We need an overhaul, give his minutes to Carvalho who is better technically...maybe use him in a player + cash deal for someone like Macallister or Rice.
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We need an overhaul, give his minutes to Carvalho who is better technically...maybe use him in a player + cash deal for someone like Macallister or Rice.
I don't agree with Thiago, but you may have your reasons, But why Elliot...??
Thiago is a super player, on the ball not many midfielders come close but as I've said many times he's a luxury we can't afford to accommodate in the team
the way we want to play, it simply doesn't work.
See few posts above RE: Elliott.
You didn’t notice anyone because you were in work.
He was our best midfielder when he came on and actually tried closing down. He’s the only one who had a shot on target in the second half.
Doesn't stop me from being able to catch up....I do have free time to use up as well.
"our best midfielder when he came on" wow what a take.....is that after Milner had come off? leaving just Fab as the only other recognised midfielder? So when you say he was "our best midfielder" really what you mean by that is he played better than a over the hill Fabinho who looks like he should be anywhere else but on a football pitch? & no Ox doesn't fucking count.
Why so angry?
The bar was low but to say you didn’t notice him is plain stupid.
The bar was low but to say you didn’t notice him is plain stupid.
Strongly disagree. That would be the Rafa years all over again. We've won what we've won these past few years precisely because we DIDN'T go down that blind alley but held out for Virgil and Alisson.
Come on mate - don’t get all thoughtful and balanced.
Didn’t you know we’re doomed unless we get new owners, new coaching staff, new stats team, new medical team, new RB, at least 3 new CB’s, at least 6 new midfielders, 1 or 2 new forwards, an entire squad of the best new young players and somebody new to start match threads.
Depends what you mean by doomed though doesn't it.....this season has proved this group of players cannot go on to win anything more unless we do those things
you mockingly think we shouldn't do.
& we never wouldv'e had the success we did had we not racked in 200m from Barca on our 2 best players so lets see if FSG can put their money where their mouth is when our best players are 30+ and tied down to long term contracts, on massive doe, which no club will look to take off us.
Between 2010-2016 we did nothing under their ownership....wasn't until Klopp and his team came in did we get a grip of things.
you mockingly think we shouldn't do.
& we never wouldv'e had the success we did had we not racked in 200m from Barca on our 2 best players so lets see if FSG can put their money where their mouth is when our best players are 30+ and tied down to long term contracts, on massive doe, which no club will look to take off us.
Between 2010-2016 we did nothing under their ownership....wasn't until Klopp and his team came in did we get a grip of things.
So you'd rather Jude over two similarly talented players - just the next cost bracket down?
We need 2, if not 3, midfielders to continue playing Klopp's 4-3-3 ...
You're willing to risk another year on Fabinho/Hendo/Thiago health?
Had we signed our #2 option last year, instead of Tchouameni, we'd be in a better place ... we did what?
Not a risk, but a receipt for disaster and the FSG casual fan boys turning their nose and accepting anything but success with a shrug of their shoulders.
Sorry, old pal, that doesn't make sense. If they were similarly talented they wouldn't be the next cost bracket down. For sure we need a number of reinforcements, not just Jude, but definitely not instead of him either.
Sure they would be - we could have signed the Ajax CM - who's a level below Tchouameni (who's basically world class) - but we followed the '1st place or nada' approach.
When we were one of the best teams in the world, was Hendo one of the top CMs in the world? Nah. Gini? Nah. Fabinho? Yup, became that.
So for our system to work well - we don't necessarily need world class midfielders - we need healthy, hard working and intelligent CMs ... 2 or 3 of them will make us a better team than one JUde and the midfielders we currently have.
Even if that's true (and I'm not as convinced as you that it is) it won't make us a team that gets back to winning the big prizes, especially now that the defence behind them isn't what it was. We signed any number of healthy, hard-working and intelligent CMs during our years of drift. "First place or nada" is what brought us back to top level. Abandon it now and, even if (IF) we improve a bit, we stay below that level. Jude alone won't be enough, but neither will 2 or 3 nearly men without him.
Ok, so if we don't get Jude and our #2 target (I hope we have 2 midfield target) - which means we cannot sign anyone else based on your preferred approach - how are we competing with this midfield going forward?
We need to ensure CL footy as the base is re-built imo ...
Disclaimer:
My suggestions does not mean Klopp will go for it... so don't freak out!
Trent shouldn't be at RB -
Get
Frimpong €40m
Kone €30m
Jude €130m
Anton Stach €10m
Ndiki - Free
Kamada - Free
Thuram - Free
Khvicha Kvaratskhelia €120m
Total of €330m
Sell Jota (€70m) and or Salah €100m (If PSG come in for him), Gomez €50m, Matip €5m (That raises between €155-225m)
My suggestions does not mean Klopp will go for it... so don't freak out!
Trent shouldn't be at RB -
Get
Frimpong €40m
Kone €30m
Jude €130m
Anton Stach €10m
Ndiki - Free
Kamada - Free
Thuram - Free
Khvicha Kvaratskhelia €120m
Total of €330m
Sell Jota (€70m) and or Salah €100m (If PSG come in for him), Gomez €50m, Matip €5m (That raises between €155-225m)
We are in a different phase than the team which needed selective addition of Virgil and Allison though. We are closer to the beginning of the Klopp era than the team which destroyed everything in front of them. We need bodies now. Depending on our budget we maybe better off focusing on a few Gini's than one Jude.
To be fair, Rafa had always maintained his hands were tied.
Meanwhile Klopp has access to and can afford at least 99% of the players out there. It's only that 1% superstar level players which oil money secures them more often than not. If we spend the entire summer chasing after Jude again, and he leaves for Real eventually (Tchouaméni 2.0), we will be royally fucked.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...red-Jurgen-Klopp-signs-40m-players-BENCH.html
Lads, you're Jude B, and his Dad. You could go to Man City, London, Real Madrid, you were interested in Liverpool, and maybe even have a soft spot for them. But you would command less wages for Liverpool. And you would win less. Why would you go? Klopp's set-up is the main reason, but it seems on the wane.
There's also some kind of management maelstrom at the club. I just don't see a rational actor picking us. We had a shot last season. When we were cream of the crop. But not now.
"Liverpool? less money? Less trophies? I'm in!", said no big name ever.
So can we move on and discuss the other targets
There's also some kind of management maelstrom at the club. I just don't see a rational actor picking us. We had a shot last season. When we were cream of the crop. But not now.
"Liverpool? less money? Less trophies? I'm in!", said no big name ever.
So can we move on and discuss the other targets
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I don't agree that we're in a different phase. Before those two arrived that team was no closer to winning big than we are now. It may (MAY) be that adding a few lesser players would improve our current form, but it would not take us back to the big time and that seems a pretty short-sighted approach to me.
Agree the last bit, but ensuring CL requires CL quality. Jude is at that level. Taking a flier on however many players who may not be at that level will not get us there. This we know from bitter past experience.
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Look at it another way, Niall. At Citeh or Real you may well not be a guaranteed starter, still less a leading figure in the squad and, being a bright lad from a good family, you might not rush to premature judgment about Klopp's set-up being on the wane 😉. Some players like a challenge, the way Milner did for example when Citeh were offering him more than we did to stay with them. I'm not in a position to guarantee that Jude will come to us, but there's no way it's impossible.
It's not impossible but much less likely than it was. And seeing the massive gaps in midfield I think I would rather have three 40m players than one 120m one. I think you could make the case for spending shit loads on a great young CB than CM at the minute. Was Fabinho about 40m? Three of that order would be great.
Agreed, even 3x50m players if our recruitment is up to it.....just a Jude Bellingham isn't gonna fix a thing.
They say quality over quantity.....predicament we find ourselves in right now is the only exception to that & it's not exactly like you can't get quality in with 50m right? 😗
If one of my boys were lucky enough to be in this situation it would be such a complicated decision. You’d definitely want to know the answer to some questions, particularly how long each of the managers will be staying, how much trouble City will be in with the premier league investigation and how much money Liverpool will be spending.
Imo Liverpool with a combination of clauses to get him out in a couple of years should the club not be competitive sounds pretty attractive. As does hoovering up trophies at City. I’d be wary of how things went with Bale in Madrid and not be overly arsed about them.
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