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No. No-one can prove a negative, so expecting someone to do so makes no sense. Only someone making a positive statement can be asked to prove it, and the bolded bit shows that you're saying most do get in the first team squad at 19, so that someone is you.

So in other words what you're getting at here is anyone can say "Most 19 year olds aren't even close to the first team" but when someone else questions the authenticy of that statement...apparently you can't? Because it's a "negative statement"?

Sorry but what?
 
So in other words what you're getting at here is anyone can say "Most 19 year olds aren't even close to the first team" but when someone else questions the authenticy of that statement...apparently you can't? Because it's a "negative statement"?

Sorry but what?

I'm not confident this will help you, but here goes.

When someone makes a statement and someone else says "That's not true", only the first guy can reasonably be told "Prove it". The second guy is alleging the absence of something (namely evidence) and asking him to prove that is nonsensical, a bit like asking somebody to "prove" what's in the middle of a Polo mint.

In this thread the first guy is you, insisting that most 19-year-olds do get in their first team squads. Froggy's the second guy, saying (rightly in my view and that of most other sentient human beings on here) that you don't have the evidence for your claim. He's got bugger all to prove. That burden's squarely on you.
 
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In 2013, The Independent predicted this lineup for 2022. Yes, some of those were done by injuries but, blimey, what about the rest of them?
 
If you assembled that line up now, they'd struggle to beat Luxembourg.

But in reality would be impossible to do seeing as 1 is retired, 1 plays at AFCON and the other 9 are semi retired,
 
Binomial.
Go and add up every single player in the under21 teams of some of the top or even second tier football clubs.
Then add up all regular senior first team starting 19 year olds from the same leagues and teams.
What do the numbers look like?
Now go find your dictionary and see what ‘most’ means.
 
Binomial.
Go and add up every single player in the under21 teams of some of the top or even second tier football clubs.
Then add up all regular senior first team starting 19 year olds from the same leagues and teams.
What do the numbers look like?
Now go find your dictionary and see what ‘most’ means.

But you don't even know what they look like either so you can't tell me to look in a dictionary....u21 football is different, we were talking about senior football.

Go back and look what was said Junior I never said most do or don't, I was questioning how someone could throw that out there they have no clue about....they don't know if the % of
 
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We're currently in period of transition between two systems, but there will be a longer-term plan to evolve further once Salah departs, and that can potentially favour both Nunez and Elliott. The Salah contract renewal has complicated the evolution of the side, as now we're forced to play a system which provides chances to our top two threats. The irony here is that Salah and Elliott clearly have a great relationship both off and on the field, but from a footballing perspective, we will likely see the best of Elliott once Salah departs.

Even the most optimistic Liverpool fan would accept that Nunez is unlikely to morph into a clever link up player, or one who will create chances for himself out of nothing. He's got a lot of raw tools in his locker, but that's not who he is as a footballer. Nunez needs to be getting on the end of moves rather than the one starting them. To create this, we will likely have to boost out creative output in the middle of the park, with more technically able CM's, who can use clever movement and maintain possession for longer periods. Klopp recently said that Nunez would have scored a lot more goals if he was playing with the Man City side than a Liverpool side. He's right, and this may provide some insight into how we want to use Nunez in the future.

Elliott is another who would shine more in City's current set up than our own. Intelligent, technically able AMs thrive when combined with others. They can pass-and-move and cause all sorts of chaos, whilst knowing their ability to hold onto the ball will reduce the chances of a turnover and allow them to be more fluid in their play. We haven't really got these. We've got Thiago, who has all the skills, but he's more of an architect from the holding position, and then Henderson, Milner and Keita, who are left-overs from a high-pressing, workman like midfield. This is a bit of a reach, because Klopp may well not be here, but I think it's likely we'll morph into a fluid 4-2-3-1, with attacking midfielders buzzing around Nunez, who will be the focal point of this fluidity. If we do reach this final form, then we'll be getting the best out of both Elliott and Nunez, and potentially Carvalho, too.
 
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In 2013, The Independent predicted this lineup for 2022. Yes, some of those were done by injuries but, blimey, what about the rest of them?

Who the fuck is Chuba Akpom?

Can he play at Right Back?
 
Wtf is possession adjusted buildup? Has to be the biggest load of shit I've ever heard.

Always coming up with these new irrelevant stats, for what?
 
I like Elliot. The thought that these stats prove conclusively that he is only a little bit better than Alex Awobi is a little upsetting.
I trust one of our fans will be throwing Harvey's shirt back at him on Boxing Day.
 
Wtf is possession adjusted buildup? Has to be the biggest load of shit I've ever heard.

Always coming up with these new irrelevant stats, for what?

It's not something new. The term "possession adjusted" was first mentioned in 2014. The initial intention is to calculate defensive statistics to take possession values into account because "you can only make defensive contribution when you're not in the possession of the ball."

https://statsbomb.com/articles/soccer/introducing-possession-adjusted-player-stats/

https://dataglossary.wyscout.com/p_adj/

https://www.ladumaanalytics.co.za/2021/02/19/possession-adjusted-stats/
 
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Look at those defensive stats, the assist and pass completion stats are horrible for a midfielder. He's far from ready to play for LFC
 
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Look at those defensive stats, the assist and pass completion stats are horrible for a midfielder. He's far from ready to play for LFC

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Check out this shite midfielder - his defensive stats are even worse - imagine having him in your midfield.

What a waste of space Kevin de Bruyne must be, eh @Modo?
 
Oh look - here’s Bernardo Silva… another shit midfielder.

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Oh this is looking better!!!!! This is more what we need in midfield!!!

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Do you think Everton might sell us Alex Iwobi this month???
 
Look at his attacking stats. At least he's contributed somewhere.

I will concede that Harvey Elliot has not been arguably the best attacking midfielder in the world for the last 4 or 5 seasons.
 
Is it supposed to be good?

You tell me - you brought up the stats to tell us how shit Harvey was.l at passing and defensively.

By your metric then Iwobi would be better than Silva, De Bruyne & Elliot.

I mean you could have just picked selective stats to suit your argument - you’ll get a right stiffy when you see how bad Henderson’s comparable stats are!!!
 
Q: should harvey elliot play as a central, right, defensive or attacking midfielder ? please pick one only

ChatGPT: It is difficult to say definitively which position would be best for Harvey Elliott, as different players excel in different roles and it is also important to consider the specific tactics and needs of a team. Ultimately, the best position for Elliott will depend on his own strengths and the role that he is most comfortable and effective in.

That being said, based on his skill set and the roles he has played in the past, it is possible that Elliott could excel as an attacking midfielder. This position requires a player to be creative, have good dribbling skills, and be able to score goals, all of which are strengths that Elliott has shown in his career so far. However, it is ultimately up to the team's manager and coaching staff to decide where he is best suited to play based on the team's needs and the overall tactics they are looking to employ.
 
Yeet him.

Isn't and won't be good enough in a klopp system

I don’t know what that means - is it line pulling his underpants up really high & fast, so it burns his crackhole?
 
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