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The not confirmed, it's really only a rumour transfer thread ;Summer 2012
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Lucas has had more than one good Season?
Some would argue a season and a half...
Pot Noodle or The Nation's Noodle?
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I was doing a bit of trolling earlier on I admit, apologies, I do however believe Skrtel's value everything taking into consideration is at around £8M. Perhaps £10M. NOT £20M though.
That's not the same as saying that is what he'd eventually sell for, the 'realistic' figures - or that we SHOULD sell at those figures if a bid ticked in. I wouldn't sell any of Skrtel or Agger given the choice pre Season, unless a major offer came in and they'd want to leave.
So if Citeh comes around with £20M and Skrtel wants away we'd be silly not to accept it really, hands down. I would be well amazed if that indeed turned out to be the scenario though, as I can't believe anyone would pay that kind of money for him. That's an opinion, disagree if you like.
Just a little observation. When Agger aired his frustrations during Roy's tenure and there were talks about him wanting away if he was destined for the bench I remember these boards being red hot with all sorts of 'fuck off you unfaithful etc etc'.
Here's a case of a player seemingly walking out the door after his best Season ever on the back of loads of half decent to mediocre ones. And no-one, well apart from Sunny, has seemingly questioned this apparent 'turn of head' from a loyalty aspect. Strange.
NB The example of a cheaper option for 2nd/3rd choice in Kjaer was well nothing but that. An example.
That's not the same as saying that is what he'd eventually sell for, the 'realistic' figures - or that we SHOULD sell at those figures if a bid ticked in. I wouldn't sell any of Skrtel or Agger given the choice pre Season, unless a major offer came in and they'd want to leave.
So if Citeh comes around with £20M and Skrtel wants away we'd be silly not to accept it really, hands down. I would be well amazed if that indeed turned out to be the scenario though, as I can't believe anyone would pay that kind of money for him. That's an opinion, disagree if you like.
Just a little observation. When Agger aired his frustrations during Roy's tenure and there were talks about him wanting away if he was destined for the bench I remember these boards being red hot with all sorts of 'fuck off you unfaithful etc etc'.
Here's a case of a player seemingly walking out the door after his best Season ever on the back of loads of half decent to mediocre ones. And no-one, well apart from Sunny, has seemingly questioned this apparent 'turn of head' from a loyalty aspect. Strange.
NB The example of a cheaper option for 2nd/3rd choice in Kjaer was well nothing but that. An example.
OH NO NOT TROLLING OR TALKING SHIT NOW NO !
He won't though. If he keeps up last seasons form, Kompany and Skrtel would be the best defence in the league for the next 3-4 years, and the perfect foundation for City to defend their title.
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And I'd probably agree mate. Hope he comes back as strong as he looked prior to the injury.
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Skrtel of yesteryear would struggle to make their bench. It's one great Season Dmish, and why I don't think there's truth in the quoted figures is Citeh indeed even interested.
If I were in Mancini's shoes there'd be more than a dozen of central defenders I'd spunk big money on before Skrtel. Anyways lets see what happens next. He's not gone yet after all.
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After we've spend so many years together online on here Themn I'm disappointed if you don't know by now that I as many others know how to ignite a little fire on here.
And to be honest it annoyed me a bit the complete lack of realism in some of the posts on here.
"£25-£30M for Skrtel at least or not interested" etc. Pretty daft and needed my response.
If you are seriously telling me that you believe Martin Skrtel is only worth 7-8 million pounds, then you are telling me that you are fucking nuts.
If Dimish, if.
Look, objectively £20m is a good price for any defender. Having said that, this is City we're dealing with who paid £22m for Lescott and £16m for Kolarov. We should start with quoting £25m with them.
But the larger point isn't really about the fee Skrtel might generate, but the fact that we will for the nth transfer window in a row, be selling one of our best players in a key position. I know there's a theory that you should sell your players when you receive an unbeatable offer for them, and there are people on this site who subscribe to that, but there's one fundamental flaw in that theory. It's based on an assumption that your decision-making in getting replacements or using the proceeds of that sale is going to be perfect. That's never the case. I can bet there's empirical evidence to show that even the best run of clubs fuck up at least once every second transfer window. With us, recent history shows that the chances of fucking up are astronomical.
30 million for Alonso - was it a good price? Objectively, yes. Our use of proceeds - 20 million on Aquilani.
50 millon for Torres - great price. Proceeds used to spunk 35 million on Carroll, who hasn't replicated a fifth of Torres' productivity for us yet.
20 million on Mascherano - good price for a DM. Spunked on Poulsen, Konchesky and Meireles.
15 million on Meireles - great price for a 28 year not-so-brilliant midfielder. Spunked 16 million on Henderson.
Theoretically, there is always value to be found in the market, and god knows that we need to be better at doing that. The point however is that finding replacements is ALWAYS difficult. The old adage that you don't sell your best players isn't thus without basis. It's just a fucking fact. You don't. Especially, when they play in positions as important as central defence. Not only does it leave you with looking to find a replacement, but re-tooling in a critical area of the pitch. Skrtel and Agger formed one of the best partnerships in the league last season, and it took us some 5 years of them being together at the club to get that. Now even if we manage to get a good damn player as a replacement for Skrtel, there's no guarantee he'll slot right next to Agger or Coates, and give us as solid a central defensive partnership as we had last season. It doesn't happen, especially when you have so many other areas of the squad to rebuild, and it's why we should resist any offers from City for Skrtel.
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Good post. I don't agree however with regards to Skrtel being a cornerstone in the current team especially not with a new manager with a new approach coming in.
I was all for selling Meireles especially at that prize. I did NOT want to sell either of Masher, Alonso or Torres.
Skrtel is somewhere in between for me. I'd sell him at the right/inflated prize but certainly wouldn't mind him staying despite not being sure whether he'd actually be a starter under Rodgers.
I really believe some of you are talking him up to something he isn't that's all. I don't have the right answer I'm only judging him by what I've seen and he's not a vital irreplaceable character in my optic. I hold him in about same steed as I do Lucas. Started out poorly then got much better. Still not a top top player we'd be silly to sell for crazy money. For me there's five + 1 of those players in the team right now. The spine if you like.
Reina
Agger
Johnson
Gerrard
Suarez
Carroll (because I really believe in this lad)
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Do you reckon Skrtel is one of the best defenders in the world Themn?
I don't. That's all. Only the best should in theory attract top fees. And with only two years left of his contract nearing in on 30 I don't think that's much flawed. I've even agreed to up my evaluation to £10M, that's kind.
*Still shouldn't sell at that prize unless of course he wants out.
Then it's goodbye.
You're off your barnet
Answer me this:
Why aren't Manchester City, with all their biliions and a Premier League title in their portfolio, trying to buy Daniel Agger ?
Now, just so you know, I am a huge fan of Agger.
Therefore, I'm not trying to set fire to your Longship.
But, if Skrtel isn't worth silly money, what does that say about your boy ?
Now I don't think that this has something to do with Skrtel being the better footballer than Agger. Poor Daniel is just far too injury-prone.
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Is City's interest in Skrtel confirmed? I'll answer if it indeed proves to be.
There were a piece prior to the Euros about Mancini wanting Coloccini or Agger. Dont know if thats true either.
*gets back into comfy-ish longboat for now*
Kristian, this is nonsense. A defender doesn't have to be one of the best in the world to be worth more than 8, or even 10, million (especially if the club which wants him is Moneychester City) and describing a player aged 27 as "nearing 30" is hopelessly slanted.
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