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http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/rafa-my-new-stadium-dream
I still haven't decided whether this is good or not that he left, because I hradly believe the replacment could do better than him, but I'm staying optimistic, as long as G&H are here we're fucked regardless of who's managing us.
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/rafa-my-new-stadium-dream
I still haven't decided whether this is good or not that he left, because I hradly believe the replacment could do better than him, but I'm staying optimistic, as long as G&H are here we're fucked regardless of who's managing us.
Agree with ryan and others here rafa did give us lots to be proud of over the last few years but he had gone stale and stubborn unable to undo big mistakes he made in the transfers he made.We need new faces,new tactics and confidence installed back in our players and fans.we also desperately need new owners .
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40468.msg1112961#msg1112961 date=1275626882]
I'm grateful to the man, I'm upset he's gone. I genuinely do feel that he loved the club. He spoke fondly, often, about the city, the fans, the club, and it was clear to all the respect he had for where he was. That it's come to this is sad, and extremely disappointing. Simialr to Houllier, I'm sure it's as upsetting to him that he hasn't taken us to the ultimate glory. Doesn't mean we can't be grateful for what he did achieve, and the memories of those nights that we will never forget.
Cheers Rafa, YNWA.
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Great post Ryan.
I think ultimately he perhaps took us as far as he could. I think he had his limitations and they were often self imposed. There was something quite grand about Benitez, he seemed to only to be able to work at the high level of the game, by which I mean, throw him into a situation of win or bust and he'd put together a tactical plan to do it. Give him a good team and he'd show you some brilliance, but ask him to build one, or a squad as it were, and he'd fall short or show too many inconsistencies.
It was often the minor details, the basics, that he seemed to over-complicate at times and I feel that was his downfall.
That said, I agree wholeheartedly regarding his love for the City, his respect for our fans and our history and his genuine desire to do the best for us.
I'm glad there's a thread to balance out half the bile being thrown out by Terrier and the likes. It's good to see our best posters showing due respect.
Well done Rafa, I wish you the very, very best for the future and you'll always be a part of Anfield Folklore.
YNWA
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Well said Mark. He was Liverpool through and through, loyal hardworking, and not one of these mercenaries. He felt the passion of the club and was willing to keep trying when others would have run. I think it's sad, because he gave us many memories, and some of the best moments since 1990. Best manager since Kenny, and made us believe we could go all the way again. All the others, you felt you were fooling yourself. YNWA.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40468.msg1112961#msg1112961 date=1275626882]
I'm grateful to the man, I'm upset he's gone. I genuinely do feel that he loved the club. He spoke fondly, often, about the city, the fans, the club, and it was clear to all the respect he had for where he was. That it's come to this is sad, and extremely disappointing. Simialr to Houllier, I'm sure it's as upsetting to him that he hasn't taken us to the ultimate glory. Doesn't mean we can't be grateful for what he did achieve, and the memories of those nights that we will never forget.
Cheers Rafa, YNWA.
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Great post Ryan.
I think ultimately he perhaps took us as far as he could. I think he had his limitations and they were often self imposed. There was something quite grand about Benitez, he seemed to only to be able to work at the high level of the game, by which I mean, throw him into a situation of win or bust and he'd put together a tactical plan to do it. Give him a good team and he'd show you some brilliance, but ask him to build one, or a squad as it were, and he'd fall short or show too many inconsistencies.
It was often the minor details, the basics, that he seemed to over-complicate at times and I feel that was his downfall.
That said, I agree wholeheartedly regarding his love for the City, his respect for our fans and our history and his genuine desire to do the best for us.
I'm glad there's a thread to balance out half the bile being thrown out by Terrier and the likes. It's good to see our best posters showing due respect.
Well done Rafa, I wish you the very, very best for the future and you'll always be a part of Anfield Folklore.
YNWA
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Well said Mark. He was Liverpool through and through, loyal hardworking, and not one of these mercenaries. He felt the passion of the club and was willing to keep trying when others would have run. I think it's sad, because he gave us many memories, and some of the best moments since 1990. Best manager since Kenny, and made us believe we could go all the way again. All the others, you felt you were fooling yourself. YNWA.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40468.msg1112961#msg1112961 date=1275626882]
I'm grateful to the man, I'm upset he's gone... He spoke fondly, often, about the city, the fans, the club, and it was clear to all the respect he had for where he was. That it's come to this is sad, and extremely disappointing. Simialr to Houllier, I'm sure it's as upsetting to him that he hasn't taken us to the ultimate glory. Doesn't mean we can't be grateful for what he did achieve, and the memories of those nights that we will never forget.
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Well said.
What he achieved was borderline impossible, and will NEVER be seen again. I will always be grateful for the glory that he brought back to Anfield.
Good luck where ever you end up, Rafa - If it's Inter, I think you're going to rule the world.
Thanks for the memories.
I'm grateful to the man, I'm upset he's gone... He spoke fondly, often, about the city, the fans, the club, and it was clear to all the respect he had for where he was. That it's come to this is sad, and extremely disappointing. Simialr to Houllier, I'm sure it's as upsetting to him that he hasn't taken us to the ultimate glory. Doesn't mean we can't be grateful for what he did achieve, and the memories of those nights that we will never forget.
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Well said.
What he achieved was borderline impossible, and will NEVER be seen again. I will always be grateful for the glory that he brought back to Anfield.
Good luck where ever you end up, Rafa - If it's Inter, I think you're going to rule the world.
Thanks for the memories.
Great post Ryan. Agree with everything you said. For a forum named after his greatest every triumph, I hope some of the peoplewho celebrated his departure also feel the same sentiments after things have settled down a bit.
Reflecting back on Rafa's reign, I feel that he tried to change and take on too many things and too many people. First the academy, then Pako, then Parry, then the owners. I do understand that he tried to make changes for the better, it was a honest attempt to make our club top class. But years and years of infighting does take its toll on the efficiency of a person. It wears him down. At some point I wish he just focused on coaching. Once he had won the league, he would have become immortal and took on the other fights.
I have absolutely no doubt that he will go to a top European club and give those fans some magical nights in the champions league. I have no doubt that before he retires he will win the Champions League at least once more, if not twice or more - Coz Once a European Champion, Always a European Champion. And I have not doubt that he will not join any of our direct rivals. At that point I will raise a glass and cheer for him.
In some sense, looking back at our managers since Kenny - it looks like the successor was an improvement over the previous manager. It gives me a bit of hope that we will get it right soon.
Reflecting back on Rafa's reign, I feel that he tried to change and take on too many things and too many people. First the academy, then Pako, then Parry, then the owners. I do understand that he tried to make changes for the better, it was a honest attempt to make our club top class. But years and years of infighting does take its toll on the efficiency of a person. It wears him down. At some point I wish he just focused on coaching. Once he had won the league, he would have become immortal and took on the other fights.
I have absolutely no doubt that he will go to a top European club and give those fans some magical nights in the champions league. I have no doubt that before he retires he will win the Champions League at least once more, if not twice or more - Coz Once a European Champion, Always a European Champion. And I have not doubt that he will not join any of our direct rivals. At that point I will raise a glass and cheer for him.
In some sense, looking back at our managers since Kenny - it looks like the successor was an improvement over the previous manager. It gives me a bit of hope that we will get it right soon.
Great article by Brian Reade
Rafa Benitez leaves Liverpool as a legend so could critics please stop rewriting history?
Right to the end the professional pundits failed to understand why so many Liverpudlians stayed loyal to Rafa Benitez.
As 500 fans marched on Anfield after his departure, chanting the Spaniard’s name, heads shook at a footballing sub-species bracketed Âsomewhere between romantic die-hards and mawkish morons.
To the “expert†eye, these deluded fools had been conned by Benitez’s cunning and blinded to his failings by the glory of Istanbul and the Âcriminal incompetence of the American owners.
Liverpool fans they said, once among the most knowledgeable in the world, had clearly lost touch with the modern reality, and were now a sad throwback to the days when sideburned men kicked orange balls.
Well, I’d argue one of the saddest aspects of modern Âfootball is too many pundits, including ex-players, have not paid to watch a game since those orange ball days. And they’ve lost touch with the fan.
I’m not saying Benitez had to stay. The results and the football last year were shocking, he’s been a major player in Anfield’s destructive civil war, and the number of fans disillusioned with his style and methods was growing.
But to paint his six-year reign as an unmitigated disaster, sustained only by the over-sentimentalising of Istanbul, is analysis at its most skewed and cringeful. By 2004 Liverpool had been relegated to the status of European also-rans. Benitez made the club a genuine world force again.
It wasn’t just that 2005 ÂChampions League win (which is shamelessly downplayed as a fluke despite beating Fabio Capello’s Juventus, Jose Mourinho’s Chelsea and Carlo Ancelotti’s AC Milan). Or reaching the 2007 Champions League final and the 2008 semi-final. It wasn’t even UEFA elevating Liverpool to Europe’s top-seeded club due to results under Benitez.
It was beating Real Madrid and Inter Milan at the Bernabeu and San Siro (which the Reds had never before done) and Barcelona at the Nou Camp. Magical victories at the very top of world football, which restored long-overdue respect to Liverpudlian hearts.
Ah say the experts, but he didn’t win the league. True. But he got closer than any Liverpool boss in the past 20 years. A season ago he was a whisker away, taking the highest number of points by a runner-up in a 38-game season and the club’s best points haul since 1988.
And he did so despite having the 5th highest wage bill Âin the league, the 5th Âcostliest squad, the 5th biggest stadium capacity and a net annual transfer spend of £15million. Which should have made experts ask why Liverpool were ever considered a nailed-on top four side under Benitez, especially when the boardroom was mired in anarchy.
Ah, they say, but he’d long lost the players and the board. So why have Steven Gerrard, Fernando Torres, Daniel Agger, Dirk Kuyt and Pepe Reina signed new long-term contracts within the past year? Why last August did managing director Christian Purslow do interviews purring over Benitez and how he was integral to the club’s future?
Ah, the experts say, but that was before he let Xabi Alonso go, which everyone could see was a calamity. These would be the same experts who, for the previous couple of seasons, claimed Liverpool were a two-man team. With Alonso (on whom Benitez turned a £20million profit) never being mentioned as one of those two.
Ah, they say, but Torres apart, he only signed sub-standard dross and ended up with a shockingly-weak squad. Really?
Liverpool are sending 12 players (13 if you count Milan Jovanovic whose Bosman signing is going through) to the World Cup. Or an entire team: Reina, Carragher, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Babel, Gerrard, Mascherano, Rodriguez, Kuyt, Torres. Subs: Kyrgiakos, Jovanovic.
Eleven Chelsea players flew out to South Africa, the same number as Arsenal, and Manchester United sent eight. Does that look like he’s left Anfield bare of talent?
The truth is Benitez leaves a squad worth many times more than the one he inherited, despite spending less in the past three transfer windows than he’s brought in.
I don’t seek to rewrite history or airbrush Benitez’s Âfailings. I saw last year’s football and it stank. I felt the growing anger among players and fans at his bloody-mindedness and knew something had to give.
Which is why it may be best for all concerned that he walks on. But now he has, let’s do him the honour of getting his legacy right.
Rafa Benitez was many things at Liverpool but unlike every manager since Kenny Dalglish, he was not a failure. Indeed a majority of ÂLiverpudlians will remember him as a legend.
Because like Bill Shankly, on more days and nights than those expert pundits ever care to recall, he made the people happy.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/brian-reade/Why-Rafa-Benitez-leaves-Liverpool-as-a-legend-not-the-failure-his-history-rewriting-critics-insist-The-Brian-Reade-Column-article448527.html
Rafa Benitez leaves Liverpool as a legend so could critics please stop rewriting history?
Right to the end the professional pundits failed to understand why so many Liverpudlians stayed loyal to Rafa Benitez.
As 500 fans marched on Anfield after his departure, chanting the Spaniard’s name, heads shook at a footballing sub-species bracketed Âsomewhere between romantic die-hards and mawkish morons.
To the “expert†eye, these deluded fools had been conned by Benitez’s cunning and blinded to his failings by the glory of Istanbul and the Âcriminal incompetence of the American owners.
Liverpool fans they said, once among the most knowledgeable in the world, had clearly lost touch with the modern reality, and were now a sad throwback to the days when sideburned men kicked orange balls.
Well, I’d argue one of the saddest aspects of modern Âfootball is too many pundits, including ex-players, have not paid to watch a game since those orange ball days. And they’ve lost touch with the fan.
I’m not saying Benitez had to stay. The results and the football last year were shocking, he’s been a major player in Anfield’s destructive civil war, and the number of fans disillusioned with his style and methods was growing.
But to paint his six-year reign as an unmitigated disaster, sustained only by the over-sentimentalising of Istanbul, is analysis at its most skewed and cringeful. By 2004 Liverpool had been relegated to the status of European also-rans. Benitez made the club a genuine world force again.
It wasn’t just that 2005 ÂChampions League win (which is shamelessly downplayed as a fluke despite beating Fabio Capello’s Juventus, Jose Mourinho’s Chelsea and Carlo Ancelotti’s AC Milan). Or reaching the 2007 Champions League final and the 2008 semi-final. It wasn’t even UEFA elevating Liverpool to Europe’s top-seeded club due to results under Benitez.
It was beating Real Madrid and Inter Milan at the Bernabeu and San Siro (which the Reds had never before done) and Barcelona at the Nou Camp. Magical victories at the very top of world football, which restored long-overdue respect to Liverpudlian hearts.
Ah say the experts, but he didn’t win the league. True. But he got closer than any Liverpool boss in the past 20 years. A season ago he was a whisker away, taking the highest number of points by a runner-up in a 38-game season and the club’s best points haul since 1988.
And he did so despite having the 5th highest wage bill Âin the league, the 5th Âcostliest squad, the 5th biggest stadium capacity and a net annual transfer spend of £15million. Which should have made experts ask why Liverpool were ever considered a nailed-on top four side under Benitez, especially when the boardroom was mired in anarchy.
Ah, they say, but he’d long lost the players and the board. So why have Steven Gerrard, Fernando Torres, Daniel Agger, Dirk Kuyt and Pepe Reina signed new long-term contracts within the past year? Why last August did managing director Christian Purslow do interviews purring over Benitez and how he was integral to the club’s future?
Ah, the experts say, but that was before he let Xabi Alonso go, which everyone could see was a calamity. These would be the same experts who, for the previous couple of seasons, claimed Liverpool were a two-man team. With Alonso (on whom Benitez turned a £20million profit) never being mentioned as one of those two.
Ah, they say, but Torres apart, he only signed sub-standard dross and ended up with a shockingly-weak squad. Really?
Liverpool are sending 12 players (13 if you count Milan Jovanovic whose Bosman signing is going through) to the World Cup. Or an entire team: Reina, Carragher, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Babel, Gerrard, Mascherano, Rodriguez, Kuyt, Torres. Subs: Kyrgiakos, Jovanovic.
Eleven Chelsea players flew out to South Africa, the same number as Arsenal, and Manchester United sent eight. Does that look like he’s left Anfield bare of talent?
The truth is Benitez leaves a squad worth many times more than the one he inherited, despite spending less in the past three transfer windows than he’s brought in.
I don’t seek to rewrite history or airbrush Benitez’s Âfailings. I saw last year’s football and it stank. I felt the growing anger among players and fans at his bloody-mindedness and knew something had to give.
Which is why it may be best for all concerned that he walks on. But now he has, let’s do him the honour of getting his legacy right.
Rafa Benitez was many things at Liverpool but unlike every manager since Kenny Dalglish, he was not a failure. Indeed a majority of ÂLiverpudlians will remember him as a legend.
Because like Bill Shankly, on more days and nights than those expert pundits ever care to recall, he made the people happy.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/brian-reade/Why-Rafa-Benitez-leaves-Liverpool-as-a-legend-not-the-failure-his-history-rewriting-critics-insist-The-Brian-Reade-Column-article448527.html
[quote author=peekay link=topic=40468.msg1113626#msg1113626 date=1275696649]
Great article by Brian Reade
Rafa Benitez leaves Liverpool as a legend so could critics please stop rewriting history?
Right to the end the professional pundits failed to understand why so many Liverpudlians stayed loyal to Rafa Benitez.
As 500 fans marched on Anfield after his departure, chanting the Spaniard’s name, heads shook at a footballing sub-species bracketed Âsomewhere between romantic die-hards and mawkish morons.
To the “expert†eye, these deluded fools had been conned by Benitez’s cunning and blinded to his failings by the glory of Istanbul and the Âcriminal incompetence of the American owners.
Liverpool fans they said, once among the most knowledgeable in the world, had clearly lost touch with the modern reality, and were now a sad throwback to the days when sideburned men kicked orange balls.
Well, I’d argue one of the saddest aspects of modern Âfootball is too many pundits, including ex-players, have not paid to watch a game since those orange ball days. And they’ve lost touch with the fan.
I’m not saying Benitez had to stay. The results and the football last year were shocking, he’s been a major player in Anfield’s destructive civil war, and the number of fans disillusioned with his style and methods was growing.
But to paint his six-year reign as an unmitigated disaster, sustained only by the over-sentimentalising of Istanbul, is analysis at its most skewed and cringeful. By 2004 Liverpool had been relegated to the status of European also-rans. Benitez made the club a genuine world force again.
It wasn’t just that 2005 ÂChampions League win (which is shamelessly downplayed as a fluke despite beating Fabio Capello’s Juventus, Jose Mourinho’s Chelsea and Carlo Ancelotti’s AC Milan). Or reaching the 2007 Champions League final and the 2008 semi-final. It wasn’t even UEFA elevating Liverpool to Europe’s top-seeded club due to results under Benitez.
It was beating Real Madrid and Inter Milan at the Bernabeu and San Siro (which the Reds had never before done) and Barcelona at the Nou Camp. Magical victories at the very top of world football, which restored long-overdue respect to Liverpudlian hearts.
Ah say the experts, but he didn’t win the league. True. But he got closer than any Liverpool boss in the past 20 years. A season ago he was a whisker away, taking the highest number of points by a runner-up in a 38-game season and the club’s best points haul since 1988.
And he did so despite having the 5th highest wage bill Âin the league, the 5th Âcostliest squad, the 5th biggest stadium capacity and a net annual transfer spend of £15million. Which should have made experts ask why Liverpool were ever considered a nailed-on top four side under Benitez, especially when the boardroom was mired in anarchy.
Ah, they say, but he’d long lost the players and the board. So why have Steven Gerrard, Fernando Torres, Daniel Agger, Dirk Kuyt and Pepe Reina signed new long-term contracts within the past year? Why last August did managing director Christian Purslow do interviews purring over Benitez and how he was integral to the club’s future?
Ah, the experts say, but that was before he let Xabi Alonso go, which everyone could see was a calamity. These would be the same experts who, for the previous couple of seasons, claimed Liverpool were a two-man team. With Alonso (on whom Benitez turned a £20million profit) never being mentioned as one of those two.
Ah, they say, but Torres apart, he only signed sub-standard dross and ended up with a shockingly-weak squad. Really?
Liverpool are sending 12 players (13 if you count Milan Jovanovic whose Bosman signing is going through) to the World Cup. Or an entire team: Reina, Carragher, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Babel, Gerrard, Mascherano, Rodriguez, Kuyt, Torres. Subs: Kyrgiakos, Jovanovic.
Eleven Chelsea players flew out to South Africa, the same number as Arsenal, and Manchester United sent eight. Does that look like he’s left Anfield bare of talent?
The truth is Benitez leaves a squad worth many times more than the one he inherited, despite spending less in the past three transfer windows than he’s brought in.
I don’t seek to rewrite history or airbrush Benitez’s Âfailings. I saw last year’s football and it stank. I felt the growing anger among players and fans at his bloody-mindedness and knew something had to give.
Which is why it may be best for all concerned that he walks on. But now he has, let’s do him the honour of getting his legacy right.
Rafa Benitez was many things at Liverpool but unlike every manager since Kenny Dalglish, he was not a failure. Indeed a majority of ÂLiverpudlians will remember him as a legend.
Because like Bill Shankly, on more days and nights than those expert pundits ever care to recall, he made the people happy.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/brian-reade/Why-Rafa-Benitez-leaves-Liverpool-as-a-legend-not-the-failure-his-history-rewriting-critics-insist-The-Brian-Reade-Column-article448527.html
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Yes, it is a good article.
Great article by Brian Reade
Rafa Benitez leaves Liverpool as a legend so could critics please stop rewriting history?
Right to the end the professional pundits failed to understand why so many Liverpudlians stayed loyal to Rafa Benitez.
As 500 fans marched on Anfield after his departure, chanting the Spaniard’s name, heads shook at a footballing sub-species bracketed Âsomewhere between romantic die-hards and mawkish morons.
To the “expert†eye, these deluded fools had been conned by Benitez’s cunning and blinded to his failings by the glory of Istanbul and the Âcriminal incompetence of the American owners.
Liverpool fans they said, once among the most knowledgeable in the world, had clearly lost touch with the modern reality, and were now a sad throwback to the days when sideburned men kicked orange balls.
Well, I’d argue one of the saddest aspects of modern Âfootball is too many pundits, including ex-players, have not paid to watch a game since those orange ball days. And they’ve lost touch with the fan.
I’m not saying Benitez had to stay. The results and the football last year were shocking, he’s been a major player in Anfield’s destructive civil war, and the number of fans disillusioned with his style and methods was growing.
But to paint his six-year reign as an unmitigated disaster, sustained only by the over-sentimentalising of Istanbul, is analysis at its most skewed and cringeful. By 2004 Liverpool had been relegated to the status of European also-rans. Benitez made the club a genuine world force again.
It wasn’t just that 2005 ÂChampions League win (which is shamelessly downplayed as a fluke despite beating Fabio Capello’s Juventus, Jose Mourinho’s Chelsea and Carlo Ancelotti’s AC Milan). Or reaching the 2007 Champions League final and the 2008 semi-final. It wasn’t even UEFA elevating Liverpool to Europe’s top-seeded club due to results under Benitez.
It was beating Real Madrid and Inter Milan at the Bernabeu and San Siro (which the Reds had never before done) and Barcelona at the Nou Camp. Magical victories at the very top of world football, which restored long-overdue respect to Liverpudlian hearts.
Ah say the experts, but he didn’t win the league. True. But he got closer than any Liverpool boss in the past 20 years. A season ago he was a whisker away, taking the highest number of points by a runner-up in a 38-game season and the club’s best points haul since 1988.
And he did so despite having the 5th highest wage bill Âin the league, the 5th Âcostliest squad, the 5th biggest stadium capacity and a net annual transfer spend of £15million. Which should have made experts ask why Liverpool were ever considered a nailed-on top four side under Benitez, especially when the boardroom was mired in anarchy.
Ah, they say, but he’d long lost the players and the board. So why have Steven Gerrard, Fernando Torres, Daniel Agger, Dirk Kuyt and Pepe Reina signed new long-term contracts within the past year? Why last August did managing director Christian Purslow do interviews purring over Benitez and how he was integral to the club’s future?
Ah, the experts say, but that was before he let Xabi Alonso go, which everyone could see was a calamity. These would be the same experts who, for the previous couple of seasons, claimed Liverpool were a two-man team. With Alonso (on whom Benitez turned a £20million profit) never being mentioned as one of those two.
Ah, they say, but Torres apart, he only signed sub-standard dross and ended up with a shockingly-weak squad. Really?
Liverpool are sending 12 players (13 if you count Milan Jovanovic whose Bosman signing is going through) to the World Cup. Or an entire team: Reina, Carragher, Agger, Skrtel, Johnson, Babel, Gerrard, Mascherano, Rodriguez, Kuyt, Torres. Subs: Kyrgiakos, Jovanovic.
Eleven Chelsea players flew out to South Africa, the same number as Arsenal, and Manchester United sent eight. Does that look like he’s left Anfield bare of talent?
The truth is Benitez leaves a squad worth many times more than the one he inherited, despite spending less in the past three transfer windows than he’s brought in.
I don’t seek to rewrite history or airbrush Benitez’s Âfailings. I saw last year’s football and it stank. I felt the growing anger among players and fans at his bloody-mindedness and knew something had to give.
Which is why it may be best for all concerned that he walks on. But now he has, let’s do him the honour of getting his legacy right.
Rafa Benitez was many things at Liverpool but unlike every manager since Kenny Dalglish, he was not a failure. Indeed a majority of ÂLiverpudlians will remember him as a legend.
Because like Bill Shankly, on more days and nights than those expert pundits ever care to recall, he made the people happy.
http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/opinion/columnists/brian-reade/Why-Rafa-Benitez-leaves-Liverpool-as-a-legend-not-the-failure-his-history-rewriting-critics-insist-The-Brian-Reade-Column-article448527.html
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Yes, it is a good article.
Well said Ry.
Decent article by reade
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40468.msg1112961#msg1112961 date=1275626882]
I think it's fairly safe to say that a recognition and appreciation of what Rafa brought to our club has been entirely lost in the last 24 hours. It's definitnely been competely overshadowed by an endless queue of short-sighted posters only to glad to outdo one another in descirbing Rafa's apparent ineptitude as our Manager. Which is a fucking pity.
Like a jilted lover, I've gone through the ensuing denial, and am now ready too to flirt with other options. Unfortunately Roy Hodgson's neither the cocktease, nor the rebound lover I'm desperately in need of. In fact, the more the options get laid out - MON, McLeish, Hughes, etc- the more I miss what we've just lost. Like a fucking sucker, I just sat through thsoe rather shoddily produced youtube efforts in Skully's thread. And like a fucking 14 year old, I got emotional. It was pretty hard not to.
What Rafa achieved for us, has been at best derided recently, at worst - utterly forgotten. How can someone who brought us back to the elite of European and World football be so badly farewelled? It's staggeringly embarassing for a club so proud of it's treatment of its own. If Houllier brought our pride back, Benitez gave us a taste of the glory. The single best nights of my life as a football fan are directly attributed to Benitez, and that's something for me at least to be thankful for. Olympiakos at home. That first half hour against a truly incredible Juventus side. Tactically suffocating them with Nunez and Baros in the side at the Olympic Stadium. That feeling at the final whistle after beating Chelsea in the semi-final. the YNWA from that game. Fuck me what a feeling. Istanbul. Fucking fucking Istanbul. The greatest night of my life as a Liverpool fan. Be careful what you wish for folks, cos we may not experience another Istanbul in our lifetime. Whalloping United at Old Trafford. Putting 6 past Villa, and it could have been 12. Gerrard's volley in the Cup Final. Destroying the mighty Real Madrid home and away. Managing the team at the World Club Final a day after his Father dies, and not saying one word about it. Every single great memory about Liverpool that I've experienced in the last 5 years, I'll still be talking and typing about in 50 years time, cos it was that damn good, and means that damn much.
Like the rest of you, I grew tired of the excuses, the sniping to the Press, him undermining the owners (was that really that unforgivable anyway?), and the increasingly common baffling on and off pitch decisions. But you take the rough with the smooth. If we were offered the chance to experience those highs 5 years ago, and kew that the caveat was a 7th place finish at the end you'd have taken it every day of the week. I would at least.
I'm grateful to the man, I'm upset he's gone. I genuinely do feel that he loved the club. He spoke fondly, often, about the city, the fans, the club, and it was clear to all the respect he had for where he was. That it's come to this is sad, and extremely disappointing. Simialr to Houllier, I'm sure it's as upsetting to him that he hasn't taken us to the ultimate glory. Doesn't mean we can't be grateful for what he did achieve, and the memories of those nights that we will never forget.
Cheers Rafa, YNWA.
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Cant say it better than that myself. *applauds*
As usual, the blinkered, tunnel-visioned, extremely shortsighted 'fans' will be jumping in joy celebrating Rafa's departure. I used inverted commas cos these lot are in no way qualified to be proper fans. Like Judas, they're not true followers. Just a bunch of fcukwits, that's all they are.
They see a bird, shag her and when she doesn't give good blowjobs anymore, dump her. Fine, you want to dump someone, do it the gentlemanly way, send her flowers, thank her for all the good shags you once had until it all turned pear-shaped, then bid your adieus. But don't call her a bitch, ditch her and then throw in the 'fuck you very much'. It may make you look 'cool' in front of your twat-like mates, but not to the rest of the world. The world will laugh in your hypocritical faces and accuse your YNWA and 'Liverpool fans are the most loyal bunch' as a fucking joke.
I think it's fairly safe to say that a recognition and appreciation of what Rafa brought to our club has been entirely lost in the last 24 hours. It's definitnely been competely overshadowed by an endless queue of short-sighted posters only to glad to outdo one another in descirbing Rafa's apparent ineptitude as our Manager. Which is a fucking pity.
Like a jilted lover, I've gone through the ensuing denial, and am now ready too to flirt with other options. Unfortunately Roy Hodgson's neither the cocktease, nor the rebound lover I'm desperately in need of. In fact, the more the options get laid out - MON, McLeish, Hughes, etc- the more I miss what we've just lost. Like a fucking sucker, I just sat through thsoe rather shoddily produced youtube efforts in Skully's thread. And like a fucking 14 year old, I got emotional. It was pretty hard not to.
What Rafa achieved for us, has been at best derided recently, at worst - utterly forgotten. How can someone who brought us back to the elite of European and World football be so badly farewelled? It's staggeringly embarassing for a club so proud of it's treatment of its own. If Houllier brought our pride back, Benitez gave us a taste of the glory. The single best nights of my life as a football fan are directly attributed to Benitez, and that's something for me at least to be thankful for. Olympiakos at home. That first half hour against a truly incredible Juventus side. Tactically suffocating them with Nunez and Baros in the side at the Olympic Stadium. That feeling at the final whistle after beating Chelsea in the semi-final. the YNWA from that game. Fuck me what a feeling. Istanbul. Fucking fucking Istanbul. The greatest night of my life as a Liverpool fan. Be careful what you wish for folks, cos we may not experience another Istanbul in our lifetime. Whalloping United at Old Trafford. Putting 6 past Villa, and it could have been 12. Gerrard's volley in the Cup Final. Destroying the mighty Real Madrid home and away. Managing the team at the World Club Final a day after his Father dies, and not saying one word about it. Every single great memory about Liverpool that I've experienced in the last 5 years, I'll still be talking and typing about in 50 years time, cos it was that damn good, and means that damn much.
Like the rest of you, I grew tired of the excuses, the sniping to the Press, him undermining the owners (was that really that unforgivable anyway?), and the increasingly common baffling on and off pitch decisions. But you take the rough with the smooth. If we were offered the chance to experience those highs 5 years ago, and kew that the caveat was a 7th place finish at the end you'd have taken it every day of the week. I would at least.
I'm grateful to the man, I'm upset he's gone. I genuinely do feel that he loved the club. He spoke fondly, often, about the city, the fans, the club, and it was clear to all the respect he had for where he was. That it's come to this is sad, and extremely disappointing. Simialr to Houllier, I'm sure it's as upsetting to him that he hasn't taken us to the ultimate glory. Doesn't mean we can't be grateful for what he did achieve, and the memories of those nights that we will never forget.
Cheers Rafa, YNWA.
[/quote]
Cant say it better than that myself. *applauds*
As usual, the blinkered, tunnel-visioned, extremely shortsighted 'fans' will be jumping in joy celebrating Rafa's departure. I used inverted commas cos these lot are in no way qualified to be proper fans. Like Judas, they're not true followers. Just a bunch of fcukwits, that's all they are.
They see a bird, shag her and when she doesn't give good blowjobs anymore, dump her. Fine, you want to dump someone, do it the gentlemanly way, send her flowers, thank her for all the good shags you once had until it all turned pear-shaped, then bid your adieus. But don't call her a bitch, ditch her and then throw in the 'fuck you very much'. It may make you look 'cool' in front of your twat-like mates, but not to the rest of the world. The world will laugh in your hypocritical faces and accuse your YNWA and 'Liverpool fans are the most loyal bunch' as a fucking joke.
[quote author=My_Blood_Bleeds_Red link=topic=40468.msg1113862#msg1113862 date=1275748002]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40468.msg1112961#msg1112961 date=1275626882]
I think it's fairly safe to say that a recognition and appreciation of what Rafa brought to our club has been entirely lost in the last 24 hours. It's definitnely been competely overshadowed by an endless queue of short-sighted posters only to glad to outdo one another in descirbing Rafa's apparent ineptitude as our Manager. Which is a fucking pity.
Like a jilted lover, I've gone through the ensuing denial, and am now ready too to flirt with other options. Unfortunately Roy Hodgson's neither the cocktease, nor the rebound lover I'm desperately in need of. In fact, the more the options get laid out - MON, McLeish, Hughes, etc- the more I miss what we've just lost. Like a fucking sucker, I just sat through thsoe rather shoddily produced youtube efforts in Skully's thread. And like a fucking 14 year old, I got emotional. It was pretty hard not to.
What Rafa achieved for us, has been at best derided recently, at worst - utterly forgotten. How can someone who brought us back to the elite of European and World football be so badly farewelled? It's staggeringly embarassing for a club so proud of it's treatment of its own. If Houllier brought our pride back, Benitez gave us a taste of the glory. The single best nights of my life as a football fan are directly attributed to Benitez, and that's something for me at least to be thankful for. Olympiakos at home. That first half hour against a truly incredible Juventus side. Tactically suffocating them with Nunez and Baros in the side at the Olympic Stadium. That feeling at the final whistle after beating Chelsea in the semi-final. the YNWA from that game. Fuck me what a feeling. Istanbul. Fucking fucking Istanbul. The greatest night of my life as a Liverpool fan. Be careful what you wish for folks, cos we may not experience another Istanbul in our lifetime. Whalloping United at Old Trafford. Putting 6 past Villa, and it could have been 12. Gerrard's volley in the Cup Final. Destroying the mighty Real Madrid home and away. Managing the team at the World Club Final a day after his Father dies, and not saying one word about it. Every single great memory about Liverpool that I've experienced in the last 5 years, I'll still be talking and typing about in 50 years time, cos it was that damn good, and means that damn much.
Like the rest of you, I grew tired of the excuses, the sniping to the Press, him undermining the owners (was that really that unforgivable anyway?), and the increasingly common baffling on and off pitch decisions. But you take the rough with the smooth. If we were offered the chance to experience those highs 5 years ago, and kew that the caveat was a 7th place finish at the end you'd have taken it every day of the week. I would at least.
I'm grateful to the man, I'm upset he's gone. I genuinely do feel that he loved the club. He spoke fondly, often, about the city, the fans, the club, and it was clear to all the respect he had for where he was. That it's come to this is sad, and extremely disappointing. Simialr to Houllier, I'm sure it's as upsetting to him that he hasn't taken us to the ultimate glory. Doesn't mean we can't be grateful for what he did achieve, and the memories of those nights that we will never forget.
Cheers Rafa, YNWA.
[/quote]
Cant say it better than that myself. *applauds*
As usual, the blinkered, tunnel-visioned, extremely shortsighted 'fans' will be jumping in joy celebrating Rafa's departure. I used inverted commas cos these lot are in no way qualified to be proper fans. Like Judas, they're not true followers. Just a bunch of fcukwits, that's all they are.
They see a bird, shag her and when she doesn't give good blowjobs anymore, dump her. Fine, you want to dump someone, do it the gentlemanly way, send her flowers, thank her for all the good shags you once had until it all turned pear-shaped, then bid your adieus. But don't call her a bitch, ditch her and then throw in the 'fuck you very much'. It may make you look 'cool' in front of your twat-like mates, but not to the rest of the world. The world will laugh in your hypocritical faces and accuse your YNWA and 'Liverpool fans are the most loyal bunch' as a fucking joke.
[/quote]Go and fuck yourself you irksome little shit.
Tell me what kind of fan I am! Stick your rafa and your 7th place and your 19 defeats and your fucking sanctimony up your arse.
Dick.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=40468.msg1112961#msg1112961 date=1275626882]
I think it's fairly safe to say that a recognition and appreciation of what Rafa brought to our club has been entirely lost in the last 24 hours. It's definitnely been competely overshadowed by an endless queue of short-sighted posters only to glad to outdo one another in descirbing Rafa's apparent ineptitude as our Manager. Which is a fucking pity.
Like a jilted lover, I've gone through the ensuing denial, and am now ready too to flirt with other options. Unfortunately Roy Hodgson's neither the cocktease, nor the rebound lover I'm desperately in need of. In fact, the more the options get laid out - MON, McLeish, Hughes, etc- the more I miss what we've just lost. Like a fucking sucker, I just sat through thsoe rather shoddily produced youtube efforts in Skully's thread. And like a fucking 14 year old, I got emotional. It was pretty hard not to.
What Rafa achieved for us, has been at best derided recently, at worst - utterly forgotten. How can someone who brought us back to the elite of European and World football be so badly farewelled? It's staggeringly embarassing for a club so proud of it's treatment of its own. If Houllier brought our pride back, Benitez gave us a taste of the glory. The single best nights of my life as a football fan are directly attributed to Benitez, and that's something for me at least to be thankful for. Olympiakos at home. That first half hour against a truly incredible Juventus side. Tactically suffocating them with Nunez and Baros in the side at the Olympic Stadium. That feeling at the final whistle after beating Chelsea in the semi-final. the YNWA from that game. Fuck me what a feeling. Istanbul. Fucking fucking Istanbul. The greatest night of my life as a Liverpool fan. Be careful what you wish for folks, cos we may not experience another Istanbul in our lifetime. Whalloping United at Old Trafford. Putting 6 past Villa, and it could have been 12. Gerrard's volley in the Cup Final. Destroying the mighty Real Madrid home and away. Managing the team at the World Club Final a day after his Father dies, and not saying one word about it. Every single great memory about Liverpool that I've experienced in the last 5 years, I'll still be talking and typing about in 50 years time, cos it was that damn good, and means that damn much.
Like the rest of you, I grew tired of the excuses, the sniping to the Press, him undermining the owners (was that really that unforgivable anyway?), and the increasingly common baffling on and off pitch decisions. But you take the rough with the smooth. If we were offered the chance to experience those highs 5 years ago, and kew that the caveat was a 7th place finish at the end you'd have taken it every day of the week. I would at least.
I'm grateful to the man, I'm upset he's gone. I genuinely do feel that he loved the club. He spoke fondly, often, about the city, the fans, the club, and it was clear to all the respect he had for where he was. That it's come to this is sad, and extremely disappointing. Simialr to Houllier, I'm sure it's as upsetting to him that he hasn't taken us to the ultimate glory. Doesn't mean we can't be grateful for what he did achieve, and the memories of those nights that we will never forget.
Cheers Rafa, YNWA.
[/quote]
Cant say it better than that myself. *applauds*
As usual, the blinkered, tunnel-visioned, extremely shortsighted 'fans' will be jumping in joy celebrating Rafa's departure. I used inverted commas cos these lot are in no way qualified to be proper fans. Like Judas, they're not true followers. Just a bunch of fcukwits, that's all they are.
They see a bird, shag her and when she doesn't give good blowjobs anymore, dump her. Fine, you want to dump someone, do it the gentlemanly way, send her flowers, thank her for all the good shags you once had until it all turned pear-shaped, then bid your adieus. But don't call her a bitch, ditch her and then throw in the 'fuck you very much'. It may make you look 'cool' in front of your twat-like mates, but not to the rest of the world. The world will laugh in your hypocritical faces and accuse your YNWA and 'Liverpool fans are the most loyal bunch' as a fucking joke.
[/quote]Go and fuck yourself you irksome little shit.
Tell me what kind of fan I am! Stick your rafa and your 7th place and your 19 defeats and your fucking sanctimony up your arse.
Dick.
Enough said.
Oh and sorry I didn't mask my comments with the flowery language that Ryan used.
Oh and sorry I didn't mask my comments with the flowery language that Ryan used.
Whilst I agree with the sentiment Andy, that has to be a warning.
Krissr's post was shit, agreed
Some posters have really covered themselves in glory these last few days, show a bit of grace for fucks sake, he was just a manager who tried to do a job for us, won us a couple of cups but ultimately wasn't what we were looking for. Get over it for fucks sake. No ones asking posters to suck his cock, just act like a fan and show a bit of gratitude and respect.
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I assume so, since Oncy was apologising to him.
It's the kind of post krissr would make tho.
[/quote]No I was apologising to Krissr because it's his ra-ra-rafa is great thread. I don't apologise for the comments. No one has the right to tell someone how they ought act/think as a fan or denigrate them for their percieved lack of fandom.
Anyway, not the place for it. Hence I apologise to Krissr.
I assume so, since Oncy was apologising to him.
It's the kind of post krissr would make tho.
[/quote]No I was apologising to Krissr because it's his ra-ra-rafa is great thread. I don't apologise for the comments. No one has the right to tell someone how they ought act/think as a fan or denigrate them for their percieved lack of fandom.
Anyway, not the place for it. Hence I apologise to Krissr.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40468.msg1113898#msg1113898 date=1275752844]
Some posters have really covered themselves in glory these last few days, show a bit of grace for fucks sake, he was just a manager who tried to do a job for us, won us a couple of cups but ultimately wasn't what we were looking for. Get over it for fucks sake. No ones asking posters to suck his cock, just act like a fan and show a bit of gratitude and respect.
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As long as calling grjt a "cunt" is not included, I agree.
Some posters have really covered themselves in glory these last few days, show a bit of grace for fucks sake, he was just a manager who tried to do a job for us, won us a couple of cups but ultimately wasn't what we were looking for. Get over it for fucks sake. No ones asking posters to suck his cock, just act like a fan and show a bit of gratitude and respect.
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As long as calling grjt a "cunt" is not included, I agree.
[quote author=themn link=topic=40468.msg1113901#msg1113901 date=1275753024]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40468.msg1113898#msg1113898 date=1275752844]
Some posters have really covered themselves in glory these last few days, show a bit of grace for fucks sake, he was just a manager who tried to do a job for us, won us a couple of cups but ultimately wasn't what we were looking for. Get over it for fucks sake. No ones asking posters to suck his cock, just act like a fan and show a bit of gratitude and respect.
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As long as calling grjt a "cunt" is not included, I agree.
[/quote]
lol.. I'm loathed to get in a barny with the Rafa haters, given a few of them I regard as some of the best posters on the site, but anyway, people wanna give him due respect, which he deserves, and as I've said elsewhere, I'm far from his biggest fan but he deserves better than some of the shite that's been posted these last few days.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40468.msg1113898#msg1113898 date=1275752844]
Some posters have really covered themselves in glory these last few days, show a bit of grace for fucks sake, he was just a manager who tried to do a job for us, won us a couple of cups but ultimately wasn't what we were looking for. Get over it for fucks sake. No ones asking posters to suck his cock, just act like a fan and show a bit of gratitude and respect.
[/quote]
As long as calling grjt a "cunt" is not included, I agree.
[/quote]
lol.. I'm loathed to get in a barny with the Rafa haters, given a few of them I regard as some of the best posters on the site, but anyway, people wanna give him due respect, which he deserves, and as I've said elsewhere, I'm far from his biggest fan but he deserves better than some of the shite that's been posted these last few days.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40468.msg1113902#msg1113902 date=1275753221]
[quote author=themn link=topic=40468.msg1113901#msg1113901 date=1275753024]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40468.msg1113898#msg1113898 date=1275752844]
Some posters have really covered themselves in glory these last few days, show a bit of grace for fucks sake, he was just a manager who tried to do a job for us, won us a couple of cups but ultimately wasn't what we were looking for. Get over it for fucks sake. No ones asking posters to suck his cock, just act like a fan and show a bit of gratitude and respect.
[/quote]
As long as calling grjt a "cunt" is not included, I agree.
[/quote]
lol.. I'm loathed to get in a barny with the Rafa haters, given a few of them I regard as some of the best posters on the site, but anyway, people wanna give him due respect, which he deserves, and as I've said elsewhere, I'm far from his biggest fan but he deserves better than some of the shite that's been posted these last few days.
[/quote]
Totally.
I've been ever-so-slightly disgusted by some of the language aimed at Rafa.
[quote author=themn link=topic=40468.msg1113901#msg1113901 date=1275753024]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40468.msg1113898#msg1113898 date=1275752844]
Some posters have really covered themselves in glory these last few days, show a bit of grace for fucks sake, he was just a manager who tried to do a job for us, won us a couple of cups but ultimately wasn't what we were looking for. Get over it for fucks sake. No ones asking posters to suck his cock, just act like a fan and show a bit of gratitude and respect.
[/quote]
As long as calling grjt a "cunt" is not included, I agree.
[/quote]
lol.. I'm loathed to get in a barny with the Rafa haters, given a few of them I regard as some of the best posters on the site, but anyway, people wanna give him due respect, which he deserves, and as I've said elsewhere, I'm far from his biggest fan but he deserves better than some of the shite that's been posted these last few days.
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Totally.
I've been ever-so-slightly disgusted by some of the language aimed at Rafa.
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