'm not wrong 😉
TBF masch was fucking shite at west ham
Wasn't reaaaaaally given much of a chance though was he?
It's like saying Arthur Melo or Nuri Sahin was shit for us. Very inconclusive to say the least.
Certainly not but then no transfer is risk free but equally there are countless who have stepped up and flourished.
We 've lost too many Brazilians with Alisson being the only one. Besides, Portuguese is the second language of the club.
Well I'd say the likes of Minamino, Robbo, Shaqiri, Matip, Milner, Gomez were risk free tbh. I'd also include Bajcetic Doak Adrian Sepp Elliott Ramsey & Carvalho. A signing is still a signing.
There are as much countless who step up that flourish signed from overseas too? We've had great success with both wouldn't you say?
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Is he a genuine Brazilian box to box midfielder in the words of wotsisname off EastEnders?
Surely risk should be measured by success or failure? In which case I'm all in on Lavia due to actually having proven himself in the PL. Young yes, but also proven to be damn good.
Well that has more to do with THEIR (lack of) quality than being PL proven.
That’s a fair point.
@Frogfish - as someone who has watched football for a very long time, I need to ask you and others, were you kind of sick of watching our same midfielders for what seems like what 5-6 years now ?, I am actually glad that we are only going to have Thiago left now, as bad as it sounds - before the Saudi links came up, I was ready for just one of the three to leave us of Thiago, Fab, and Henderson, but now I really could not give a shit if all three left. I just want some new players in that area, am so tired of watching them especially after the quad, and the last season - it was too much. I wish Klopp had had the guts to let go of Ox, and Keita and whatever money we would have got - lets say 30M - we could have invested that in a young an upcoming CM, who could have played more games to give the likes of Henderson/Milner/Fab some well needed rest.
Why would I have been? I loved football under Klopp during those years. Of course Ox should have been let go earlier, and he's not the only one. Keita I had a lot of hope for. Ultimately proved wrong but not for his lack of quality but application.
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