Swingers & swinging...
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[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589448#msg589448 date=1212701926]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=24077.msg589441#msg589441 date=1212701066]
They called you a beer?
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No but I fancy one. Got Stella and Kronenberg in the fridge. Can't decide...
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Castlemaine
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=24077.msg589441#msg589441 date=1212701066]
They called you a beer?
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No but I fancy one. Got Stella and Kronenberg in the fridge. Can't decide...
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Castlemaine
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=24077.msg589451#msg589451 date=1212702173]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589448#msg589448 date=1212701926]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=24077.msg589441#msg589441 date=1212701066]
They called you a beer?
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No but I fancy one. Got Stella and Kronenberg in the fridge. Can't decide...
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Castlemaine
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Do they still make that stuff. I used to love it when i was at Uni. Crate of 4X and a packet of fags. Nice.
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589448#msg589448 date=1212701926]
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=24077.msg589441#msg589441 date=1212701066]
They called you a beer?
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No but I fancy one. Got Stella and Kronenberg in the fridge. Can't decide...
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Castlemaine
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Do they still make that stuff. I used to love it when i was at Uni. Crate of 4X and a packet of fags. Nice.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg589323#msg589323 date=1212692242]
[quote author=Asim link=topic=24077.msg589245#msg589245 date=1212689691]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg589236#msg589236 date=1212689422]
We've already established that something can't be racist unless it infers that you are inferior on account of your race.
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You decided that Ross...not 'we'
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So the law counts for nothing.
WTF?
If we do not define what is right or wrong by using our laws what the hell do we use?
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I didnt say that, there are many things that are 'law' that I may disagree with DB.
I will abide by it, cos I dont wish to end up in prison etc but I dont agree with everything.
[quote author=Asim link=topic=24077.msg589245#msg589245 date=1212689691]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg589236#msg589236 date=1212689422]
We've already established that something can't be racist unless it infers that you are inferior on account of your race.
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You decided that Ross...not 'we'
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So the law counts for nothing.
WTF?
If we do not define what is right or wrong by using our laws what the hell do we use?
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I didnt say that, there are many things that are 'law' that I may disagree with DB.
I will abide by it, cos I dont wish to end up in prison etc but I dont agree with everything.
RE the points discussed, Rosco is using the rigid template for racism and foureyes his own life experience.
As mentioned I dont think Rog is racist, but the phrase used has a racial undertone that much is clear, and I think thats the point Ross...
It is offensive with a racial undertone.
Rog you are upset someone called you racist even though you are from a minority background?
And??
people from ethnic minorities can also be racist, it's not something exclusive to white people.
As for 'jokes/jibes' with a racial undertone, people don't have to look further than some of Hoozs posts!
As mentioned I dont think Rog is racist, but the phrase used has a racial undertone that much is clear, and I think thats the point Ross...
It is offensive with a racial undertone.
Rog you are upset someone called you racist even though you are from a minority background?
And??
people from ethnic minorities can also be racist, it's not something exclusive to white people.
As for 'jokes/jibes' with a racial undertone, people don't have to look further than some of Hoozs posts!
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg589205#msg589205 date=1212688106]
Again, it is only a racial slur if it infers that you're inferior because of your race , not if it merely makes reference to your race. Why don't you get this ?
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Sweet Jesus.
He doesn't get it because it's wrong, Ross.
Pick any racist slur. Just the word. Let's take the worst one of them all. The N word by itself does not infer inferiority. By your definition, it's ok to use it, because it's only offensive, not racial. And don't throw 'loaded word' at me... That's not mentioned anywhere in the legalese you've shared.
Nor do some of the other slurs that refer to folks of different cultures... Words that start with S or W or any other letter do not alone signify inferiority. BUt they're still as racist at Sheiky's avy.
"You (insert racial slur) prick" does not infer inferiority, so much as the fact that the subject of the sentense is a prick... So, it not really racist then. Except for the racial slur part.
That definition is insane.
Again, it is only a racial slur if it infers that you're inferior because of your race , not if it merely makes reference to your race. Why don't you get this ?
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Sweet Jesus.
He doesn't get it because it's wrong, Ross.
Pick any racist slur. Just the word. Let's take the worst one of them all. The N word by itself does not infer inferiority. By your definition, it's ok to use it, because it's only offensive, not racial. And don't throw 'loaded word' at me... That's not mentioned anywhere in the legalese you've shared.
Nor do some of the other slurs that refer to folks of different cultures... Words that start with S or W or any other letter do not alone signify inferiority. BUt they're still as racist at Sheiky's avy.
"You (insert racial slur) prick" does not infer inferiority, so much as the fact that the subject of the sentense is a prick... So, it not really racist then. Except for the racial slur part.
That definition is insane.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg589313#msg589313 date=1212691745]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=24077.msg589230#msg589230 date=1212689250]
The first thing that strikes me when reading through, is the fact that Foureyes, for most of the thread has had to justify/explain why he's offended, like it requires a rationalisation.
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Not you too.
Nobody and I mean nobody is questioning his right to be offended. This is about whether or not what was said was racist and it clearly is not.
Anyways back on topic.
Would you swing Anita?
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How is a jibe that is based around the cultural background of the target "clearly" NOT racist?
Why can you not understand that you do not get to tell somebody that a racially based comment aimed at them wasn't really racist, even if they took it that way, because they're too thin skinned.
Roger may not be a racist. But his comment was of a racial nature. As Anita said somewhere back there, he wouldn't have used that particular phrase, where 4Is an Italian. So the comment was based around his background. His culture. His RACE.
Therefore...
Question: Were 4Is openly gay, and roger had said "are you gonna throw your handbag at me?" or something similar, would you be arguing the same basic point?
Which is basically that it doesn't matter what you think, just toughen up about it.
[quote author=Anita link=topic=24077.msg589230#msg589230 date=1212689250]
The first thing that strikes me when reading through, is the fact that Foureyes, for most of the thread has had to justify/explain why he's offended, like it requires a rationalisation.
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Not you too.
Nobody and I mean nobody is questioning his right to be offended. This is about whether or not what was said was racist and it clearly is not.
Anyways back on topic.
Would you swing Anita?
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How is a jibe that is based around the cultural background of the target "clearly" NOT racist?
Why can you not understand that you do not get to tell somebody that a racially based comment aimed at them wasn't really racist, even if they took it that way, because they're too thin skinned.
Roger may not be a racist. But his comment was of a racial nature. As Anita said somewhere back there, he wouldn't have used that particular phrase, where 4Is an Italian. So the comment was based around his background. His culture. His RACE.
Therefore...
Question: Were 4Is openly gay, and roger had said "are you gonna throw your handbag at me?" or something similar, would you be arguing the same basic point?
Which is basically that it doesn't matter what you think, just toughen up about it.
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=24077.msg589515#msg589515 date=1212728358]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg589205#msg589205 date=1212688106]
Again, it is only a racial slur if it infers that you're inferior because of your race , not if it merely makes reference to your race. Why don't you get this ?
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Sweet Jesus.
He doesn't get it because it's wrong, Ross.
Pick any racist slur. Just the word. Let's take the worst one of them all. The N word by itself does not infer inferiority. By your definition, it's ok to use it, because it's only offensive, not racial. And don't throw 'loaded word' at me... That's not mentioned anywhere in the legalese you've shared.
Nor do some of the other slurs that refer to folks of different cultures... Words that start with S or W or any other letter do not alone signify inferiority. BUt they're still as racist at Sheiky's avy.
"You (insert racial slur) prick" does not infer inferiority, so much as the fact that the subject of the sentense is a prick... So, it not really racist then. Except for the racial slur part.
That definition is insane.
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No you're misunderstanding it.
Probably deliberately
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg589205#msg589205 date=1212688106]
Again, it is only a racial slur if it infers that you're inferior because of your race , not if it merely makes reference to your race. Why don't you get this ?
[/quote]
Sweet Jesus.
He doesn't get it because it's wrong, Ross.
Pick any racist slur. Just the word. Let's take the worst one of them all. The N word by itself does not infer inferiority. By your definition, it's ok to use it, because it's only offensive, not racial. And don't throw 'loaded word' at me... That's not mentioned anywhere in the legalese you've shared.
Nor do some of the other slurs that refer to folks of different cultures... Words that start with S or W or any other letter do not alone signify inferiority. BUt they're still as racist at Sheiky's avy.
"You (insert racial slur) prick" does not infer inferiority, so much as the fact that the subject of the sentense is a prick... So, it not really racist then. Except for the racial slur part.
That definition is insane.
[/quote]
No you're misunderstanding it.
Probably deliberately
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=24077.msg589515#msg589515 date=1212728358]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg589205#msg589205 date=1212688106]
Again, it is only a racial slur if it infers that you're inferior because of your race , not if it merely makes reference to your race. Why don't you get this ?
[/quote]
Sweet Jesus.
He doesn't get it because it's wrong, Ross.
Pick any racist slur. Just the word. Let's take the worst one of them all. The N word by itself does not infer inferiority. By your definition, it's ok to use it, because it's only offensive, not racial. And don't throw 'loaded word' at me... That's not mentioned anywhere in the legalese you've shared.
Nor do some of the other slurs that refer to folks of different cultures... Words that start with S or W or any other letter do not alone signify inferiority. BUt they're still as racist at Sheiky's avy.
"You (insert racial slur) prick" does not infer inferiority, so much as the fact that the subject of the sentense is a prick... So, it not really racist then. Except for the racial slur part.
That definition is insane.
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Thank you. That, in a nutshell is all I have been trying to say to Ross the the last few days.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg589205#msg589205 date=1212688106]
Again, it is only a racial slur if it infers that you're inferior because of your race , not if it merely makes reference to your race. Why don't you get this ?
[/quote]
Sweet Jesus.
He doesn't get it because it's wrong, Ross.
Pick any racist slur. Just the word. Let's take the worst one of them all. The N word by itself does not infer inferiority. By your definition, it's ok to use it, because it's only offensive, not racial. And don't throw 'loaded word' at me... That's not mentioned anywhere in the legalese you've shared.
Nor do some of the other slurs that refer to folks of different cultures... Words that start with S or W or any other letter do not alone signify inferiority. BUt they're still as racist at Sheiky's avy.
"You (insert racial slur) prick" does not infer inferiority, so much as the fact that the subject of the sentense is a prick... So, it not really racist then. Except for the racial slur part.
That definition is insane.
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Thank you. That, in a nutshell is all I have been trying to say to Ross the the last few days.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg589543#msg589543 date=1212735554]
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=24077.msg589515#msg589515 date=1212728358]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg589205#msg589205 date=1212688106]
Again, it is only a racial slur if it infers that you're inferior because of your race , not if it merely makes reference to your race. Why don't you get this ?
[/quote]
Sweet Jesus.
He doesn't get it because it's wrong, Ross.
Pick any racist slur. Just the word. Let's take the worst one of them all. The N word by itself does not infer inferiority. By your definition, it's ok to use it, because it's only offensive, not racial. And don't throw 'loaded word' at me... That's not mentioned anywhere in the legalese you've shared.
Nor do some of the other slurs that refer to folks of different cultures... Words that start with S or W or any other letter do not alone signify inferiority. BUt they're still as racist at Sheiky's avy.
"You (insert racial slur) prick" does not infer inferiority, so much as the fact that the subject of the sentense is a prick... So, it not really racist then. Except for the racial slur part.
That definition is insane.
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No you're misunderstanding it.
Probably deliberately
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Nah, sorry Rosco. He's got it perfectly. It's so simple it's untrue.
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=24077.msg589515#msg589515 date=1212728358]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=24077.msg589205#msg589205 date=1212688106]
Again, it is only a racial slur if it infers that you're inferior because of your race , not if it merely makes reference to your race. Why don't you get this ?
[/quote]
Sweet Jesus.
He doesn't get it because it's wrong, Ross.
Pick any racist slur. Just the word. Let's take the worst one of them all. The N word by itself does not infer inferiority. By your definition, it's ok to use it, because it's only offensive, not racial. And don't throw 'loaded word' at me... That's not mentioned anywhere in the legalese you've shared.
Nor do some of the other slurs that refer to folks of different cultures... Words that start with S or W or any other letter do not alone signify inferiority. BUt they're still as racist at Sheiky's avy.
"You (insert racial slur) prick" does not infer inferiority, so much as the fact that the subject of the sentense is a prick... So, it not really racist then. Except for the racial slur part.
That definition is insane.
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No you're misunderstanding it.
Probably deliberately
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Nah, sorry Rosco. He's got it perfectly. It's so simple it's untrue.
[quote author=Roger REDerer link=topic=24077.msg589383#msg589383 date=1212696051]
30 pages of garbage.
Brilliant.
And yet not one person has given a shite how I felt about the whole matter.
Do you know how it feels when someone accuses you of being a racist ? Especially when I'm supposedly a minority ethnicity too myself ?
It fcuking infuriating I'll tell ya. But I'm not allowed to argue my stance across cos the replies I'll get from foureyes would be nothing but infantile, playground insults.
His retaliatory insults to my 'onion bajhee thrower' comments were far, far more offensive and yet nobody picked up on that.
He claimed that an individual should always be given the advantage to decide if something said to him was offensive or not, regardless of the true intention of the perpetrator. Yet for a person who has spent the entire past 3 days (and 30 pages) demanding for sympathy and TLC, is nothing more than a hypocrite himself by dishing out an equal, if not worse, treatment to the perpetrator, me.
I called you an onion bajhee thrower and that gives you the right to call me a retard ? And fuck you for slyly twisting my words in front of the mass audience as well. I didn't call you onion bajhee thrower in the literal sense. I simply made it as part of a joke about you being able to do kungfu. Even a thicko could see that. The majority of the forum could see that, yet you blindly and ignorantly deny yourself another viewpoint.
Well what if I were to tell you that someone dear to me has cerebral palsy and that the term 'retard' offends and brings a great deal of hurt to me ? Are you gonna apologize and give me the benefit of the doubt ?
To hell you will.
You claim I'm an attention seeker yet you're the biggest contributor to this thread and there's no sign of you stopping either.
I'll tell you what you really are, of which nobody has dared to say it, in fear of sparking another lengthy argument.
You're nothing but an attention-seeking, double-standards, ultra-sensitive, hypocritical crybaby who has spent 30 pages contradicting yourself. That's who you really are. And the sad part is, you know it yourself deep-down too but because you're so deep in the hole you've dug for yourself, the only saving grace for you is to fight your cause until everyone's bored and the whole debate fizzles out by itself.
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Racist...
30 pages of garbage.
Brilliant.
And yet not one person has given a shite how I felt about the whole matter.
Do you know how it feels when someone accuses you of being a racist ? Especially when I'm supposedly a minority ethnicity too myself ?
It fcuking infuriating I'll tell ya. But I'm not allowed to argue my stance across cos the replies I'll get from foureyes would be nothing but infantile, playground insults.
His retaliatory insults to my 'onion bajhee thrower' comments were far, far more offensive and yet nobody picked up on that.
He claimed that an individual should always be given the advantage to decide if something said to him was offensive or not, regardless of the true intention of the perpetrator. Yet for a person who has spent the entire past 3 days (and 30 pages) demanding for sympathy and TLC, is nothing more than a hypocrite himself by dishing out an equal, if not worse, treatment to the perpetrator, me.
I called you an onion bajhee thrower and that gives you the right to call me a retard ? And fuck you for slyly twisting my words in front of the mass audience as well. I didn't call you onion bajhee thrower in the literal sense. I simply made it as part of a joke about you being able to do kungfu. Even a thicko could see that. The majority of the forum could see that, yet you blindly and ignorantly deny yourself another viewpoint.
Well what if I were to tell you that someone dear to me has cerebral palsy and that the term 'retard' offends and brings a great deal of hurt to me ? Are you gonna apologize and give me the benefit of the doubt ?
To hell you will.
You claim I'm an attention seeker yet you're the biggest contributor to this thread and there's no sign of you stopping either.
I'll tell you what you really are, of which nobody has dared to say it, in fear of sparking another lengthy argument.
You're nothing but an attention-seeking, double-standards, ultra-sensitive, hypocritical crybaby who has spent 30 pages contradicting yourself. That's who you really are. And the sad part is, you know it yourself deep-down too but because you're so deep in the hole you've dug for yourself, the only saving grace for you is to fight your cause until everyone's bored and the whole debate fizzles out by itself.
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Racist...
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588850#msg588850 date=1212669258]
[quote author=Hooz link=topic=24077.msg588844#msg588844 date=1212668838]
I think it's unanimous: Foureyes should fuck off back to where he came from.
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Birmingham?
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I'd keep quiet about that.
[quote author=Hooz link=topic=24077.msg588844#msg588844 date=1212668838]
I think it's unanimous: Foureyes should fuck off back to where he came from.
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Birmingham?
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I'd keep quiet about that.
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=24077.msg589516#msg589516 date=1212729499]
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg589313#msg589313 date=1212691745]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=24077.msg589230#msg589230 date=1212689250]
The first thing that strikes me when reading through, is the fact that Foureyes, for most of the thread has had to justify/explain why he's offended, like it requires a rationalisation.
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Not you too.
Nobody and I mean nobody is questioning his right to be offended. This is about whether or not what was said was racist and it clearly is not.
Anyways back on topic.
Would you swing Anita?
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How is a jibe that is based around the cultural background of the target "clearly" NOT racist?
Why can you not understand that you do not get to tell somebody that a racially based comment aimed at them wasn't really racist, even if they took it that way, because they're too thin skinned.
Roger may not be a racist. But his comment was of a racial nature. As Anita said somewhere back there, he wouldn't have used that particular phrase, where 4Is an Italian. So the comment was based around his background. His culture. His RACE.
Therefore...
Question: Were 4Is openly gay, and roger had said "are you gonna throw your handbag at me?" or something similar, would you be arguing the same basic point?
Which is basically that it doesn't matter what you think, just toughen up about it.
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Good point. Now if I were to make that jibe at a gay person and they took offence to it, do I really have the right to tell them to shut up and be less sensitive? I don't think so personally. That person may have had the 'handbag' jibe thrown at them constantly for the last 30years or so, so of course they will be offended by it, even though some people may say the comment wasn't that offensive. I'd apologise and accept their point of view. It's not for me to judge what they do or don't find offensive.
[quote author=Dreambeliever link=topic=24077.msg589313#msg589313 date=1212691745]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=24077.msg589230#msg589230 date=1212689250]
The first thing that strikes me when reading through, is the fact that Foureyes, for most of the thread has had to justify/explain why he's offended, like it requires a rationalisation.
[/quote]
Not you too.
Nobody and I mean nobody is questioning his right to be offended. This is about whether or not what was said was racist and it clearly is not.
Anyways back on topic.
Would you swing Anita?
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How is a jibe that is based around the cultural background of the target "clearly" NOT racist?
Why can you not understand that you do not get to tell somebody that a racially based comment aimed at them wasn't really racist, even if they took it that way, because they're too thin skinned.
Roger may not be a racist. But his comment was of a racial nature. As Anita said somewhere back there, he wouldn't have used that particular phrase, where 4Is an Italian. So the comment was based around his background. His culture. His RACE.
Therefore...
Question: Were 4Is openly gay, and roger had said "are you gonna throw your handbag at me?" or something similar, would you be arguing the same basic point?
Which is basically that it doesn't matter what you think, just toughen up about it.
[/quote]
Good point. Now if I were to make that jibe at a gay person and they took offence to it, do I really have the right to tell them to shut up and be less sensitive? I don't think so personally. That person may have had the 'handbag' jibe thrown at them constantly for the last 30years or so, so of course they will be offended by it, even though some people may say the comment wasn't that offensive. I'd apologise and accept their point of view. It's not for me to judge what they do or don't find offensive.
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=24077.msg589556#msg589556 date=1212736792]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588850#msg588850 date=1212669258]
[quote author=Hooz link=topic=24077.msg588844#msg588844 date=1212668838]
I think it's unanimous: Foureyes should fuck off back to where he came from.
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Birmingham?
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I'd keep quiet about that.
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Er, why? I don't get it.
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588850#msg588850 date=1212669258]
[quote author=Hooz link=topic=24077.msg588844#msg588844 date=1212668838]
I think it's unanimous: Foureyes should fuck off back to where he came from.
[/quote]
Birmingham?
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I'd keep quiet about that.
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Er, why? I don't get it.
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589558#msg589558 date=1212736893]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=24077.msg589556#msg589556 date=1212736792]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588850#msg588850 date=1212669258]
[quote author=Hooz link=topic=24077.msg588844#msg588844 date=1212668838]
I think it's unanimous: Foureyes should fuck off back to where he came from.
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Birmingham?
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I'd keep quiet about that.
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Er, why? I don't get it.
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Why would anyone admit from being from Brum? ;D
Do you have that awful accent? Kipper tie....
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=24077.msg589556#msg589556 date=1212736792]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588850#msg588850 date=1212669258]
[quote author=Hooz link=topic=24077.msg588844#msg588844 date=1212668838]
I think it's unanimous: Foureyes should fuck off back to where he came from.
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Birmingham?
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I'd keep quiet about that.
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Er, why? I don't get it.
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Why would anyone admit from being from Brum? ;D
Do you have that awful accent? Kipper tie....
Swinging is surely for people who are not fully satisfied with their partners and need something extra to maintain the relationship. I think it is basically an indication that the relationship would not survive without it. Which inevevitably raises questions over a couple's commitment to one another.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=24077.msg589568#msg589568 date=1212737336]
Swinging is surely for people who are not fully satisfied with their partners and need something extra to maintain the relationship. I think it is basically an indication that the relationship would not survive without it. Which inevevitably raises questions over a couple's commitment to one another.
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We discussing racism and offensive behaviour now Del. Oh and how you shouldn't admit to being from Brum. ;D
Keep up.
Swinging is surely for people who are not fully satisfied with their partners and need something extra to maintain the relationship. I think it is basically an indication that the relationship would not survive without it. Which inevevitably raises questions over a couple's commitment to one another.
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We discussing racism and offensive behaviour now Del. Oh and how you shouldn't admit to being from Brum. ;D
Keep up.
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=24077.msg589572#msg589572 date=1212737616]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=24077.msg589568#msg589568 date=1212737336]
Swinging is surely for people who are not fully satisfied with their partners and need something extra to maintain the relationship. I think it is basically an indication that the relationship would not survive without it. Which inevevitably raises questions over a couple's commitment to one another.
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We discussing racism and offensive behaviour now Del. Oh and how you shouldn't admit to being from Brum. ;D
Keep up.
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I've been reading the thread backwards ever since I posted that and I realise how irrelevant it must seem now! Damn me for staying on topic. I should've known by now that a 30+ page thread would have veered off topic ages ago. I feel stupid and ashamed.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=24077.msg589568#msg589568 date=1212737336]
Swinging is surely for people who are not fully satisfied with their partners and need something extra to maintain the relationship. I think it is basically an indication that the relationship would not survive without it. Which inevevitably raises questions over a couple's commitment to one another.
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We discussing racism and offensive behaviour now Del. Oh and how you shouldn't admit to being from Brum. ;D
Keep up.
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I've been reading the thread backwards ever since I posted that and I realise how irrelevant it must seem now! Damn me for staying on topic. I should've known by now that a 30+ page thread would have veered off topic ages ago. I feel stupid and ashamed.
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[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589558#msg589558 date=1212736893]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=24077.msg589556#msg589556 date=1212736792]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588850#msg588850 date=1212669258]
[quote author=Hooz link=topic=24077.msg588844#msg588844 date=1212668838]
I think it's unanimous: Foureyes should fuck off back to where he came from.
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Birmingham?
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I'd keep quiet about that.
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Er, why? I don't get it.
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Why would anyone admit from being from Brum? ;D
Do you have that awful accent? Kipper tie....
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Ha ha. No accent thank god. Not even an asian one...
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589558#msg589558 date=1212736893]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=24077.msg589556#msg589556 date=1212736792]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588850#msg588850 date=1212669258]
[quote author=Hooz link=topic=24077.msg588844#msg588844 date=1212668838]
I think it's unanimous: Foureyes should fuck off back to where he came from.
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Birmingham?
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I'd keep quiet about that.
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Er, why? I don't get it.
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Why would anyone admit from being from Brum? ;D
Do you have that awful accent? Kipper tie....
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Ha ha. No accent thank god. Not even an asian one...
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[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=24077.msg589572#msg589572 date=1212737616]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=24077.msg589568#msg589568 date=1212737336]
Swinging is surely for people who are not fully satisfied with their partners and need something extra to maintain the relationship. I think it is basically an indication that the relationship would not survive without it. Which inevevitably raises questions over a couple's commitment to one another.
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We discussing racism and offensive behaviour now Del. Oh and how you shouldn't admit to being from Brum. ;D
Keep up.
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I've been reading the thread backwards ever since I posted that and I realise how irrelevant it must seem now! Damn me for staying on topic. I should've known by now that a 30+ page thread would have veered off topic ages ago. I feel stupid and ashamed.
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Yes, yes, but are you from Birmingham? ;D
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=24077.msg589572#msg589572 date=1212737616]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=24077.msg589568#msg589568 date=1212737336]
Swinging is surely for people who are not fully satisfied with their partners and need something extra to maintain the relationship. I think it is basically an indication that the relationship would not survive without it. Which inevevitably raises questions over a couple's commitment to one another.
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We discussing racism and offensive behaviour now Del. Oh and how you shouldn't admit to being from Brum. ;D
Keep up.
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I've been reading the thread backwards ever since I posted that and I realise how irrelevant it must seem now! Damn me for staying on topic. I should've known by now that a 30+ page thread would have veered off topic ages ago. I feel stupid and ashamed.
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Yes, yes, but are you from Birmingham? ;D
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589580#msg589580 date=1212738145]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=24077.msg589564#msg589564 date=1212737156]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589558#msg589558 date=1212736893]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=24077.msg589556#msg589556 date=1212736792]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588850#msg588850 date=1212669258]
[quote author=Hooz link=topic=24077.msg588844#msg588844 date=1212668838]
I think it's unanimous: Foureyes should fuck off back to where he came from.
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Birmingham?
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I'd keep quiet about that.
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Er, why? I don't get it.
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Why would anyone admit from being from Brum? ;D
Do you have that awful accent? Kipper tie....
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Ha ha. No accent thank god. Not even an asian one...
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You're mute? 😱
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=24077.msg589564#msg589564 date=1212737156]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg589558#msg589558 date=1212736893]
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=24077.msg589556#msg589556 date=1212736792]
[quote author=foureyes link=topic=24077.msg588850#msg588850 date=1212669258]
[quote author=Hooz link=topic=24077.msg588844#msg588844 date=1212668838]
I think it's unanimous: Foureyes should fuck off back to where he came from.
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Birmingham?
[/quote]
I'd keep quiet about that.
[/quote]
Er, why? I don't get it.
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Why would anyone admit from being from Brum? ;D
Do you have that awful accent? Kipper tie....
[/quote]
Ha ha. No accent thank god. Not even an asian one...
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You're mute? 😱
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[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=24077.msg589058#msg589058 date=1212678839]
Ok, I don't think it's human nature to base prejudices on race, people may do so depending on their society and upbringing. I do think making judgements on people due to their appearance(height, weight, gestures etc). is inbred in us, whether we even realise them or not.
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I think race does come into for alot of people too though from my travels.
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I'm sure it does. But it's not natural, it's through social conditioning that people are racist.
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=24077.msg589058#msg589058 date=1212678839]
Ok, I don't think it's human nature to base prejudices on race, people may do so depending on their society and upbringing. I do think making judgements on people due to their appearance(height, weight, gestures etc). is inbred in us, whether we even realise them or not.
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I think race does come into for alot of people too though from my travels.
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I'm sure it does. But it's not natural, it's through social conditioning that people are racist.
[quote author=Anita link=topic=24077.msg589272#msg589272 date=1212690440]
Incidentally, Roger is a simpleton.
His comment in itself was not racist, his conduct since has proven him to be the moron that his is.
His choice of words certainly had a suggestion. If Foureyes was white, he would not have chosen 'onion bhaji's', his choice of words was deliberate and calculated.
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I disagree, I think it was racist, because of the intent behind it.
In my opinion, and I think said this to you or Asim before, that for a comment to be racist, there has to be:
1) firstly the comment is based on race
2) a intent to be derogatory behind it.
It ticks both those boxes. I don't see how anyone can really argue different, the only thing that could be argued is that foureyes should have been thicker skinned, but I think the argument has moved on past that particular insult anyway.
Incidentally, Roger is a simpleton.
His comment in itself was not racist, his conduct since has proven him to be the moron that his is.
His choice of words certainly had a suggestion. If Foureyes was white, he would not have chosen 'onion bhaji's', his choice of words was deliberate and calculated.
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I disagree, I think it was racist, because of the intent behind it.
In my opinion, and I think said this to you or Asim before, that for a comment to be racist, there has to be:
1) firstly the comment is based on race
2) a intent to be derogatory behind it.
It ticks both those boxes. I don't see how anyone can really argue different, the only thing that could be argued is that foureyes should have been thicker skinned, but I think the argument has moved on past that particular insult anyway.
