Thanks Rafa

[the count]

The fact that after six years Rafa does not seem to be capable of winning the premiership is, I suspect, the very reason why the vast majority on this forum, myself included, seem to think that it is time for him to go.

The fact that he brought significant success and elevated the club's standing to heights not achieved in Europe in twenty years, means that also, the vast majority of posters aren't doing some kind of cuntish jig now that he has left

 

[SaintGeorge67]

Agreed

 

[Terrier]

Jexy,

Personally I would take the PL over the CL.....every single time.




As the Great Shanks once said "the league is our bread and butter"

 

[jexykrodic]

[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40468.msg1113977#msg1113977 date=1275767800]
Jexy,

Personally I would take the PL over the CL.....every single time.




As the Great Shanks once said "the league is our bread and butter"


[/quote]

Wasn't a bad start though was it?

 

[peekay]

I have been a Pro-Rafa and at this point I am hurting from his departure. I also wish his sacking was handled better. He deserved a final press conference. However, I am not sure if sacking Rafa was the wrong decision. Only the future can tell us.

I wish this thread was just used to thank him for all the good memories and not get into a slanging match about whether he was good or bad. If my previous post had incited some members, my apologies. It was not meant that way.

I do agree that krissr's post was bad. So was Oncy's response. For me Rafa gave me the best footballing nights of my life. I never dreamed that I could experience such a night. In time I will learn to accept that his departure was the best for both of us. However right now it is hurting and when I see some of the language being used against him, not just here, in other forums and the media, it really hurts.

 

[jexykrodic]

[quote author=the count link=topic=40468.msg1113975#msg1113975 date=1275767413]
The fact that after six years Rafa does not seem to be capable of winning the premiership is, I suspect, the very reason why the vast majority on this forum, myself included, seem to think that it is time for him to go.

The fact that he brought significant success and elevated the club's standing to heights not achieved in Europe in twenty years, means that also, the vast majority of posters aren't doing some kind of cuntish jig now that he has left
[/quote]

I think this last season has done for Rafa. If you cast your mind back to this time last year lots of fans, posters and pundits were tipping us for the title. I would agree though that the divisions the last season has seen made Rafa's position untenable.

There is a general recognition that Benitez achieved plenty but there are quite a lot doing that jig aren't there. The new guy is going to have to have a great deal of self-belief and a very thick skin.

 

[vantage]

[quote author=Terrier link=topic=40468.msg1113977#msg1113977 date=1275767800]
Jexy,

Personally I would take the PL over the CL.....every single time.




As the Great Shanks once said "the league is our bread and butter"


[/quote]

But Ro-land you conveniently omit two things that have changed massively since Shanks days.

1. Only the league winners went into the European Cup, so getting into it meant you had to win the league.

2. Money. There is now so much more money for just qualifying for the CL, the money men, in our case dear old George 'n' Tom and their raft of loans and overdrafts require CL qualification above anything else.

But you were right about everything else, as usual.

 

[rubans]

[quote author=peekay link=topic=40468.msg1113981#msg1113981 date=1275768679]
I have been a Pro-Rafa and at this point I am hurting from his departure. I also wish his sacking was handled better. He deserved a final press conference. However, I am not sure if sacking Rafa was the wrong decision. Only the future can tell us.

I wish this thread was just used to thank him for all the good memories and not get into a slanging match about whether he was good or bad. If my previous post had incited some members, my apologies. It was not meant that way.

I do agree that krissr's post was bad. So was Oncy's response. For me Rafa gave me the best footballing nights of my life. I never dreamed that I could experience such a night. In time I will learn to accept that his departure was the best for both of us. However right now it is hurting and when I see some of the language being used against him, not just here, in other forums and the media, it really hurts.
[/quote]
Excellent post, bring the thread back to it's original purpose rather than same old posters stating the same old things. Yes we get Rafa's failing but go on express them somewhere else. This thread is for Rafa, if you ain't got anything to thank him for something then leave it alone.

 

[vantage]

[quote author=rubans link=topic=40468.msg1113991#msg1113991 date=1275769985]
[quote author=peekay link=topic=40468.msg1113981#msg1113981 date=1275768679]
I have been a Pro-Rafa and at this point I am hurting from his departure. I also wish his sacking was handled better. He deserved a final press conference. However, I am not sure if sacking Rafa was the wrong decision. Only the future can tell us.

I wish this thread was just used to thank him for all the good memories and not get into a slanging match about whether he was good or bad. If my previous post had incited some members, my apologies. It was not meant that way.

I do agree that krissr's post was bad. So was Oncy's response. For me Rafa gave me the best footballing nights of my life. I never dreamed that I could experience such a night. In time I will learn to accept that his departure was the best for both of us. However right now it is hurting and when I see some of the language being used against him, not just here, in other forums and the media, it really hurts.
[/quote]
Excellent post, bring the thread back to it's original purpose rather than same old posters stating the same old things. Yes we get Rafa's failing but go on express them somewhere else. This thread is for Rafa, if you ain't got anything to thank him for something then leave it alone.
[/quote]
+ 1 to you both.

Thanks Rafa.

 

[manwithnoname]

Great post by the count

 

[doctor_mac]

Yep. The Count, as he so often does, has spoken wisely.

 

[singlerider]

[quote author=My_Blood_Bleeds_Red link=topic=40468.msg1113862#msg1113862 date=1275748002]
As usual, the blinkered, tunnel-visioned, extremely shortsighted 'fans' will be jumping in joy celebrating Rafa's departure. I used inverted commas cos these lot are in no way qualified to be proper fans. Like Judas, they're not true followers. Just a bunch of fcukwits, that's all they are.[/quote]

There's nothing worse than people who are 100% behind Rafa slating anybody who isn't as being 'shit fans'. It really is a most unbecoming trait. Every true fan wants what they see as being best for the club, and people being people, and opinions being like arseholes, this is gonna differ from person to person.

There are many people who might think that Rafa staying is going to be damaging to the club, yet I've never seen one of them accuse a Rafa supporter of being a 'shit fan'. For those on the other side of the fence to do so is not only insulting - it's also hugely arrogant on more than one level.

To assume that you know best, and that your opinion is automatically right is a bad starting point - to then go one step further and presume that this gives you the right to pass judgement on another person's love for their club or the quality of their support is even worse. Sadly, there have been some bigger and better posters than yourself equally guilty of it, and there's often a common theme in that they are the tunnel-visioned, blinkered ones that cannot see beyond their own opinions and have to dismiss anyone that disagrees with them as being a shit fan, as though they cannot possibly be wrong and there isn't room for more than one point of view.

It's arrogant, it's narrow-minded, and to be frank - it's a bit of a cuntish perspective on things. By all means disagree with somebody, but to question their commitment or passion based on nothing more than a difference of opinion is out of order IMO. Like I say, I've raised the issue before with more notable posters than yourself, and universally they almost always miss the point completely.

If it was down to me any accusations of being a shit fan (aside from the obious wums like Jaimie K) would be met with an automatic warning, because I don't think anybody has a right to pass judgement on something like that, but hey - that's just me

 

[krissr]

Maybe I've missed something in this thread, all i said was, Thanks Rafa, all the best for the future YNWA, how is that bad ?, i was simply just thanking the man

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

[quote author=singlerider link=topic=40468.msg1114006#msg1114006 date=1275774537]
[quote author=My_Blood_Bleeds_Red link=topic=40468.msg1113862#msg1113862 date=1275748002]
As usual, the blinkered, tunnel-visioned, extremely shortsighted 'fans' will be jumping in joy celebrating Rafa's departure. I used inverted commas cos these lot are in no way qualified to be proper fans. Like Judas, they're not true followers. Just a bunch of fcukwits, that's all they are.[/quote]

There's nothing worse than people who are 100% behind Rafa slating anybody who isn't as being 'shit fans'. It really is a most unbecoming trait. Every true fan wants what they see as being best for the club, and people being people, and opinions being like arseholes, this is gonna differ from person to person.

There are many people who might think that Rafa staying is going to be damaging to the club, yet I've never seen one of them accuse a Rafa supporter of being a 'shit fan'. For those on the other side of the fence to do so is not only insulting - it's also hugely arrogant on more than one level.

To assume that you know best, and that your opinion is automatically right is a bad starting point - to then go one step further and presume that this gives you the right to pass judgement on another person's love for their club or the quality of their support is even worse. Sadly, there have been some bigger and better posters than yourself equally guilty of it, and there's often a common theme in that they are the tunnel-visioned, blinkered ones that cannot see beyond their own opinions and have to dismiss anyone that disagrees with them as being a shit fan, as though they cannot possibly be wrong and there isn't room for more than one point of view.

It's arrogant, it's narrow-minded, and to be frank - it's a bit of a cuntish perspective on things. By all means disagree with somebody, but to question their commitment or passion based on nothing more than a difference of opinion is out of order IMO. Like I say, I've raised the issue before with more notable posters than yourself, and universally they almost always miss the point completely.

If it was down to me any accusations of being a shit fan (aside from the obious wums like Jaimie K) would be met with an automatic warning, because I don't think anybody has a right to pass judgement on something like that, but hey - that's just me
[/quote]

Eloquently put Dan.

Without thinking too hard, I can probably come up with about 20 lads I know who are regular match goers, the majority season ticket holders, who have forked out a considerable amount of money and time, year after year to sit and watch rubbish. All respected Rafa but were relieved he was removed as manager of Liverpool Football Club. They fall into this fucking dickheads definition of an unloyal, fairweather, impatient, SKY generation 'fan'. There's nothing lower than questioning a fellow Red's love of the club and loyalty because they feel the sacking of a manager may, in the long term, be the best thing for the club's future.

This joker is a twat. A cunt. A worm.

One who probably burns American flags whilst gorging on a Maccie D.

 

[singlerider]

[quote author=peekay link=topic=40468.msg1113981#msg1113981 date=1275768679]
I also wish his sacking was handled better. He deserved a final press conference. [/quote]

The waves of emotion emanating from RAWK have wailed about the disrespect and poor treatment towards Rafa, and I have to confess to being a little confused as to what this supposed sleight actually was, other than the sacking itself, which I think most level-headed people could see was - if not something that they personally agreed with - something that could at least be justified given this season's performance.

However, I'm wondering if this is the crux of the matter - the fact that Rafa didn't get to say his fond farewell and say goodbye to the fans. No extended walk around the hallowed turf at full time, hands raised and emotion running high in what everybody later speculates was the last time.

If so, the Devil's Advocate in me can't help but wonder if this might be a little bit of karma coming back around for Crouchy and JAR, both of whom were excellent servants to the club and were never afforded the same opportunity

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

[quote author=krissr link=topic=40468.msg1114010#msg1114010 date=1275774994]
Maybe I've missed something in this thread, all i said was, Thanks Rafa, all the best for the future YNWA, how is that bad ?, i was simply just thanking the man
[/quote]

It's not bad Kriss. 99.9% of the site respect and are grateful for what Rafa achieved even if a large majority feel his time was up.

 

[krissr]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40468.msg1114014#msg1114014 date=1275775369]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=40468.msg1114010#msg1114010 date=1275774994]
Maybe I've missed something in this thread, all i said was, Thanks Rafa, all the best for the future YNWA, how is that bad ?, i was simply just thanking the man
[/quote]

It's not bad Kriss. 99.9% of the site respect and are grateful for what Rafa achieved even if a large majority feel his time was up.
[/quote]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion obviously and i wouldn't ever call anyone for it, even if i didn't agree, at the end of the day, my opinion doesn't count anymore than anyone else's

Just what am not sure about is, why are people saying i have posted something bad then ?

 

[livvy145]

[quote author=krissr link=topic=40468.msg1114017#msg1114017 date=1275775829]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40468.msg1114014#msg1114014 date=1275775369]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=40468.msg1114010#msg1114010 date=1275774994]
Maybe I've missed something in this thread, all i said was, Thanks Rafa, all the best for the future YNWA, how is that bad ?, i was simply just thanking the man
[/quote]

It's not bad Kriss. 99.9% of the site respect and are grateful for what Rafa achieved even if a large majority feel his time was up.
[/quote]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion obviously and i wouldn't ever call anyone for it, even if i didn't agree, at the end of the day, my opinion doesn't count anymore than anyone else's

Just what am not sure about is, why are people saying i have posted something bad then ?
[/quote]

Some thought you were also posting as My_Blood_Bleeds_Red... I believe Oncy put them straight

 

[vantage]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40468.msg1114014#msg1114014 date=1275775369]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=40468.msg1114010#msg1114010 date=1275774994]
Maybe I've missed something in this thread, all i said was, Thanks Rafa, all the best for the future YNWA, how is that bad ?, i was simply just thanking the man
[/quote]

It's not bad Kriss. 99.9% of the site respect and are grateful for what Rafa achieved even if a large majority feel his time was up.
[/quote]
I would disagree, Sheiky. 'Respect' & 'Gratitude' are not a traits that are regularly practised on here, and it is kinda one of the least endearing things about the site.

When you felt you had overstepped the mark you resigned your admin duties. That was a decision that I personally respected.

 

[peekay]

[quote author=krissr link=topic=40468.msg1114017#msg1114017 date=1275775829]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40468.msg1114014#msg1114014 date=1275775369]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=40468.msg1114010#msg1114010 date=1275774994]
Maybe I've missed something in this thread, all i said was, Thanks Rafa, all the best for the future YNWA, how is that bad ?, i was simply just thanking the man
[/quote]

It's not bad Kriss. 99.9% of the site respect and are grateful for what Rafa achieved even if a large majority feel his time was up.
[/quote]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion obviously and i wouldn't ever call anyone for it, even if i didn't agree, at the end of the day, my opinion doesn't count anymore than anyone else's

Just what am not sure about is, why are people saying i have posted something bad then ?
[/quote]

I think everyone including myself thought that the poster My_blood_bleeds_red is you mate. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

[quote author=vantage link=topic=40468.msg1114019#msg1114019 date=1275776156]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40468.msg1114014#msg1114014 date=1275775369]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=40468.msg1114010#msg1114010 date=1275774994]
Maybe I've missed something in this thread, all i said was, Thanks Rafa, all the best for the future YNWA, how is that bad ?, i was simply just thanking the man
[/quote]

It's not bad Kriss. 99.9% of the site respect and are grateful for what Rafa achieved even if a large majority feel his time was up.
[/quote]
I would disagree, Sheiky. 'Respect' & 'Gratitude' are not a traits that are regularly practised on here, and it is kinda one of the least endearing things about the site.

When you felt you had overstepped the mark you resigned your admin duties. That was a decision that I personally respected.
[/quote]

I'm talking about people's attitude towards Rafa, not other posters mate. If we were talking about poster to poster respect then I'd agree.

 

[vantage]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40468.msg1114022#msg1114022 date=1275776827]
[quote author=vantage link=topic=40468.msg1114019#msg1114019 date=1275776156]
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=40468.msg1114014#msg1114014 date=1275775369]
[quote author=krissr link=topic=40468.msg1114010#msg1114010 date=1275774994]
Maybe I've missed something in this thread, all i said was, Thanks Rafa, all the best for the future YNWA, how is that bad ?, i was simply just thanking the man
[/quote]

It's not bad Kriss. 99.9% of the site respect and are grateful for what Rafa achieved even if a large majority feel his time was up.
[/quote]
I would disagree, Sheiky. 'Respect' & 'Gratitude' are not a traits that are regularly practised on here, and it is kinda one of the least endearing things about the site.

When you felt you had overstepped the mark you resigned your admin duties. That was a decision that I personally respected.
[/quote]

I'm talking about people's attitude towards Rafa, not other posters mate. If we were talking about poster to poster respect then I'd agree.
[/quote]

I think the lines are blurred. I have no idea where the club could currently be had Rafa not been here the last two years, but I suspect we would be more in the mire than we are.

Unless we get new owners, this could be a mistake of epic proportions.

And I don't think Benitez desrves the press he gets on here.

 

[singlerider]

I agree that Rafa hasn't been spoken of with the respect he deserves in recent times. I'm putting it down to emotions running high and the Rafa-haters being wound up by the RCDNWers.

I think everyone without exception is grateful though

 

[vantage]

[quote author=singlerider link=topic=40468.msg1114025#msg1114025 date=1275777272]
I agree that Rafa hasn't been spoken of with the respect he deserves in recent times. I'm putting it down to emotions running high and the Rafa-haters being wound up by the RCDNWers.

I think everyone without exception is grateful though
[/quote]

Hmmm. Pehaps you need to visit the Footie forum more often. As well as some of the resident nutters, one or two of the hierarchy are so anti-Rafa you'd think he'd got us relagated.

 

[singlerider]

To a man (and woman) virtually everybody has stated 25/5/2005 as being one of the greatest nights of their life, and expressed their joy at some of the magical European nights we've had along the way. I don't think there's a lack of gratitude.

Lack of respect, I'll give you. I think over time that'll mellow

 

[vantage]

[quote author=singlerider link=topic=40468.msg1114029#msg1114029 date=1275777671]
To a man (and woman) virtually everybody has stated 25/5/2005 as being one of the greatest nights of their life, and expressed their joy at some of the magical European nights we've had along the way. I don't think there's a lack of gratitude.

Lack of respect, I'll give you. I think over time that'll mellow
[/quote]

Fair enough. But during that time we have a football club to run, and quite frankly given a choice between Uncle Woy, MoN or Rafa, I know who I'd rather have in charge......

 

[singlerider]

Well, to be honest I dunno who the fuck we should get in.

However, what I personally believe is that under Rafa we would definitely never ever have won the league, no matter how long he was given or even if he was given loads more money. I think he has an inability to see the obvious, makes silly mistakes and doesn't learn from them.

Given the choice between an unknown entity that may or may not be what we so desperately need, or somebody that you are 100% confident will get close, but never fully deliver, my opinion is it was time to take a risk. How calculated that risk turns out to be we'll find out I guess

 

[vantage]

[quote author=singlerider link=topic=40468.msg1114031#msg1114031 date=1275778340]
Well, to be honest I dunno who the fuck we should get in.

However, what I personally believe is that under Rafa we would definitely never ever have won the league, no matter how long he was given or even if he was given loads more money. I think he has an inability to see the obvious, makes silly mistakes and doesn't learn from them.

Given the choice between an unknown entity that may or may not be what we so desperately need, or somebody that you are 100% confident will get close, but never fully deliver, my opinion is it was time to take a risk. How calculated that risk turns out to be we'll find out I guess
[/quote]
I don't believe that Rafa could win the league under the current owners, but I don't think anybody can. However I would rather have him in the mix than not. He kept G&T sort of honest.

I'm not saying he could have won it with more money, but I would like to have seen him compete on a level playing field for a year or two.

 

[singlerider]

Fair enough V, I can respect that.

I'm not sure about keeping 'em honest though, sort of or not, I think they pretty much don't give a flying fuck really, and I think he allowed the behind-the-scenes politicking get in the way of concentrating on the next game. I also think he had about 3/4 years of it being about as level as it's gonna get with us, barring wonderfully spendthrift new owners or a shiny new stadium, and though he showed glimpses of brilliance I still don't don't think he quite 'got it' and my sneaking suspicion is that he never would.

Still, it's all academic now, ain't it?

Fact is, he's gone, and whether that makes us happy or sad we should probably all take the time to remember the great memories he's given us.

I think one of my favourites has to be:

 

[Vlads Quiff]

Well played Dan, you have been a bit erratic in posting over the last few months, but I tell you this, you are a very good poster , who puts a lot of thought into what you say, and you are deffo up there with the best of them, it's just a pity you can't dance very well 😉


regards