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messi isn't going to be the best of all time until he tears shit up at the world cup, it's the same reason why I don't class best as the best of all time.
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[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=45126.msg1322830#msg1322830 date=1303941171]
Jesus, why bother DB?
Seriously, you're on a Liverpool website. Is it really that strange that Liverpool's greatest player is in the selection and some other players that nobody thinks is the greatest ever aren't?
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Funny how it was brought in like the 2nd post earlier and nobody said a word.
Considering Pelle and Eusebio both rate Di Stefano as the greatest ever surely he deserves a spot in there.
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The list is obviously a bit of a laugh, and Kenny is a much better player than you give him credit for.
The real Becks should be on that list too.
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Jesus, why bother DB?
Seriously, you're on a Liverpool website. Is it really that strange that Liverpool's greatest player is in the selection and some other players that nobody thinks is the greatest ever aren't?
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Funny how it was brought in like the 2nd post earlier and nobody said a word.
Considering Pelle and Eusebio both rate Di Stefano as the greatest ever surely he deserves a spot in there.
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The list is obviously a bit of a laugh, and Kenny is a much better player than you give him credit for.
The real Becks should be on that list too.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=45126.msg1322909#msg1322909 date=1303958508]
Messi needs a semi-competent manager and a balanced side to do well on the international stage. There is only so much one player can do. Mardaonna would have also struggled in the awful setup they've had in recent years.
I think it's very difficult to compare players from different eras. I look at clips from the 60's, 70's and even 80's and the football is like a joke. With the amount of time and space players were afforded back then, the Messi of today would score a 100 a season, nevermind 50 odd.
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Absolutely.
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...which is why, if we're going to try and make such comparisons at all, it needs to be on an "all other things being equal" basis (obv.unrealisable, but no more so than any other aspect of this whole question) so that what's being compared is each individual player's skill set as it stacks up against the others. Which, in turn, is why Best is the only sensible choice and, I suspect, always will be.
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Messi needs a semi-competent manager and a balanced side to do well on the international stage. There is only so much one player can do. Mardaonna would have also struggled in the awful setup they've had in recent years.
I think it's very difficult to compare players from different eras. I look at clips from the 60's, 70's and even 80's and the football is like a joke. With the amount of time and space players were afforded back then, the Messi of today would score a 100 a season, nevermind 50 odd.
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Absolutely.
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...which is why, if we're going to try and make such comparisons at all, it needs to be on an "all other things being equal" basis (obv.unrealisable, but no more so than any other aspect of this whole question) so that what's being compared is each individual player's skill set as it stacks up against the others. Which, in turn, is why Best is the only sensible choice and, I suspect, always will be.
I saw a Maradona youtube compilation the other day. It was unbelievable. When you see the way defenders attacked him there's no way someone like Ronaldo or Messi would have lasted a whole match. Maradona didn't roll on the floor for 5 minutes, ask for a yellow card or something like that, he just kept playing.
I look if I can find it.
Edit: Watch it and tell me he's not the greatest of all time. About 3 min into video, can anyone see Ronaldo or Messi do that?
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I look if I can find it.
Edit: Watch it and tell me he's not the greatest of all time. About 3 min into video, can anyone see Ronaldo or Messi do that?
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He's not the greatest of all time. Best's right foot was better, he was better in the air, he routinely dealt with tougher challenges than those (defenders got away with murder then compared with today) and he'd go and win the ball back himself when he lost it.
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He's not the greatest of all time. Best's right foot was better, he was better in the air, he routinely dealt with tougher challenges than those (defenders got away with murder then compared with today) and he'd go and win the ball back himself when he lost it.
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Fair enough. I'm too young to remember Best to be honest.
He's not the greatest of all time. Best's right foot was better, he was better in the air, he routinely dealt with tougher challenges than those (defenders got away with murder then compared with today) and he'd go and win the ball back himself when he lost it.
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Fair enough. I'm too young to remember Best to be honest.
You do realise Best played for Northern Ireland Spidey?
If Giggs or Bale can't win the world cup, what hope does George have?
If Giggs or Bale can't win the world cup, what hope does George have?
For me its Messi, I thought it would be decades before somebody overtook Zidane but Messi is the best player in the world for probably 4 years already and hes only 23.
Im too young to have seen Best Pele or Maradonna live but honestly I think Messi would have have come out on top in any era hes got so much in his locker, pace, dribbling, balance to match Best or Maradonna, he scores as many as any striker in the game and his vision and awareness are as good as anything Zidane was capable of. Sure he might not be as two footed as Best or as powerful an athlete as Pele but he has more to his game than any other player Ive ever seen.
People who try to detract from Messi claim he plays in the best team of his era (ditto Peles Brazil 1970 side) that he hasnt done it all at international level (see George Bests international medal collection) or make some claim about players in bygone eras having it tougher but football now is a faster more athletic more physically demanding game than the era of Maradonna, and of the Pele/Best era might have taken more of a kicking but their bodies were not pushed week week out to the demands that Messi is.
The thing people seem to forget is that your comparing some players 15/20 year careers against a guy who has been a first team regular for maybe 5 years and he already leaves most of them in his wake. He is 23 now, in the last 3 years he has played 154 games scoring 137 times in the process, every weeks hes double sometimes triple marked sometimes kicked out of games but he pretty much always manages to score, no matter who the opposition is and they aint tap ins either. In his 10 years at Utd George Best scored 179 times for the club, Messi has got 179 for Barca as of last night, he will probably get 60 goals by the time season is over, who else can live with that level of performance?
Im too young to have seen Best Pele or Maradonna live but honestly I think Messi would have have come out on top in any era hes got so much in his locker, pace, dribbling, balance to match Best or Maradonna, he scores as many as any striker in the game and his vision and awareness are as good as anything Zidane was capable of. Sure he might not be as two footed as Best or as powerful an athlete as Pele but he has more to his game than any other player Ive ever seen.
People who try to detract from Messi claim he plays in the best team of his era (ditto Peles Brazil 1970 side) that he hasnt done it all at international level (see George Bests international medal collection) or make some claim about players in bygone eras having it tougher but football now is a faster more athletic more physically demanding game than the era of Maradonna, and of the Pele/Best era might have taken more of a kicking but their bodies were not pushed week week out to the demands that Messi is.
The thing people seem to forget is that your comparing some players 15/20 year careers against a guy who has been a first team regular for maybe 5 years and he already leaves most of them in his wake. He is 23 now, in the last 3 years he has played 154 games scoring 137 times in the process, every weeks hes double sometimes triple marked sometimes kicked out of games but he pretty much always manages to score, no matter who the opposition is and they aint tap ins either. In his 10 years at Utd George Best scored 179 times for the club, Messi has got 179 for Barca as of last night, he will probably get 60 goals by the time season is over, who else can live with that level of performance?
Maradona went to Napoli a mid-level team in Italy and single-handedly won them the league, TWICE.
Can you give me an example of another player doing the same thing?
Can you imagine Messi going to Newcastle and win them the league?
Napoli's league results before Maradona joined and after: (16 teams in the serie A)
78/79 - 6th
79/80 - 10th
80/81 - 3rd
81/82 - 4th
82/83 - 9th
83/84 - 11th
Maradona joined Napoli in the 84/85 season. That season they finished 8th.
85/86 - third
86/87 - Champions (they've never won it before)
87/88 - 2nd
88/89 - 2nd
89/90 - Champions
Can you give me an example of another player doing the same thing?
Can you imagine Messi going to Newcastle and win them the league?
Napoli's league results before Maradona joined and after: (16 teams in the serie A)
78/79 - 6th
79/80 - 10th
80/81 - 3rd
81/82 - 4th
82/83 - 9th
83/84 - 11th
Maradona joined Napoli in the 84/85 season. That season they finished 8th.
85/86 - third
86/87 - Champions (they've never won it before)
87/88 - 2nd
88/89 - 2nd
89/90 - Champions
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For me its Messi, I thought it would be decades before somebody overtook Zidane but Messi is the best player in the world for probably 4 years already and hes only 23.
Im too young to have seen Best Pele or Maradonna live but honestly I think Messi would have have come out on top in any era hes got so much in his locker, pace, dribbling, balance to match Best or Maradonna, he scores as many as any striker in the game and his vision and awareness are as good as anything Zidane was capable of. Sure he might not be as two footed as Best or as powerful an athlete as Pele but he has more to his game than any other player Ive ever seen.
People who try to detract from Messi claim he plays in the best team of his era (ditto Peles Brazil 1970 side) that he hasnt done it all at international level (see George Bests international medal collection) or make some claim about players in bygone eras having it tougher but football now is a faster more athletic more physically demanding game than the era of Maradonna, and of the Pele/Best era might have taken more of a kicking but their bodies were not pushed week week out to the demands that Messi is.
The thing people seem to forget is that your comparing some players 15/20 year careers against a guy who has been a first team regular for maybe 5 years and he already leaves most of them in his wake. He is 23 now, in the last 3 years he has played 154 games scoring 137 times in the process, every weeks hes double sometimes triple marked sometimes kicked out of games but he pretty much always manages to score, no matter who the opposition is and they aint tap ins either. In his 10 years at Utd George Best scored 179 times for the club, Messi has got 179 for Barca as of last night, he will probably get 60 goals by the time season is over, who else can live with that level of performance?
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Couple of things Red Star - and by no means do I sugget that Messi isn't a superstar.
However, no way on this earth is Messi a superior dribbler or have more pace than Best. As for balance - Messi isn't even in the same league. This dates me - and I've told it before - but as I said there was something about Best in his movement that screamed inhuman. Playing against Leeds I watched him chase a ball as it sailed over his head, he went up in a scissors kick about 3 foot off the ground and sent it back the opposite direction. He then turned while still in the air, landed running in the opposite direction and took the ball down on his left before it touched the turf. Not a word of a lie - the whole crowd went utterly silent (including the Leeds supporters) and the hair on your neck just stood up with the same thought; that's not human.
As for international career; Best was never going to win anything with his country but have a look at some clips from those games. He generally had 3 or 4 players on him and he still gave them trouble. Nobody is going to beat 11 players on their own - but George Best would come closer to it than anyone else in history IMO. The reason is that he could do everything - Messi is exceptional but you will never see him taking plaudits as one of the great tacklers; Best did regularly.
One of the reasons I love Stevie so much and think he's now the greatest player in our history is because he can go out there and tackle as well as Mascherano, drive as well as Kaka at his best, pass better than Alonso and strike the ball as well as Souness. On top of that he can play AM, CM, DM, RM, RB, LB, LM and do it superbly. The only player I've seen who can do that before is Best and he could do it just a little bit better IMO. I must admit I never saw him play fullback but he had all the attributes needed to do so.
Check the clip of Maradonna posted by Holle. Those tackles were a regular occurence for Best and he rode most of them and kept possession at the same time.
For me its Messi, I thought it would be decades before somebody overtook Zidane but Messi is the best player in the world for probably 4 years already and hes only 23.
Im too young to have seen Best Pele or Maradonna live but honestly I think Messi would have have come out on top in any era hes got so much in his locker, pace, dribbling, balance to match Best or Maradonna, he scores as many as any striker in the game and his vision and awareness are as good as anything Zidane was capable of. Sure he might not be as two footed as Best or as powerful an athlete as Pele but he has more to his game than any other player Ive ever seen.
People who try to detract from Messi claim he plays in the best team of his era (ditto Peles Brazil 1970 side) that he hasnt done it all at international level (see George Bests international medal collection) or make some claim about players in bygone eras having it tougher but football now is a faster more athletic more physically demanding game than the era of Maradonna, and of the Pele/Best era might have taken more of a kicking but their bodies were not pushed week week out to the demands that Messi is.
The thing people seem to forget is that your comparing some players 15/20 year careers against a guy who has been a first team regular for maybe 5 years and he already leaves most of them in his wake. He is 23 now, in the last 3 years he has played 154 games scoring 137 times in the process, every weeks hes double sometimes triple marked sometimes kicked out of games but he pretty much always manages to score, no matter who the opposition is and they aint tap ins either. In his 10 years at Utd George Best scored 179 times for the club, Messi has got 179 for Barca as of last night, he will probably get 60 goals by the time season is over, who else can live with that level of performance?
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Couple of things Red Star - and by no means do I sugget that Messi isn't a superstar.
However, no way on this earth is Messi a superior dribbler or have more pace than Best. As for balance - Messi isn't even in the same league. This dates me - and I've told it before - but as I said there was something about Best in his movement that screamed inhuman. Playing against Leeds I watched him chase a ball as it sailed over his head, he went up in a scissors kick about 3 foot off the ground and sent it back the opposite direction. He then turned while still in the air, landed running in the opposite direction and took the ball down on his left before it touched the turf. Not a word of a lie - the whole crowd went utterly silent (including the Leeds supporters) and the hair on your neck just stood up with the same thought; that's not human.
As for international career; Best was never going to win anything with his country but have a look at some clips from those games. He generally had 3 or 4 players on him and he still gave them trouble. Nobody is going to beat 11 players on their own - but George Best would come closer to it than anyone else in history IMO. The reason is that he could do everything - Messi is exceptional but you will never see him taking plaudits as one of the great tacklers; Best did regularly.
One of the reasons I love Stevie so much and think he's now the greatest player in our history is because he can go out there and tackle as well as Mascherano, drive as well as Kaka at his best, pass better than Alonso and strike the ball as well as Souness. On top of that he can play AM, CM, DM, RM, RB, LB, LM and do it superbly. The only player I've seen who can do that before is Best and he could do it just a little bit better IMO. I must admit I never saw him play fullback but he had all the attributes needed to do so.
Check the clip of Maradonna posted by Holle. Those tackles were a regular occurence for Best and he rode most of them and kept possession at the same time.
A few more things that need to be taken into consideration is that during the era of Best et al they didn't have the top medical staff looking after them, the teams were lacking in knowledge of what is the ideal diet for athletes, they were playing on pitches which weren't maintained to the standards modern pitches are, they played with balls that gained weight when it rained while wearing boots that also became heavier while sodden. All while earning five quid a week.
I could imagine the crying and moaning that today's top players would do if you forced them to play under those conditions.
I could imagine the crying and moaning that today's top players would do if you forced them to play under those conditions.
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A few more things that need to be taken into consideration is that during the era of Best et al they didn't have the top medical staff looking after them, the teams were lacking in knowledge of what is the ideal diet for athletes, they were playing on pitches which weren't maintained to the standards modern pitches are, they played with balls that gained weight when it rained while wearing boots that also became heavier while sodden. All while earning five quid a week.
I could imagine the crying and moaning that today's top players would do if you forced them to play under those conditions.
[/quote]Thats all very true.
Zidane and Maradona are still well better.
A few more things that need to be taken into consideration is that during the era of Best et al they didn't have the top medical staff looking after them, the teams were lacking in knowledge of what is the ideal diet for athletes, they were playing on pitches which weren't maintained to the standards modern pitches are, they played with balls that gained weight when it rained while wearing boots that also became heavier while sodden. All while earning five quid a week.
I could imagine the crying and moaning that today's top players would do if you forced them to play under those conditions.
[/quote]Thats all very true.
Zidane and Maradona are still well better.
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A few more things that need to be taken into consideration is that during the era of Best et al they didn't have the top medical staff looking after them, the teams were lacking in knowledge of what is the ideal diet for athletes, they were playing on pitches which weren't maintained to the standards modern pitches are, they played with balls that gained weight when it rained while wearing boots that also became heavier while sodden. All while earning five quid a week.
I could imagine the crying and moaning that today's top players would do if you forced them to play under those conditions.
[/quote]Thats all very true.
Zidane and Maradona are still well better.
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;D
With theories abounding that there are something like 14 trillion alternate realities I guess the chances are that, in one of them, Maradonna and Zidane are the best in history. Just not in this reality.
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A few more things that need to be taken into consideration is that during the era of Best et al they didn't have the top medical staff looking after them, the teams were lacking in knowledge of what is the ideal diet for athletes, they were playing on pitches which weren't maintained to the standards modern pitches are, they played with balls that gained weight when it rained while wearing boots that also became heavier while sodden. All while earning five quid a week.
I could imagine the crying and moaning that today's top players would do if you forced them to play under those conditions.
[/quote]Thats all very true.
Zidane and Maradona are still well better.
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With theories abounding that there are something like 14 trillion alternate realities I guess the chances are that, in one of them, Maradonna and Zidane are the best in history. Just not in this reality.
It is Best for me, but loved that Maradonna clip, astounding stuff.
Some hilarity in the scene where he and all the players around him had identikit Fellanni hair dos.
Some hilarity in the scene where he and all the players around him had identikit Fellanni hair dos.
I have voted for Bale. I have voted for Bale because he is shit really and licks the shitty twats of sheep. An voting for him highlights that FACT.
The bestest is not Messi cos he's a boring twat.
Maradona is bestest cos he does loads of beak, has a big fuck off beard an was boss at footie.
The bestest is not Messi cos he's a boring twat.
Maradona is bestest cos he does loads of beak, has a big fuck off beard an was boss at footie.
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It is Best for me, but loved that Maradonna clip, astounding stuff.
Some hilarity in the scene where he and all the players around him had identikit Fellanni hair dos.
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Like others said what is so impressive with Maradona is his balance and ability to ride a tackle. The modern day pussies would not bother with that
Diego was the best
It is Best for me, but loved that Maradonna clip, astounding stuff.
Some hilarity in the scene where he and all the players around him had identikit Fellanni hair dos.
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Like others said what is so impressive with Maradona is his balance and ability to ride a tackle. The modern day pussies would not bother with that
Diego was the best
Yes Messi is a bit straight laced. I voted for Maradona cos I believe to be a real genius it helps to be a bit mentally ill too!
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I saw a Maradona youtube compilation the other day. It was unbelievable. When you see the way defenders attacked him there's no way someone like Ronaldo or Messi would have lasted a whole match. Maradona didn't roll on the floor for 5 minutes, ask for a yellow card or something like that, he just kept playing.
I look if I can find it.
Edit: Watch it and tell me he's not the greatest of all time. About 3 min into video, can anyone see Ronaldo or Messi do that?
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I can still see Messi being supremely effective without the "protection". Players go for him full blooded all the time, he bounces off the big guys, and never really critically loses his balance or goes down without being bludgeoned to the floor.
There are obviously times when he voluntarily goes down easily, but thats more because of the reward for it in the modern game. With his attitude, dont think the batterings would particularly hurt him mentally either.
I saw a Maradona youtube compilation the other day. It was unbelievable. When you see the way defenders attacked him there's no way someone like Ronaldo or Messi would have lasted a whole match. Maradona didn't roll on the floor for 5 minutes, ask for a yellow card or something like that, he just kept playing.
I look if I can find it.
Edit: Watch it and tell me he's not the greatest of all time. About 3 min into video, can anyone see Ronaldo or Messi do that?
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I can still see Messi being supremely effective without the "protection". Players go for him full blooded all the time, he bounces off the big guys, and never really critically loses his balance or goes down without being bludgeoned to the floor.
There are obviously times when he voluntarily goes down easily, but thats more because of the reward for it in the modern game. With his attitude, dont think the batterings would particularly hurt him mentally either.
It's a bit misleading though isn't it.... weren't they just a wall breaking up after a free kick?
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It's a bit misleading though isn't it.... weren't they just a wall breaking up after a free kick?
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That's the first time I've heard that theory. Dunno, but I wouldn't assume that would be a natural formation from the break-down of a wall.
It's a bit misleading though isn't it.... weren't they just a wall breaking up after a free kick?
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That's the first time I've heard that theory. Dunno, but I wouldn't assume that would be a natural formation from the break-down of a wall.
Zidane for me.
I think however Messi will become the bestest everest player ever cos he is simply flipping amazing. There is an argument (most by mancs weirdly) that Ronaldo (greasy) is better than Messi cos Ronaldo did it in England and Spain, and that Messi would not be able to do it here, which I think is pants cos Messi does have the power, balance, speed, guile and guts to play in the prem and be flipping amazing.
I loved how he got the one two for the second goal, and whoever it was didnt even pass it to him just stopped the ball and let him pick it up and run past the defence and slot is slowly past one of the best keepers in the world.
Someone commented earlier re Pele being the stand out player in the best team ever (Brazil 1970), and thats great but I wasnt born then I didnt see that shizzle and I can accept they were amazing due to popular opinion. Having said that, Messi is most likely the stand out player in the best club team over the past two decades, a club team that has produced the spine of a world cup and European cup winning team. Call em a bunch of tippy tappy bellends whatever you want, but you have to accept they are amazing.
RE the argument around different eras etc, it also needs to be taken into consideration that players are generally better now than then. So Pele, Eusabio at the top of their game playing the world cups etc would have played a team of almost semi pros in a world cup or international as the majority of countries were not as advanced in their footballing knowledge as some of the stronger nations. Its a different ball game now.
I think however Messi will become the bestest everest player ever cos he is simply flipping amazing. There is an argument (most by mancs weirdly) that Ronaldo (greasy) is better than Messi cos Ronaldo did it in England and Spain, and that Messi would not be able to do it here, which I think is pants cos Messi does have the power, balance, speed, guile and guts to play in the prem and be flipping amazing.
I loved how he got the one two for the second goal, and whoever it was didnt even pass it to him just stopped the ball and let him pick it up and run past the defence and slot is slowly past one of the best keepers in the world.
Someone commented earlier re Pele being the stand out player in the best team ever (Brazil 1970), and thats great but I wasnt born then I didnt see that shizzle and I can accept they were amazing due to popular opinion. Having said that, Messi is most likely the stand out player in the best club team over the past two decades, a club team that has produced the spine of a world cup and European cup winning team. Call em a bunch of tippy tappy bellends whatever you want, but you have to accept they are amazing.
RE the argument around different eras etc, it also needs to be taken into consideration that players are generally better now than then. So Pele, Eusabio at the top of their game playing the world cups etc would have played a team of almost semi pros in a world cup or international as the majority of countries were not as advanced in their footballing knowledge as some of the stronger nations. Its a different ball game now.
The Belgian kit was ace.
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It's a bit misleading though isn't it.... weren't they just a wall breaking up after a free kick?
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That's the first time I've heard that theory. Dunno, but I wouldn't assume that would be a natural formation from the break-down of a wall.
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I've no idea to be honest. Remember hearing it somewhere, can't remember where. I didn't see the game though so no idea!
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It's a bit misleading though isn't it.... weren't they just a wall breaking up after a free kick?
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That's the first time I've heard that theory. Dunno, but I wouldn't assume that would be a natural formation from the break-down of a wall.
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I've no idea to be honest. Remember hearing it somewhere, can't remember where. I didn't see the game though so no idea!
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A few more things that need to be taken into consideration is that during the era of Best et al they didn't have the top medical staff looking after them, the teams were lacking in knowledge of what is the ideal diet for athletes, they were playing on pitches which weren't maintained to the standards modern pitches are, they played with balls that gained weight when it rained while wearing boots that also became heavier while sodden. All while earning five quid a week.
I could imagine the crying and moaning that today's top players would do if you forced them to play under those conditions.
[/quote]Thats all very true.
Zidane and Maradona are still well better.
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;D
With theories abounding that there are something like 14 trillion alternate realities I guess the chances are that, in one of them, Maradonna and Zidane are the best in history. Just not in this reality.
[/quote]Pah. Youre man played for 12 years in a United team that boasted Charlton, Law, Stiles, Stepney etc and only won 3 trophies in his ENTIRE CAREER.
He could only be arsed to pull on his countries jersey 30 odd times and was so disinterested that he couldnt even drag them to a tournament let alone perform in one. Fucking Norman Whiteside made more of an impact in the global game.
Zidane and Maradona dominated thier leagues for years and almost singlehandedly won world cups and consistently won titles.
George Best is about akin to Nani.
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A few more things that need to be taken into consideration is that during the era of Best et al they didn't have the top medical staff looking after them, the teams were lacking in knowledge of what is the ideal diet for athletes, they were playing on pitches which weren't maintained to the standards modern pitches are, they played with balls that gained weight when it rained while wearing boots that also became heavier while sodden. All while earning five quid a week.
I could imagine the crying and moaning that today's top players would do if you forced them to play under those conditions.
[/quote]Thats all very true.
Zidane and Maradona are still well better.
[/quote]
;D
With theories abounding that there are something like 14 trillion alternate realities I guess the chances are that, in one of them, Maradonna and Zidane are the best in history. Just not in this reality.
[/quote]Pah. Youre man played for 12 years in a United team that boasted Charlton, Law, Stiles, Stepney etc and only won 3 trophies in his ENTIRE CAREER.
He could only be arsed to pull on his countries jersey 30 odd times and was so disinterested that he couldnt even drag them to a tournament let alone perform in one. Fucking Norman Whiteside made more of an impact in the global game.
Zidane and Maradona dominated thier leagues for years and almost singlehandedly won world cups and consistently won titles.
George Best is about akin to Nani.
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[quote author=athensruairi link=topic=45126.msg1323164#msg1323164 date=1303992209]
A few more things that need to be taken into consideration is that during the era of Best et al they didn't have the top medical staff looking after them, the teams were lacking in knowledge of what is the ideal diet for athletes, they were playing on pitches which weren't maintained to the standards modern pitches are, they played with balls that gained weight when it rained while wearing boots that also became heavier while sodden. All while earning five quid a week.
I could imagine the crying and moaning that today's top players would do if you forced them to play under those conditions.
[/quote]Thats all very true.
Zidane and Maradona are still well better.
[/quote]
;D
With theories abounding that there are something like 14 trillion alternate realities I guess the chances are that, in one of them, Maradonna and Zidane are the best in history. Just not in this reality.
[/quote]Pah. Youre man played for 12 years in a United team that boasted Charlton, Law, Stiles, Stepney etc and only won 3 trophies in his ENTIRE CAREER.
He could only be arsed to pull on his countries jersey 30 odd times and was so disinterested that he couldnt even drag them to a tournament let alone perform in one. Fucking Norman Whiteside made more of an impact in the global game.
Zidane and Maradona dominated thier leagues for years and almost singlehandedly won world cups and consistently won titles.
George Best is about akin to Nani.
[/quote]
What a lot of pish.
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45126.msg1323165#msg1323165 date=1303992381]
[quote author=athensruairi link=topic=45126.msg1323164#msg1323164 date=1303992209]
A few more things that need to be taken into consideration is that during the era of Best et al they didn't have the top medical staff looking after them, the teams were lacking in knowledge of what is the ideal diet for athletes, they were playing on pitches which weren't maintained to the standards modern pitches are, they played with balls that gained weight when it rained while wearing boots that also became heavier while sodden. All while earning five quid a week.
I could imagine the crying and moaning that today's top players would do if you forced them to play under those conditions.
[/quote]Thats all very true.
Zidane and Maradona are still well better.
[/quote]
;D
With theories abounding that there are something like 14 trillion alternate realities I guess the chances are that, in one of them, Maradonna and Zidane are the best in history. Just not in this reality.
[/quote]Pah. Youre man played for 12 years in a United team that boasted Charlton, Law, Stiles, Stepney etc and only won 3 trophies in his ENTIRE CAREER.
He could only be arsed to pull on his countries jersey 30 odd times and was so disinterested that he couldnt even drag them to a tournament let alone perform in one. Fucking Norman Whiteside made more of an impact in the global game.
Zidane and Maradona dominated thier leagues for years and almost singlehandedly won world cups and consistently won titles.
George Best is about akin to Nani.
[/quote]
What a lot of pish.
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[quote author=athensruairi link=topic=45126.msg1323164#msg1323164 date=1303992209]
A few more things that need to be taken into consideration is that during the era of Best et al they didn't have the top medical staff looking after them, the teams were lacking in knowledge of what is the ideal diet for athletes, they were playing on pitches which weren't maintained to the standards modern pitches are, they played with balls that gained weight when it rained while wearing boots that also became heavier while sodden. All while earning five quid a week.
I could imagine the crying and moaning that today's top players would do if you forced them to play under those conditions.
[/quote]Thats all very true.
Zidane and Maradona are still well better.
[/quote]
;D
With theories abounding that there are something like 14 trillion alternate realities I guess the chances are that, in one of them, Maradonna and Zidane are the best in history. Just not in this reality.
[/quote]Pah. Youre man played for 12 years in a United team that boasted Charlton, Law, Stiles, Stepney etc and only won 3 trophies in his ENTIRE CAREER.
He could only be arsed to pull on his countries jersey 30 odd times and was so disinterested that he couldnt even drag them to a tournament let alone perform in one. Fucking Norman Whiteside made more of an impact in the global game.
Zidane and Maradona dominated thier leagues for years and almost singlehandedly won world cups and consistently won titles.
George Best is about akin to Nani.
[/quote]
What a lot of pish.
[/quote]Theres no theory or opinion in my post Doc. Its fact after fact.
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[quote author=athensruairi link=topic=45126.msg1323164#msg1323164 date=1303992209]
A few more things that need to be taken into consideration is that during the era of Best et al they didn't have the top medical staff looking after them, the teams were lacking in knowledge of what is the ideal diet for athletes, they were playing on pitches which weren't maintained to the standards modern pitches are, they played with balls that gained weight when it rained while wearing boots that also became heavier while sodden. All while earning five quid a week.
I could imagine the crying and moaning that today's top players would do if you forced them to play under those conditions.
[/quote]Thats all very true.
Zidane and Maradona are still well better.
[/quote]
;D
With theories abounding that there are something like 14 trillion alternate realities I guess the chances are that, in one of them, Maradonna and Zidane are the best in history. Just not in this reality.
[/quote]Pah. Youre man played for 12 years in a United team that boasted Charlton, Law, Stiles, Stepney etc and only won 3 trophies in his ENTIRE CAREER.
He could only be arsed to pull on his countries jersey 30 odd times and was so disinterested that he couldnt even drag them to a tournament let alone perform in one. Fucking Norman Whiteside made more of an impact in the global game.
Zidane and Maradona dominated thier leagues for years and almost singlehandedly won world cups and consistently won titles.
George Best is about akin to Nani.
[/quote]
What a lot of pish.
[/quote]Theres no theory or opinion in my post Doc. Its fact after fact.
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[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=45126.msg1323167#msg1323167 date=1303992585]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45126.msg1323165#msg1323165 date=1303992381]
[quote author=athensruairi link=topic=45126.msg1323164#msg1323164 date=1303992209]
A few more things that need to be taken into consideration is that during the era of Best et al they didn't have the top medical staff looking after them, the teams were lacking in knowledge of what is the ideal diet for athletes, they were playing on pitches which weren't maintained to the standards modern pitches are, they played with balls that gained weight when it rained while wearing boots that also became heavier while sodden. All while earning five quid a week.
I could imagine the crying and moaning that today's top players would do if you forced them to play under those conditions.
[/quote]Thats all very true.
Zidane and Maradona are still well better.
[/quote]
;D
With theories abounding that there are something like 14 trillion alternate realities I guess the chances are that, in one of them, Maradonna and Zidane are the best in history. Just not in this reality.
[/quote]Pah. Youre man played for 12 years in a United team that boasted Charlton, Law, Stiles, Stepney etc and only won 3 trophies in his ENTIRE CAREER.
He could only be arsed to pull on his countries jersey 30 odd times and was so disinterested that he couldnt even drag them to a tournament let alone perform in one. Fucking Norman Whiteside made more of an impact in the global game.
Zidane and Maradona dominated thier leagues for years and almost singlehandedly won world cups and consistently won titles.
George Best is about akin to Nani.
[/quote]
What a lot of pish.
[/quote]Theres no theory or opinion in my post Doc. Its fact after fact.
[/quote]
'Akin to Nani'. Risible bollocks.
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[quote author=Wizardry link=topic=45126.msg1323167#msg1323167 date=1303992585]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=45126.msg1323165#msg1323165 date=1303992381]
[quote author=athensruairi link=topic=45126.msg1323164#msg1323164 date=1303992209]
A few more things that need to be taken into consideration is that during the era of Best et al they didn't have the top medical staff looking after them, the teams were lacking in knowledge of what is the ideal diet for athletes, they were playing on pitches which weren't maintained to the standards modern pitches are, they played with balls that gained weight when it rained while wearing boots that also became heavier while sodden. All while earning five quid a week.
I could imagine the crying and moaning that today's top players would do if you forced them to play under those conditions.
[/quote]Thats all very true.
Zidane and Maradona are still well better.
[/quote]
;D
With theories abounding that there are something like 14 trillion alternate realities I guess the chances are that, in one of them, Maradonna and Zidane are the best in history. Just not in this reality.
[/quote]Pah. Youre man played for 12 years in a United team that boasted Charlton, Law, Stiles, Stepney etc and only won 3 trophies in his ENTIRE CAREER.
He could only be arsed to pull on his countries jersey 30 odd times and was so disinterested that he couldnt even drag them to a tournament let alone perform in one. Fucking Norman Whiteside made more of an impact in the global game.
Zidane and Maradona dominated thier leagues for years and almost singlehandedly won world cups and consistently won titles.
George Best is about akin to Nani.
[/quote]
What a lot of pish.
[/quote]Theres no theory or opinion in my post Doc. Its fact after fact.
[/quote]
'Akin to Nani'. Risible bollocks.
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