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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33378.msg872731#msg872731 date=1243003608]
Anyone noticed that everyday this week there has been a different United player being rolled out to the press with a "please don't leave Carlos" line.
Is it that Fergie is getting desperate and knows that Tevez has lost faith in him, and his team-mates stand a better chance of getting through to him, or is it designed to minimise the backlash of the fans, with Tevez seen as heartlessly dismissing the pleas of his chums?

regards
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They're making it sound like he's doing one on a Bosman too, which he's not - The club don't like him enough to pay the fee they agreed to and thought was fine two years ago.
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33378.msg872698#msg872698 date=1242999703]
I agree. We have seen a lot worse in a first season, I look forward to seeing what he does next season

regards
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Me too. Sitting on the bench, hopefully.
 
Hopfully I'm not quiffing here.

I'm coming around to the idea of Tevez as an option on the left, Kuyt was an out and out striker before he got moved to the right and that is workig out well. Why not have a Kuyt on each wing? We will then also have options for injuries to Torres with Tevez, Kuyt and N'Gog.

My only worry about Tevez is the price, can we take him on loan for two years?
 
I reckon Tevez will want an end to all the uncertainty this summer, which will effectively rule out another loan deal.

Would be good though:

£5M for one season with the option to buy for another £17M at any point would suit me.
 
LFC fans when Tevez joined United
It won't work cos he is similar to Rooney

LFC fans now regarding possible Tevez move to LFC
Tevez is similar to Kuyt
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=33378.msg872767#msg872767 date=1243008137]
I reckon Tevez will want an end to all the uncertainty this summer, which will effectively rule out another loan deal.

Would be good though:

£5M for one season with the option to buy for another £17M at any point would suit me.
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He cant be loaned from a third party any more, there was a rule cange to prevent that type of setup after United got Tevez meaning he has to be purchased by somebody outright this time around. Please let it be us, I think he's an excellent option for anywhere in the attacking 4 and is only going to get better.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=33378.msg871489#msg871489 date=1242842290]
[quote author=singlerider link=topic=33378.msg871351#msg871351 date=1242827867]
I've been on holiday, so could someone condense this into about 4/5 succinct sentences?


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You have more holidays than Judith fucking Chalmers.
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Yeah, but I keep my knickers on
 
[quote author=Asim link=topic=33378.msg872777#msg872777 date=1243009225]
LFC fans when Tevez joined United
It won't work cos he is similar to Rooney

LFC fans now regarding possible Tevez move to LFC
Tevez is similar to Kuyt
[/quote]

but it didn't work. he contributed very little hence a reason (one of several) why fergie won't pay.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=33378.msg872879#msg872879 date=1243024527]
[quote author=Asim link=topic=33378.msg872777#msg872777 date=1243009225]
LFC fans when Tevez joined United
It won't work cos he is similar to Rooney

LFC fans now regarding possible Tevez move to LFC
Tevez is similar to Kuyt
[/quote]

but it didn't work. he contributed very little hence a reason (one of several) why fergie won't pay.
[/quote]

Very difficult for him to compete in a forward line and midfield full of attacking riches...........
Rooney, Tevez, Berbatov, Ronaldo, Park, giggs oh and now Machenda perhaps
We have........
Torres and Gerrard and to a lesser extent - Kuyt

hardlysurprising.com



regards
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=33378.msg872879#msg872879 date=1243024527]
but it didn't work. he contributed very little hence a reason (one of several) why fergie won't pay.
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i think he contributed loads last season, this season he has been a bit part player, thus less contribution. except a few important goals at important times!!
 
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=33378.msg872900#msg872900 date=1243028049]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33378.msg872879#msg872879 date=1243024527]
[quote author=Asim link=topic=33378.msg872777#msg872777 date=1243009225]
LFC fans when Tevez joined United
It won't work cos he is similar to Rooney

LFC fans now regarding possible Tevez move to LFC
Tevez is similar to Kuyt
[/quote]

but it didn't work. he contributed very little hence a reason (one of several) why fergie won't pay.
[/quote]

Very difficult for him to compete in a forward line and midfield full of attacking riches...........
Rooney, Tevez, Berbatov, Ronaldo, Park, giggs oh and now Machenda perhaps
We have........
Torres and Gerrard and to a lesser extent - Kuyt

hardlysurprising.com



regards
[/quote]

ditto.

He has a lot less competition here.

Tevez>N'gog, Voronin, Babel, Nemeth Pacheco etc
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=33378.msg872879#msg872879 date=1243024527]
[quote author=Asim link=topic=33378.msg872777#msg872777 date=1243009225]
LFC fans when Tevez joined United
It won't work cos he is similar to Rooney

LFC fans now regarding possible Tevez move to LFC
Tevez is similar to Kuyt
[/quote]

but it didn't work. he contributed very little hence a reason (one of several) why fergie won't pay.
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He was pivotal in their double winning Team last season. Many United fans think he is better than Rooney.

You only need to see the number of goals he scored late in the game last season, which was one of the main reason they finished up as double winners.

It didn't work?

Really? He has been very much involved with a potential double double winning team.
 
tevezopta.jpg


One of the most obvious differences between Tevez and Berbatov is in what they do in front of goal. Last season, Tevez managed almost twice as many shots in The Premier League as Berbatov has so far, scoring 14 goals to the former Spurs man’s nine, though he had a tendency to convert fewer of his efforts into goal.

However, Berbatov has instead excelled in another area, making nine assists this season so far to Tevez’s six, on top of this making significantly more key passes.

Interestingly, this comes despite the Argentinian having a higher passing accuracy. In terms of linking with his two partners up front, it could be argued that the Bulgaria international is having more success than ex-Hammer Tevez.

Last season, Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez created a combined total of 132 chances for their team-mates, whereas already this season, with Berbatov replacing Tevez, the trio has created 177 chances, implying that they may have forged a stronger understanding with the 28-year old in their midst.

One accusation often leveled at Berbatov is that his work-rate is not as high as Tevez’s and certainly the respective number of tackles they have made would seem to agree with this. However it should not be forgotten that Ferguson’s new front man has made more interceptions, passes and touches per 90 minutes than the Argentine last season, underlining his role as a link-striker.
 
[quote author=madmax link=topic=33378.msg872939#msg872939 date=1243043026]
[quote author=rage link=topic=33378.msg872879#msg872879 date=1243024527]
[quote author=Asim link=topic=33378.msg872777#msg872777 date=1243009225]
LFC fans when Tevez joined United
It won't work cos he is similar to Rooney

LFC fans now regarding possible Tevez move to LFC
Tevez is similar to Kuyt
[/quote]

but it didn't work. he contributed very little hence a reason (one of several) why fergie won't pay.
[/quote]

He was pivotal in their double winning Team last season. Many United fans think he is better than Rooney.

You only need to see the number of goals he scored late in the game last season, which was one of the main reason they finished up as double winners.

It didn't work?

Really? He has been very much involved with a potential double double winning team.
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the reason they've won everything they have is ronaldo and rooney. tevez was as much use as park si whatever of john o gay.

why isn't fergie willing to pay the 25 million or whatever it is? he's seen him play at utd for 2 seasons and clearly thinks they won't miss tevez in staying at the top.

i keep going back to what we need most in a striker - someone who can lead the line instead of torres, can play alongside torres and play in the gerrard role. maybe one player doesn't exist that can do all that, i know i'm not the only one that thinks tevez can't do all three.
 
As you say Rage perhaps that player does not exist, but if he did he would be priceless.
The beauty of Tevez ( is than an Oxymoron?), is that he seems to be very attainable for us. Is probably the right money, should not develop in to a bidding war and would piss United off.
The reasons United are not going for him are not clear, but with the players they have do they really want to , or can they really afford another forward. They thought they could steal the lad for a lot less than he was worth or indeed they had agreed.
The rationale behind bringing him was probably sound. Ronaldo's future was not certain, and they did not foresee how the Berbatov thing might pan-out.
 
The reason that Utd don't want him is simple, it's down to price and the current players that they allready have. We've got 3 very good CB's, if we had another one on loan as well, that would cost a small fortune to sign, then i doubt that we'd want to go ahead and do it either.

It doesn't mean though that just because the scum don't want him, that he couldn't do and excellent job for someone else.
 
I think it boils down to money tho.

No if we're talking about 32 million.

HOwever, with the bridges apparently being burnt...we may have a chance to get him at a really fair price.

All depends.

I'd rather Tevez at 20 million than Silva at 30 million anyway.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=33378.msg872997#msg872997 date=1243070477]
The reason that Utd don't want him is simple, it's down to price and the current players that they allready have. We've got 3 very good CB's, if we had another one on loan as well, that would cost a small fortune to sign, then i doubt that we'd want to go ahead and do it either.

It doesn't mean though that just because the scum don't want him, that he couldn't do and excellent job for someone else.

[/quote]

Quite right. As I said in the Hangeland thread, value is based on the needs of the purchasing club. Tevez isn't enough of a priority for him to be good value to Utd. Particularly as they seem to rate that Italian shitbag.
 
[quote author=Asim link=topic=33378.msg872777#msg872777 date=1243009225]
LFC fans when Tevez joined United
It won't work cos he is similar to Rooney

LFC fans now regarding possible Tevez move to LFC
Tevez is similar to Kuyt
[/quote]

ha ha so true 🙂
 
[quote author=doctor_mac link=topic=33378.msg873002#msg873002 date=1243071028]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=33378.msg872997#msg872997 date=1243070477]
The reason that Utd don't want him is simple, it's down to price and the current players that they allready have. We've got 3 very good CB's, if we had another one on loan as well, that would cost a small fortune to sign, then i doubt that we'd want to go ahead and do it either.

It doesn't mean though that just because the scum don't want him, that he couldn't do and excellent job for someone else.

[/quote]

Quite right. As I said in the Hangeland thread, value is based on the needs of the purchasing club. Tevez isn't enough of a priority for him to be good value to Utd. Particularly as they seem to rate that Italian shitbag.
[/quote]

*Nods head*
 
[quote author=Binny link=topic=33378.msg872942#msg872942 date=1243044330]
tevezopta.jpg


One of the most obvious differences between Tevez and Berbatov is in what they do in front of goal. Last season, Tevez managed almost twice as many shots in The Premier League as Berbatov has so far, scoring 14 goals to the former Spurs man’s nine, though he had a tendency to convert fewer of his efforts into goal.

However, Berbatov has instead excelled in another area, making nine assists this season so far to Tevez’s six, on top of this making significantly more key passes.

Interestingly, this comes despite the Argentinian having a higher passing accuracy. In terms of linking with his two partners up front, it could be argued that the Bulgaria international is having more success than ex-Hammer Tevez.

Last season, Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez created a combined total of 132 chances for their team-mates, whereas already this season, with Berbatov replacing Tevez, the trio has created 177 chances, implying that they may have forged a stronger understanding with the 28-year old in their midst.

One accusation often leveled at Berbatov is that his work-rate is not as high as Tevez’s and certainly the respective number of tackles they have made would seem to agree with this. However it should not be forgotten that Ferguson’s new front man has made more interceptions, passes and touches per 90 minutes than the Argentine last season, underlining his role as a link-striker.
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This post reminded me of my school days. "Here is a table with statistics. Interpret the data and write a conclusion in the space provided below."
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33378.msg873004#msg873004 date=1243071167]
[quote author=Asim link=topic=33378.msg872777#msg872777 date=1243009225]
LFC fans when Tevez joined United
It won't work cos he is similar to Rooney

LFC fans now regarding possible Tevez move to LFC
Tevez is similar to Kuyt
[/quote]

ha ha so true 🙂
[/quote]

This from the very poster who was arguing just recently on here that Tevez offers nothing more than Kuyt....
 
Kuyt's a very good player and if we had a player in the left who could contribute 16 goals, we'd be laughing

Riera has not done enough to keep a place in the starting team
 
Masch keen on Tevez talk

Mascherano keen on linking up with Tevez again

LIVERPOOL (AFP) — Liverpool midfielder Javier Mascherano has told his Argentina team-mate Carlos Tevez to join him at Anfield.

Tevez looks set to leave Manchester United in the close-season after the Premier League champions failed to meet the 32 million pounds transfer fee being demanded by the group of investors who own the forward's economic rights.

Reports in England claim Liverpool are leading the race to sign Tevez and Reds midfielder Mascherano is desperate for the deal to go through.

Argentina captain Mascherano plays alongside Tevez at international level and also had a brief spell with the forward at West Ham in the 2006-07 season, so he knows how much the striker would help Liverpool's bid to dethrone United next season.

Mascherano said: "It would be great to have Carlos here with me, I know how good he is.

"But I don't really know what the situation is, it is certainly a difficult one.

"I don't know exactly what is happening. The only thing I can say is that he is a great player and a great person."

Mascherano will get the chance to persuade Tevez to move to Liverpool Tevez next month when Argentina have two World Cup qualifiers against Columbia and Ecuador.

He said: "I will be with Carlos in the national team shortly, and we know we have to win important games and if we can get six points from our next two matches we will be closer to the World Cup."

Whether they can end up at Anfield together next season is a question for Benitez and Liverpool's American owners.

But it is believed that Tevez does not want to move from his Cheshire home and intends staying in the Premier League if he does eventually leave Manchester United.

Mascherano admits Liverpool's failure to win the title despite losing only two matches was a massive frustration.

He said: "We wanted to win the league and we were very close, but we accept that Manchester United did very well also.

"It is difficult to take, because if you look at the table and you see Liverpool with 86 points, that's enough to win the league in many previous seasons.

"Previous champions have had less points than we had this season. But we have to improve, and we will be ready for next season after what has been a good campaign and better than the last four or five seasons beforehand.

"It is not easy knowing you have really good players and you finish only second, it is difficult to understand.

"We will have to see what happens now. We have the squad to compete in the league, but maybe if some new players came to improve the team it would be great for us next season. It does not need improving too much, maybe a little bit.

"We need to improve at home. We dropped a lot of points at home because we didn't have that experience to finish the games, but next season we will have the experience and maybe it will be better for us.

"You can see against the top sides we almost beat all of them. But at home we dropped a lot of points against Hull, Manchester City and Fulham.

"Winning those points could have won us the league."

Link
 
Re: Masch keen on Tevez talk

[quote author=Paddy link=topic=33746.msg874800#msg874800 date=1243268013]
Post it in the fucking tevez thread.
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let the mods move it if they want
 
Re: Masch keen on Tevez talk

[quote author=rebel23 link=topic=33746.msg874804#msg874804 date=1243268100]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=33746.msg874800#msg874800 date=1243268013]
Post it in the fucking tevez thread.
[/quote]

let the mods move it if they want

[/quote]

sorry
 
Re: Masch keen on Tevez talk

It's alright, he can link up with Tevez when he fucks off to Italy at the end of next season.
 
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