Tevez (this years Barry thread?)

[Rosco]

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=33378.msg871577#msg871577 date=1242852931]
Yeah, I would have thought sn to Ross, good point. Either way I think UEFA and the EU wants to set a presendence about 3rd party involvment. The kind of deal Msi and kia have had, wont be legal. That may happen sooner rather than later.
[/quote]

I'd like to see it sorted as well. It's a ridiculous situation, one not really envisioned when rules were originally put in place.

The Premier League have changed their rules, third party owned players can no longer play in the Premiership.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33378.msg871154#msg871154 date=1242814792]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33378.msg871141#msg871141 date=1242814322]
But that is the dilemma. Someone of Torres' quality won't want to tolerate being back-up for long. So out steps someone of Voronin's quality behind him, saying, 'Where I sign? Please? Where is pen?' It'll take incredible luck and hard work to land the right man. If by some freakish good fortune Tevez's disinclination to leave the country means he'll put up with playing no more often than he did for the mancs, well, it's probably our best chance.
[/quote]

He would play far more often, because he will play in the wide left attacking position that Steptoe and Casper have been sharing this season. At United he was up against Ronaldo and Rooney, who are both capable of playing left, right or centrally, and there's nobody of their calibre in our squad.

And occasionally up front centrally with/ behind/ instead of Torres

He's pretty versatile is Tevez.
[/quote]

The left-mid position?

I doubt it. Riera plays more often than not cos he provides fantastic cover for the full-back, works both ways, and has a good left foot. I'm not saying Tevez can't or won't do any of that, but it's not his proer game is it? Rooney's happy to play that role cos he see's himself as more of an all-rounder, but Tevez is a frontman first and foremost.

If Tevez is being bought for the left-midfield position, then we're wasting him.

 

[Glock21]

Break the club transfer record on Tevez or Eto'o? I'd rather have Eto'o.

 

[TheBunnyman]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33378.msg871643#msg871643 date=1242864774]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33378.msg871154#msg871154 date=1242814792]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33378.msg871141#msg871141 date=1242814322]
But that is the dilemma. Someone of Torres' quality won't want to tolerate being back-up for long. So out steps someone of Voronin's quality behind him, saying, 'Where I sign? Please? Where is pen?' It'll take incredible luck and hard work to land the right man. If by some freakish good fortune Tevez's disinclination to leave the country means he'll put up with playing no more often than he did for the mancs, well, it's probably our best chance.
[/quote]

He would play far more often, because he will play in the wide left attacking position that Steptoe and Casper have been sharing this season. At United he was up against Ronaldo and Rooney, who are both capable of playing left, right or centrally, and there's nobody of their calibre in our squad.

And occasionally up front centrally with/ behind/ instead of Torres

He's pretty versatile is Tevez.
[/quote]

The left-mid position?

I doubt it. Riera plays more often than not cos he provides fantastic cover for the full-back, works both ways, and has a good left foot. I'm not saying Tevez can't or won't do any of that, but it's not his proer game is it? Rooney's happy to play that role cos he see's himself as more of an all-rounder, but Tevez is a frontman first and foremost.

If Tevez is being bought for the left-midfield position, then we're wasting him.
[/quote]

If we're buying Tevez, I can't see where else he's going to play on a regular basis. Riera is the one glaring weakness in our starting XI - so our summer's big signing is surely going to be designed to replace him. As you say, it's not his ideal position - which is a big part of why I'd prefer Silva there.

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=Glock link=topic=33378.msg871670#msg871670 date=1242873424]
Break the club transfer record on Tevez or Eto'o? I'd rather have Eto'o.
[/quote]

We know Glock. It kind of sinks in after you've said a thousand times how much you want to bum Eto'o.

 

[Mors]

[quote author=Glock link=topic=33378.msg871670#msg871670 date=1242873424]
Break the club transfer record on Tevez or Eto'o? I'd rather have Eto'o.
[/quote]

Glock mate, I think you need to forget Eto'o. I'd have him in a blink over Tevez too. But, he's scored a goal a game this season so his value would be sky high and he'd have queue of clubs rich in cash if he did go up for sale, with whom we couldn't compete. Also, he wants to stay at Barca, and Barca will offer him a contract at the end of the season.

 

[Y1]

why are we still dreaming of Tevez & Eto?

The trails are all getting cold.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33378.msg871643#msg871643 date=1242864774]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33378.msg871154#msg871154 date=1242814792]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33378.msg871141#msg871141 date=1242814322]
But that is the dilemma. Someone of Torres' quality won't want to tolerate being back-up for long. So out steps someone of Voronin's quality behind him, saying, 'Where I sign? Please? Where is pen?' It'll take incredible luck and hard work to land the right man. If by some freakish good fortune Tevez's disinclination to leave the country means he'll put up with playing no more often than he did for the mancs, well, it's probably our best chance.
[/quote]

He would play far more often, because he will play in the wide left attacking position that Steptoe and Casper have been sharing this season. At United he was up against Ronaldo and Rooney, who are both capable of playing left, right or centrally, and there's nobody of their calibre in our squad.

And occasionally up front centrally with/ behind/ instead of Torres

He's pretty versatile is Tevez.
[/quote]

The left-mid position?

I doubt it. Riera plays more often than not cos he provides fantastic cover for the full-back, works both ways, and has a good left foot. I'm not saying Tevez can't or won't do any of that, but it's not his proer game is it? Rooney's happy to play that role cos he see's himself as more of an all-rounder, but Tevez is a frontman first and foremost.

If Tevez is being bought for the left-midfield position, then we're wasting him.
[/quote]

you'd assume tevez would be part of a 'floating' front four. he isn't a winger and wouldn't be performing a wingers role. if insua is going to be forst choice next season you'd expect the 'width' to come from there. silva is more of a traditional winger but I'd definately rather see tevez arrive than silva I think the former is far more effective in the final third.

 

[Mors]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33378.msg871643#msg871643 date=1242864774]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33378.msg871154#msg871154 date=1242814792]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33378.msg871141#msg871141 date=1242814322]
But that is the dilemma. Someone of Torres' quality won't want to tolerate being back-up for long. So out steps someone of Voronin's quality behind him, saying, 'Where I sign? Please? Where is pen?' It'll take incredible luck and hard work to land the right man. If by some freakish good fortune Tevez's disinclination to leave the country means he'll put up with playing no more often than he did for the mancs, well, it's probably our best chance.
[/quote]

He would play far more often, because he will play in the wide left attacking position that Steptoe and Casper have been sharing this season. At United he was up against Ronaldo and Rooney, who are both capable of playing left, right or centrally, and there's nobody of their calibre in our squad.

And occasionally up front centrally with/ behind/ instead of Torres

He's pretty versatile is Tevez.
[/quote]

The left-mid position?

I doubt it. Riera plays more often than not cos he provides fantastic cover for the full-back, works both ways, and has a good left foot. I'm not saying Tevez can't or won't do any of that, but it's not his proer game is it? Rooney's happy to play that role cos he see's himself as more of an all-rounder, but Tevez is a frontman first and foremost.

If Tevez is being bought for the left-midfield position, then we're wasting him.
[/quote]

?

Fantastic cover full the full back?
Works both ways?

Not sure I've been watching the same Steptoe this season then mate. He's got hardly any end product, spends too much time and the ball and trying to beat a man - ending up more often than not getting dumped on his arse, and has been dropped by Rafa quite a lot as of late for the above reasons I presume.
I don't think I've seen a tackle out of him this season or getting back and helping in the box, unlike Kuyt that does the lot.

 

[LadyRed]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33378.msg871859#msg871859 date=1242897409]
you'd assume tevez would be part of a 'floating' front four. he isn't a winger and wouldn't be performing a wingers role. if insua is going to be forst choice next season you'd expect the 'width' to come from there. silva is more of a traditional winger but I'd definately rather see tevez arrive than silva I think the former is far more effective in the final third.
[/quote]

I'd agree with that.

Ideally we'd be buying one person to play in the left and another as cover for Torres. However, it would be hard to entice anyone of the desired quality to come simply as back up, plus we have restricted finances, therefore to go for a more flexible option, like Tevez, makes perfect sense.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

[quote author=Mors link=topic=33378.msg871950#msg871950 date=1242906220]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33378.msg871643#msg871643 date=1242864774]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33378.msg871154#msg871154 date=1242814792]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33378.msg871141#msg871141 date=1242814322]
But that is the dilemma. Someone of Torres' quality won't want to tolerate being back-up for long. So out steps someone of Voronin's quality behind him, saying, 'Where I sign? Please? Where is pen?' It'll take incredible luck and hard work to land the right man. If by some freakish good fortune Tevez's disinclination to leave the country means he'll put up with playing no more often than he did for the mancs, well, it's probably our best chance.
[/quote]

He would play far more often, because he will play in the wide left attacking position that Steptoe and Casper have been sharing this season. At United he was up against Ronaldo and Rooney, who are both capable of playing left, right or centrally, and there's nobody of their calibre in our squad.

And occasionally up front centrally with/ behind/ instead of Torres

He's pretty versatile is Tevez.
[/quote]

The left-mid position?

I doubt it. Riera plays more often than not cos he provides fantastic cover for the full-back, works both ways, and has a good left foot. I'm not saying Tevez can't or won't do any of that, but it's not his proer game is it? Rooney's happy to play that role cos he see's himself as more of an all-rounder, but Tevez is a frontman first and foremost.

If Tevez is being bought for the left-midfield position, then we're wasting him.
[/quote]

?

Fantastic cover full the full back?
Works both ways?

Not sure I've been watching the same Steptoe this season then mate. He's got hardly any end product, spends too much time and the ball and trying to beat a man - ending up more often than not getting dumped on his arse, and has been dropped by Rafa quite a lot as of late for the above reasons I presume.
I don't think I've seen a tackle out of him this season or getting back and helping in the box, unlike Kuyt that does the lot.
[/quote]

Then I suggest you have been watching the wrong man Mors old chap

regards

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=Mors link=topic=33378.msg871950#msg871950 date=1242906220]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33378.msg871643#msg871643 date=1242864774]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33378.msg871154#msg871154 date=1242814792]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33378.msg871141#msg871141 date=1242814322]
But that is the dilemma. Someone of Torres' quality won't want to tolerate being back-up for long. So out steps someone of Voronin's quality behind him, saying, 'Where I sign? Please? Where is pen?' It'll take incredible luck and hard work to land the right man. If by some freakish good fortune Tevez's disinclination to leave the country means he'll put up with playing no more often than he did for the mancs, well, it's probably our best chance.
[/quote]

He would play far more often, because he will play in the wide left attacking position that Steptoe and Casper have been sharing this season. At United he was up against Ronaldo and Rooney, who are both capable of playing left, right or centrally, and there's nobody of their calibre in our squad.

And occasionally up front centrally with/ behind/ instead of Torres

He's pretty versatile is Tevez.
[/quote]

The left-mid position?

I doubt it. Riera plays more often than not cos he provides fantastic cover for the full-back, works both ways, and has a good left foot. I'm not saying Tevez can't or won't do any of that, but it's not his proer game is it? Rooney's happy to play that role cos he see's himself as more of an all-rounder, but Tevez is a frontman first and foremost.

If Tevez is being bought for the left-midfield position, then we're wasting him.
[/quote]

?

Fantastic cover full the full back?
Works both ways?

Not sure I've been watching the same Steptoe this season then mate. He's got hardly any end product, spends too much time and the ball and trying to beat a man - ending up more often than not getting dumped on his arse, and has been dropped by Rafa quite a lot as of late for the above reasons I presume.
I don't think I've seen a tackle out of him this season or getting back and helping in the box, unlike Kuyt that does the lot.
[/quote]

Mors, what are the fuck are you on about?

 

[Mors]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33378.msg872409#msg872409 date=1242951574]
[quote author=Mors link=topic=33378.msg871950#msg871950 date=1242906220]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33378.msg871643#msg871643 date=1242864774]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33378.msg871154#msg871154 date=1242814792]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33378.msg871141#msg871141 date=1242814322]
But that is the dilemma. Someone of Torres' quality won't want to tolerate being back-up for long. So out steps someone of Voronin's quality behind him, saying, 'Where I sign? Please? Where is pen?' It'll take incredible luck and hard work to land the right man. If by some freakish good fortune Tevez's disinclination to leave the country means he'll put up with playing no more often than he did for the mancs, well, it's probably our best chance.
[/quote]

He would play far more often, because he will play in the wide left attacking position that Steptoe and Casper have been sharing this season. At United he was up against Ronaldo and Rooney, who are both capable of playing left, right or centrally, and there's nobody of their calibre in our squad.

And occasionally up front centrally with/ behind/ instead of Torres

He's pretty versatile is Tevez.
[/quote]

The left-mid position?

I doubt it. Riera plays more often than not cos he provides fantastic cover for the full-back, works both ways, and has a good left foot. I'm not saying Tevez can't or won't do any of that, but it's not his proer game is it? Rooney's happy to play that role cos he see's himself as more of an all-rounder, but Tevez is a frontman first and foremost.

If Tevez is being bought for the left-midfield position, then we're wasting him.
[/quote]

?

Fantastic cover full the full back?
Works both ways?

Not sure I've been watching the same Steptoe this season then mate. He's got hardly any end product, spends too much time and the ball and trying to beat a man - ending up more often than not getting dumped on his arse, and has been dropped by Rafa quite a lot as of late for the above reasons I presume.
I don't think I've seen a tackle out of him this season or getting back and helping in the box, unlike Kuyt that does the lot.
[/quote]

Mors, what are the fuck are you on about?
[/quote]

I dont rate him at all. Granted he's scored a couple of good goals, but he goes missing more than Garcia did.
Not consistent enough. If your go have fuck all end product, then you need to be Kuyt and working your bollocks off in other areas, Reira doesn't offer that. Needs selling or replacing for next season and I think Rafa knows that.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=Mors link=topic=33378.msg872473#msg872473 date=1242972110]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33378.msg872409#msg872409 date=1242951574]
[quote author=Mors link=topic=33378.msg871950#msg871950 date=1242906220]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33378.msg871643#msg871643 date=1242864774]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=33378.msg871154#msg871154 date=1242814792]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=33378.msg871141#msg871141 date=1242814322]
But that is the dilemma. Someone of Torres' quality won't want to tolerate being back-up for long. So out steps someone of Voronin's quality behind him, saying, 'Where I sign? Please? Where is pen?' It'll take incredible luck and hard work to land the right man. If by some freakish good fortune Tevez's disinclination to leave the country means he'll put up with playing no more often than he did for the mancs, well, it's probably our best chance.
[/quote]

He would play far more often, because he will play in the wide left attacking position that Steptoe and Casper have been sharing this season. At United he was up against Ronaldo and Rooney, who are both capable of playing left, right or centrally, and there's nobody of their calibre in our squad.

And occasionally up front centrally with/ behind/ instead of Torres

He's pretty versatile is Tevez.
[/quote]

The left-mid position?

I doubt it. Riera plays more often than not cos he provides fantastic cover for the full-back, works both ways, and has a good left foot. I'm not saying Tevez can't or won't do any of that, but it's not his proer game is it? Rooney's happy to play that role cos he see's himself as more of an all-rounder, but Tevez is a frontman first and foremost.

If Tevez is being bought for the left-midfield position, then we're wasting him.
[/quote]

?

Fantastic cover full the full back?
Works both ways?

Not sure I've been watching the same Steptoe this season then mate. He's got hardly any end product, spends too much time and the ball and trying to beat a man - ending up more often than not getting dumped on his arse, and has been dropped by Rafa quite a lot as of late for the above reasons I presume.
I don't think I've seen a tackle out of him this season or getting back and helping in the box, unlike Kuyt that does the lot.
[/quote]

Mors, what are the fuck are you on about?
[/quote]

I dont rate him at all. Granted he's scored a couple of good goals, but he goes missing more than Garcia did.
Not consistent enough. If your go have fuck all end product, then you need to be Kuyt and working your bollocks off in other areas, Reira doesn't offer that. Needs selling or replacing for next season and I think Rafa knows that.
[/quote]

Are you trying to claim that he doesn't provide good cover for the full-back?
Are you claiming he doesn't work hard?

 

[Mors]

Are you trying to claim that he doesn't provide good cover for the full-back?
Are you claiming he doesn't work hard?

Yes and yes.

I'm sure I'm getting mixed up with Kuyt here. Cos Kuyt graft his nuts off every single game and is always back helping out Arbeloa. Whereas Steptoe swans up the left wing, tries to bedazzle 6 players then gives the ball away more often than not. He's also that skinny strip of piss one.

I'd have Benayoun on my left wing any day of the fucking week over Riera.

 

[Ryan]

[quote author=Mors link=topic=33378.msg872476#msg872476 date=1242972554]

Are you trying to claim that he doesn't provide good cover for the full-back?
Are you claiming he doesn't work hard?

Yes and yes.

I'm sure I'm getting mixed up with Kuyt here. Cos Kuyt graft his nuts off every single game and is always back helping out Arbeloa. Whereas Steptoe swans up the left wing, tries to bedazzle 6 players then gives the ball away more often than not. He's also that skinny strip of piss one.

I'd have Benayoun on my left wing any day of the fucking week over Riera.
[/quote]

I'm happy to let anyone extol the merits of Benayoun or anyone else for that matter over Riera. I'm also happy to let anyone decide Riera doesn't do enough with the ball, doesn't score enough goals, etc etc... BUT toc laim he doesn't provide support to the full-back, doesn't work the flank, doesn't get involved in the dirty work, and doesn't put in the effort is absolute fucking shite.

You've obviously no idea how we play.

 

[Mors]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33378.msg872478#msg872478 date=1242972910]
[quote author=Mors link=topic=33378.msg872476#msg872476 date=1242972554]

Are you trying to claim that he doesn't provide good cover for the full-back?
Are you claiming he doesn't work hard?

Yes and yes.

I'm sure I'm getting mixed up with Kuyt here. Cos Kuyt graft his nuts off every single game and is always back helping out Arbeloa. Whereas Steptoe swans up the left wing, tries to bedazzle 6 players then gives the ball away more often than not. He's also that skinny strip of piss one.

I'd have Benayoun on my left wing any day of the fucking week over Riera.
[/quote]

I'm happy to let anyone extol the merits of Benayoun or anyone else for that matter over Riera. I'm also happy to let anyone decide Riera doesn't do enough with the ball, doesn't score enough goals, etc etc... BUT toc laim he doesn't provide support to the full-back, doesn't work the flank, doesn't get involved in the dirty work, and doesn't put in the effort is absolute fucking shite.

You've obviously no idea how we play.
[/quote]

No, I've not Ryan, and you do, obviously.

I'm not 100% what you mean by 'cover for the fullback' either? Do you mean that when the Fullback bombs forward and is getting involved in attacking play, then Riera easily slots into the LB position? Because if you think Riera does well at LB.......

As for working the flank - Yes, he runs about a bit so I'll give you that.

Dirty work? We talking wet wednesday night games, sliding across the floor? Or are we talking some sort of shit going down in the showers after the game?

 

[Ryan]

Does this cunt irritate anyone else?

 

[Mors]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33378.msg872493#msg872493 date=1242973951]
Does this cunt irritate anyone else?
[/quote]

Call for help boy? Poor the Ryan.

We'll agree to disagree - you think Reira's ace, I'd rather have Benayoun or Babel out there thanks. We'll call it a day at that.

This thread was about Tevez anyway.

 

[Hansern]

Ha, Ive read through the replies and still can't grasp what he's on about. Riera has given our team much needed balance in both attack and defence. Thats one factor in why our team have looked much more composed.

As for the pressing and sliding tackles, yes he does that asxwell. My only issue about Riera is pace, but he compencates for the lack of it in many other areas.

 

[rage]

riera's done fuck all to merit the number of games he's played. below average and we all saw his level after a bright start. squad option at best but if we do sell him i bet we won't get back what we paid for him. another panic buy by rafa just like babel was the season before. the best part of 20 million wasted on two average players in the same position.

tevez playing the left of a 4231 won't work either unless we buy two world class full backs.

 

[cochyn]

[quote author=Mors link=topic=33378.msg872494#msg872494 date=1242974871]
Call for help boy? Poor the Ryan.

We'll agree to disagree - you think Reira's ace, I'd rather have Benayoun or Babel out there thanks. We'll call it a day at that.

This thread was about Tevez anyway.
[/quote]

What an embarrasing response?

 

[refugee]

[quote author=Ryan link=topic=33378.msg872478#msg872478 date=1242972910]
[quote author=Mors link=topic=33378.msg872476#msg872476 date=1242972554]

Are you trying to claim that he doesn't provide good cover for the full-back?
Are you claiming he doesn't work hard?

Yes and yes.

I'm sure I'm getting mixed up with Kuyt here. Cos Kuyt graft his nuts off every single game and is always back helping out Arbeloa. Whereas Steptoe swans up the left wing, tries to bedazzle 6 players then gives the ball away more often than not. He's also that skinny strip of piss one.

I'd have Benayoun on my left wing any day of the fucking week over Riera.
[/quote]

I'm happy to let anyone extol the merits of Benayoun or anyone else for that matter over Riera. I'm also happy to let anyone decide Riera doesn't do enough with the ball, doesn't score enough goals, etc etc... BUT toc laim he doesn't provide support to the full-back, doesn't work the flank, doesn't get involved in the dirty work, and doesn't put in the effort is absolute fucking shite.

You've obviously no idea how we play.
[/quote]

Correct, Mors is talking shite.

 

[spider-Neil]

riera's end product is non existant but to suggest he doesn't work back or tackle is a little silly.

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33378.msg872689#msg872689 date=1242999198]
riera's end product is non existant but to suggest he doesn't work back or tackle is a little silly.
[/quote]

I think it's also unfair to say his end product is non existant.

He started the season really well and gave us obvious (previously lacking) balance to the side and weighed in with the odd goal and assist for good measure. Granted, he's gone off the boil towards the end of the season but for 6m he's proven a decent acquisition and valuable squad player.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

I agree. We have seen a lot worse in a first season, I look forward to seeing what he does next season

regards

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Buddha link=topic=33378.msg872696#msg872696 date=1242999571]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=33378.msg872689#msg872689 date=1242999198]
riera's end product is non existant but to suggest he doesn't work back or tackle is a little silly.
[/quote]

I think it's also unfair to say his end product is non existant.

He started the season really well and gave us obvious (previously lacking) balance to the side and weighed in with the odd goal and assist for good measure. Granted, he's gone off the boil towards the end of the season but for 6m he's proven a decent acquisition and valuable squad player.
[/quote]

three league goals despite all the starts.
riera = non existant end product.

 

[kule]

Surely this is all for nothing anyways - anyone remember how much of a saga there was when we were after Heinze? No way is ManU going to let us get Tevez, especially considering how well we did this season.

 

[refugee]

[quote author=kule link=topic=33378.msg872709#msg872709 date=1243000661]
Surely this is all for nothing anyways - anyone remember how much of a saga there was when we were after Heinze? No way is ManU going to let us get Tevez, especially considering how well we did this season.
[/quote]

United owned Heinze, however they don't own Tevez.

 

[Vlads Quiff]

Anyone noticed that everyday this week there has been a different United player being rolled out to the press with a "please don't leave Carlos" line.
Is it that Fergie is getting desperate and knows that Tevez has lost faith in him, and his team-mates stand a better chance of getting through to him, or is it designed to minimise the backlash of the fans, with Tevez seen as heartlessly dismissing the pleas of his chums?

regards