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"I've played in a lot of stadiums but for me there is nothing like playing at Liverpool. The fans always sing and hold up their scarves before and after the game - whether they have won or lost. It must be amazing if you are a Liverpool player" Thierry Henry

""I felt the power of Anfield, it was magnificent … maybe that interfered with the result." Jose Mourinho

"The crowd got Vidic booked, but this atmosphere is hard to handle for a referee. Their fans were fanatical with every decision, they put the referee under pressure all the time." Slur Alex Baconface


A lot is made of the Kop as 12th man - but if it isn't a myth - and there are reasons, anecdotal of course, to suspect that the crowd does play a significant role, then he's been a bigger flop this season than last summer's signings.

The only games that have had a buzz about them this season - where the crowd has been up for it before during and after - have been the ones against big clubs and ones we've got big results. Man U in the cup, Citeh in the cup, Everton.

It's been like a church in the games we've been beaten by shite like Wigan and Fulham. I know that this is self fulfilling but if the fans can take any credit for performances from St Etienne to Istanbul to all the others - then we need to accept that the silence around the ground when we're shite has at least contributed to the results.

No massive point, just thinking about it is all.
 
A couple of my mates were at both the Everton and Fulham games. Aganst Everton they said the atmosphere was amazing, and YNWA hadnt been sung so loudly in years.
Fulham was the complete opposite. Silence, and the Kop being outsung by other parts of the ground.

We havent had such a high average attendance in years, but the home results have certainly taken its toll in the atmosphere.

Hopefully a few new exciting signings in the summer and come kick off the new season willbe much better.
 
The atmosphere started to evaporate when we were still winning championships - a portion of the crowd were so used to success they became complacent and were even quiet when we were winning games. You would have expected younger fans to be incredibly hungry these days, but I sometimes wonder if the chronic nostalgia that the club promotes has backfired in that sense and bred young fans who are so resentful of not having experienced the glory days they're more impatient than anyone. It doesn't encourage any real 'YNWA' attitude.
 
I went and sat in the Kop for Stoke at home. Absolutely dire. It didn't help that the guy beside me decided to whisper every single chant in the most irritable fashion, then out of nowhere scream like a lunatic and bust my eardrum. He could have taken into consideration the atmosphere similar to a wake. The cunt.
 
It's not even anecdotal Woland. It's science.

The louder the crowd and the closer your crowd are to the pitch the more often you get awarded dodgy decisions by refs.
 
The silence at the Fulham game was shocking, ok Kenny put out a weak team.Plenty of regulars stayed at home and there were in my opinion a lot of Anfield virgins there but still you would have never thought we were going to a cup final. I go to around 10 games per year, travel over Dublin and maybe some people would call me an OOT. I go and sing and support the team but hasnt been easy at stages this year. The Man City semi was a magical night but the ground is dead for games such as Stoke.

I don`t know how the club improve the noise level but something needs to happen, maybe ban people from pissing or eating until half time, inform all supporters that the games last 90 minutes plus injury time, no photos once the game starts and please sing especially YNWA and Fields of Anfield Road and finally don`t abuse the players and never boo at the final whistle. That would be a start I guess!!
 
westred said:
The silence at the Fulham game was shocking, ok Kenny put out a weak team.Plenty of regulars stayed at home and there were in my opinion a lot of Anfield virgins there but still you would have never thought we were going to a cup final. I go to around 10 games per year, travel over Dublin and maybe some people would call me an OOT. I go and sing and support the team but hasnt been easy at stages this year. The Man City semi was a magical night but the ground is dead for games such as Stoke.

I don`t know how the club improve the noise level but something needs to happen, maybe ban people from pissing or eating until half time, inform all supporters that the games last 90 minutes plus injury time, no photos once the game starts and please sing especially YNWA and Fields of Anfield Road and finally don`t abuse the players and never boo at the final whistle. That would be a start I guess!!
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Maybe we should force the fans to buy flags as well? They should be made of plastic so that they last longer and be more value for money...
 
I last had a season ticket in 2003 (I think) and the atmos was crap then; this is no new phenomenon. I remember really enjoying the footy and atmos at the ground around '95/'96 and a couple of years after, that would be about the high point for me in terms of when I regularly attended games.
I think the fact that we do well against other big clubs yet perennially struggle against crap speaks volumes; most of the fans are only up for big games.
If you think about it, we have won plenty of trophies over the past 12 or 13 years or so but we have certainly played a lot of turgid stuff as well over that time. Its OK when you're young but as you get older and other commitments creep in, if you start to enjoy the experience less, the interest is bound to drop off.
I generally find football fans today to be a lot more aggressive than they were when I first started attending which I guess is at odds with how the hooligan problem is generally perceived. The game day experience costs the average bloke a lot more these days and a lot of people seem to get overly frustrated when things don't go well.
I doubt I'll ever go to another game and that's not just because I don't live there anymore. I'd kind of made that decision anyway.
 
We support when it suits.

Big games:yes
Any other time: nah.

Been consistently at the games (either working or season ticket) for 6 years.

Consistently we're shit besides games against big teams/cups.
 
I used to go every week and I stood on the Kop for many years. I never stopped singing from the first whistle, I came out of the ground hoarse every week. Since the Kop was seated I've stood and sung YNWA before games, then take my seat and watch the game sans singing.

Simple fact is that sitting is not conducive to a proactive, all-singing performance on my part.

I only go 3 or 4 times a season now and it just makes me miss the "old" days of a swaying Kop, heads half blocking my view, and ending up 10 metres from where you were standing after a goal celebration.
 
Seating doesnt help, most of the ground stand when the players come out on the pitch and during YNWA and then sit down...I don`t think we will ever see proper standing section again and it is a very emotive subject. For a finanical point of view can`t imagine the clubs want them as would be reduced tickets and would attract more hardcore fans who don`t spend the day in the club shop buying.
 
Red Mullet said:
Maybe we should force the fans to buy flags as well? They should be made of plastic so that they last longer and be more value for money...
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I would love a nice plastic flag would be easlier to keep clean and maybe we have half/half flags like the poxy scarfs that do be on sale around the ground
 
The new Kop is 18 this week - so maybe things will improve now it can go out and get pissed with its mates.
 
Woland said:
"I've played in a lot of stadiums but for me there is nothing like playing at Liverpool. The fans always sing and hold up their scarves before and after the game - whether they have won or lost. It must be amazing if you are a Liverpool player" Thierry Henry

""I felt the power of Anfield, it was magnificent … maybe that interfered with the result." Jose Mourinho

"The crowd got Vidic booked, but this atmosphere is hard to handle for a referee. Their fans were fanatical with every decision, they put the referee under pressure all the time." Slur Alex Baconface


A lot is made of the Kop as 12th man - but if it isn't a myth - and there are reasons, anecdotal of course, to suspect that the crowd does play a significant role, then he's been a bigger flop this season than last summer's signings.

The only games that have had a buzz about them this season - where the crowd has been up for it before during and after - have been the ones against big clubs and ones we've got big results. Man U in the cup, Citeh in the cup, Everton.

It's been like a church in the games we've been beaten by shite like Wigan and Fulham. I know that this is self fulfilling but if the fans can take any credit for performances from St Etienne to Istanbul to all the others - then we need to accept that the silence around the ground when we're shite has at least contributed to the results.

No massive point, just thinking about it is all.
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Yep. Can't disagree with a single word of that. For my mind, we are not there to be entertained, we are there to help lift our team. Too often in recent years we wait for the team to lift us.
 
westred said:
Seating doesnt help, most of the ground stand when the players come out on the pitch and during YNWA and then sit down...I don`t think we will ever see proper standing section again and it is a very emotive subject. For a finanical point of view can`t imagine the clubs want them as would be reduced tickets and would attract more hardcore fans who don`t spend the day in the club shop buying.
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I'm not so sure about standing being financially uninviting to the club. Let's assume you can get 2 people standing in the same space taken by 1 person sitting. Suppose you take away 3,000 seats and create a 6,000 'season ticket only' standing area. First rights to the new standing area will go to the ticket holders of the removed seats, the rest to other season ticket holders. What you are left with is 3000 vacated seats elsewhere in the ground which are then going to be taken by the less hardcore fans who might spend more in the club shop. And in total you get more people in the ground buying everyday matchgoing stuff, programmes, food and drink.
 
I do think the Kop is a huge factor, it lost it's atmosphere when it went all seated. And it's virtually impossible for the atmosphere to be the same for QPR at home, as it is for a European night or a big Cup game. Even on the all standing Kop, the atmosphere was less intense for the lesser games, still a massive cut above what it is now, but there's a self-consciousness bred into society a bit more these days and too many people don't want to make a racket for fear of ridicule or looking like a nob. Sad but true.
 
Pesam said:
I used to go every week and I stood on the Kop for many years. I never stopped singing from the first whistle, I came out of the ground hoarse every week. Since the Kop was seated I've stood and sung YNWA before games, then take my seat and watch the game sans singing.

Simple fact is that sitting is not conducive to a proactive, all-singing performance on my part.

I only go 3 or 4 times a season now and it just makes me miss the "old" days of a swaying Kop, heads half blocking my view, and ending up 10 metres from where you were standing after a goal celebration.
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There is a solution to that of course.... we wont because we just lack the balls but.... If FSG were really clever and not just money men.

I am actually firmly of the belief that the real problem with LFC is the lack of enjoyment and atmosphere at the games it must make a difference to the team, it genuinely used to be a twelfth man. Not guarantee of success but a guarantee that it fucking mattered.
 
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