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[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46259.msg1371751#msg1371751 date=1311885235]
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46259.msg1371670#msg1371670 date=1311879046]
LB because i honestly think Kelly will end up at CB.
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He's too timid to play centre back. (at the minute)
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Bollocks
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46259.msg1371670#msg1371670 date=1311879046]
LB because i honestly think Kelly will end up at CB.
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He's too timid to play centre back. (at the minute)
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Bollocks
[quote author=Hardcastle link=topic=46259.msg1371338#msg1371338 date=1311850356]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46259.msg1371334#msg1371334 date=1311849969]
Dont understand the question, tbh but my answer would be Aquaman and Maxi.
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MOTHER FUCKING LOL!
You pulled an absolute DB out of the hat there mate!
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but as you were
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46259.msg1371334#msg1371334 date=1311849969]
Dont understand the question, tbh but my answer would be Aquaman and Maxi.
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MOTHER FUCKING LOL!
You pulled an absolute DB out of the hat there mate!
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but as you were
Dont understand the question. Id say 42 though. Yeah, definitely 42.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=46259.msg1371376#msg1371376 date=1311855080]
Centre-back all day long. Carra's into his twilight years, Skrtel has rough edges still, Agger's made of matchsticks and Kyrgiakos (who's done OK for a fourth choice IMO) is now over the hill and probably on his way. By contrast, based on his actual performances last season - whch matter a darn sight more than previous history IMO - Johnson is arguably a more reliable option at LB now than any of our CBs are in their position. I'm not taking the youngsters into account because some of them can, and probably will, cover more than one position anyway.
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I agree Jules. We badly need a Son of Sami, a reliable rock in the middle of the defence. Neither Agger nor Skrtel is that man. One of the youngsters, possibly Kelly, may step up to the plate but we can't be sure of that.
Centre-back all day long. Carra's into his twilight years, Skrtel has rough edges still, Agger's made of matchsticks and Kyrgiakos (who's done OK for a fourth choice IMO) is now over the hill and probably on his way. By contrast, based on his actual performances last season - whch matter a darn sight more than previous history IMO - Johnson is arguably a more reliable option at LB now than any of our CBs are in their position. I'm not taking the youngsters into account because some of them can, and probably will, cover more than one position anyway.
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I agree Jules. We badly need a Son of Sami, a reliable rock in the middle of the defence. Neither Agger nor Skrtel is that man. One of the youngsters, possibly Kelly, may step up to the plate but we can't be sure of that.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46259.msg1371789#msg1371789 date=1311896928]
We haven't had a good left back for over 20 years, so for that reason alone I want a left-back.
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Riise was a good LB. We haven't had a good *winger* for over 20 years.
We haven't had a good left back for over 20 years, so for that reason alone I want a left-back.
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Riise was a good LB. We haven't had a good *winger* for over 20 years.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=46259.msg1372017#msg1372017 date=1311947191]
Riise was a good LB.
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I assume that by specifying 20 years, Ryan doesn't agree with this and I don't either. Defensively Riise was clumsy, and muddled his way through matches. His exciting forays upfield made most of us forgive him for that - but when he stopped scoring goals there was really no point to him.
Riise was a good LB.
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I assume that by specifying 20 years, Ryan doesn't agree with this and I don't either. Defensively Riise was clumsy, and muddled his way through matches. His exciting forays upfield made most of us forgive him for that - but when he stopped scoring goals there was really no point to him.
[quote author=Portly link=topic=46259.msg1372022#msg1372022 date=1311947709]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=46259.msg1372017#msg1372017 date=1311947191]
Riise was a good LB.
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I assume that by specifying 20 years, Ryan doesn't agree with this and I don't either. Defensively Riise was clumsy, and muddled his way through matches. His exciting forays upfield made most of us forgive him for that - but when he stopped scoring goals there was really no point to him.
[/quote]Its not often i would dare to say this Portly sir, but you are wronger than incest.
Riise was immense and part of our best back four since the mid 80's
RIISE - CARRAGHER - HYPPIA - FINNAN = Clean sheet.
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=46259.msg1372017#msg1372017 date=1311947191]
Riise was a good LB.
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I assume that by specifying 20 years, Ryan doesn't agree with this and I don't either. Defensively Riise was clumsy, and muddled his way through matches. His exciting forays upfield made most of us forgive him for that - but when he stopped scoring goals there was really no point to him.
[/quote]Its not often i would dare to say this Portly sir, but you are wronger than incest.
Riise was immense and part of our best back four since the mid 80's
RIISE - CARRAGHER - HYPPIA - FINNAN = Clean sheet.
he was a jack of all trades, well left mid and lb, and master of none.
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46259.msg1371772#msg1371772 date=1311891869]
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46259.msg1371751#msg1371751 date=1311885235]
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46259.msg1371670#msg1371670 date=1311879046]
LB because i honestly think Kelly will end up at CB.
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He's too timid to play centre back. (at the minute)
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Bollocks
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No it's not. He doesn't put himself about enough. For such a big lad, he should be smashing into opposing players all over the place ala Flanagan who's much smaller and lighter than Kelly.
It's all about opinions, but i don't think Kelly is ready for central defence just yet.
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46259.msg1371751#msg1371751 date=1311885235]
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46259.msg1371670#msg1371670 date=1311879046]
LB because i honestly think Kelly will end up at CB.
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He's too timid to play centre back. (at the minute)
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Bollocks
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No it's not. He doesn't put himself about enough. For such a big lad, he should be smashing into opposing players all over the place ala Flanagan who's much smaller and lighter than Kelly.
It's all about opinions, but i don't think Kelly is ready for central defence just yet.
[quote author=Portly link=topic=46259.msg1372044#msg1372044 date=1311951692]
I know Riise was kinda totemic and what he gave the team was more than the sum of his parts. But in my opinion the others had to help him out defensively.
As they say, we will just have to agree to disagree squire. 😉
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Sami was forever having to cover across to fill the gaps JAR left at the back. Under Rafa his defending improved, but it was never his forte and we'd have suffered a lot more from the effects of that if JAR hadn't had one of our all-time greats playing alongside him at CB. Teams used to target him as a defensive weakness even with Sami there.
I know Riise was kinda totemic and what he gave the team was more than the sum of his parts. But in my opinion the others had to help him out defensively.
As they say, we will just have to agree to disagree squire. 😉
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Sami was forever having to cover across to fill the gaps JAR left at the back. Under Rafa his defending improved, but it was never his forte and we'd have suffered a lot more from the effects of that if JAR hadn't had one of our all-time greats playing alongside him at CB. Teams used to target him as a defensive weakness even with Sami there.
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46259.msg1372099#msg1372099 date=1311970568]
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46259.msg1371772#msg1371772 date=1311891869]
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46259.msg1371751#msg1371751 date=1311885235]
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46259.msg1371670#msg1371670 date=1311879046]
LB because i honestly think Kelly will end up at CB.
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He's too timid to play centre back. (at the minute)
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Bollocks
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No it's not. He doesn't put himself about enough. For such a big lad, he should be smashing into opposing players all over the place ala Flanagan who's much smaller and lighter than Kelly.
It's all about opinions, but i don't think Kelly is ready for central defence just yet.
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Agreed, I don't know why people keep saying "our future centre back" and that we can be relying on him for this season as back up. He's never played there. Tbh, I'm not as overwhelmed by him as alot of people seem to be, I think he can be a bit suspect at times (though I appreciate he's still young), great going forward though. I've been more impressed with Flanagan and Robinson.
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46259.msg1371772#msg1371772 date=1311891869]
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46259.msg1371751#msg1371751 date=1311885235]
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46259.msg1371670#msg1371670 date=1311879046]
LB because i honestly think Kelly will end up at CB.
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He's too timid to play centre back. (at the minute)
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Bollocks
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No it's not. He doesn't put himself about enough. For such a big lad, he should be smashing into opposing players all over the place ala Flanagan who's much smaller and lighter than Kelly.
It's all about opinions, but i don't think Kelly is ready for central defence just yet.
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Agreed, I don't know why people keep saying "our future centre back" and that we can be relying on him for this season as back up. He's never played there. Tbh, I'm not as overwhelmed by him as alot of people seem to be, I think he can be a bit suspect at times (though I appreciate he's still young), great going forward though. I've been more impressed with Flanagan and Robinson.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46259.msg1372235#msg1372235 date=1312016972]
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46259.msg1372099#msg1372099 date=1311970568]
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46259.msg1371772#msg1371772 date=1311891869]
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46259.msg1371751#msg1371751 date=1311885235]
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46259.msg1371670#msg1371670 date=1311879046]
LB because i honestly think Kelly will end up at CB.
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He's too timid to play centre back. (at the minute)
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Bollocks
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No it's not. He doesn't put himself about enough. For such a big lad, he should be smashing into opposing players all over the place ala Flanagan who's much smaller and lighter than Kelly.
It's all about opinions, but i don't think Kelly is ready for central defence just yet.
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Agreed, I don't know why people keep saying "our future centre back" and that we can be relying on him for this season as back up. He's never played there. Tbh, I'm not as overwhelmed by him as alot of people seem to be, I think he can be a bit suspect at times (though I appreciate he's still young), great going forward though. I've been more impressed with Flanagan and Robinson.
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True. I think Kelly's too casual with his style, as i say, for such a big lad he really should be making his presence felt. That's what i love about young Flanagan, when a tackle is there to be won, he doesn't hesitate for a second...he's straight in to shut down the danger.
Kelly stands off and lets the winger come at him.
I do rate him though, big prospect. Just feel he should be more physical and isn't ready for centre back just yet.
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46259.msg1372099#msg1372099 date=1311970568]
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46259.msg1371772#msg1371772 date=1311891869]
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46259.msg1371751#msg1371751 date=1311885235]
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46259.msg1371670#msg1371670 date=1311879046]
LB because i honestly think Kelly will end up at CB.
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He's too timid to play centre back. (at the minute)
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Bollocks
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No it's not. He doesn't put himself about enough. For such a big lad, he should be smashing into opposing players all over the place ala Flanagan who's much smaller and lighter than Kelly.
It's all about opinions, but i don't think Kelly is ready for central defence just yet.
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Agreed, I don't know why people keep saying "our future centre back" and that we can be relying on him for this season as back up. He's never played there. Tbh, I'm not as overwhelmed by him as alot of people seem to be, I think he can be a bit suspect at times (though I appreciate he's still young), great going forward though. I've been more impressed with Flanagan and Robinson.
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True. I think Kelly's too casual with his style, as i say, for such a big lad he really should be making his presence felt. That's what i love about young Flanagan, when a tackle is there to be won, he doesn't hesitate for a second...he's straight in to shut down the danger.
Kelly stands off and lets the winger come at him.
I do rate him though, big prospect. Just feel he should be more physical and isn't ready for centre back just yet.
Surprises me the result so far. I think we are crying out for a great CB but can make do at LB.
[quote author=Mistadobalina link=topic=46259.msg1372359#msg1372359 date=1312038155]
Surprises me the result so far. I think we are crying out for a great CB but can make do at LB.
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Agreed. Insua is shit so he won't get into my rotation, but I think we can squeeze 38 okay games out of Johnson, Robinson, Flanagan and Aurelio (2 games a month).
With Agger made of glass, Carra aging, and Skrtel more of a workman than a leader - and none of them awesome in the air - we need that new commander at the back now.
Surprises me the result so far. I think we are crying out for a great CB but can make do at LB.
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Agreed. Insua is shit so he won't get into my rotation, but I think we can squeeze 38 okay games out of Johnson, Robinson, Flanagan and Aurelio (2 games a month).
With Agger made of glass, Carra aging, and Skrtel more of a workman than a leader - and none of them awesome in the air - we need that new commander at the back now.
That says what I was trying to say earlier, only a lot better. I wonder how much of the vote is due to some of us being unable to get past the idea that "Johnson is a RB", ignoring the last half-season when Magic played probably his best all-round football so far for us over on the left. Fortunately I doubt Kenny's thinking will be as rigid as that.
The player I'd really like us to go all out for is Cahill. He's a fine player already and Clarke would make him an even better one.
The player I'd really like us to go all out for is Cahill. He's a fine player already and Clarke would make him an even better one.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=46259.msg1372478#msg1372478 date=1312097716]
That says what I was trying to say earlier, only a lot better. I wonder how much of the vote is due to some of us being unable to get past the idea that "Johnson is a RB", ignoring the last half-season when Magic played probably his best all-round football so far for us over on the left. Fortunately I doubt Kenny's thinking will be as rigid as that.
The player I'd really like us to go all out for is Cahill. He's a fine player already and Clarke would make him an even better one.
[/quote]I agree totally JJ. Cahill would absolutely be the signing of our summer.
That says what I was trying to say earlier, only a lot better. I wonder how much of the vote is due to some of us being unable to get past the idea that "Johnson is a RB", ignoring the last half-season when Magic played probably his best all-round football so far for us over on the left. Fortunately I doubt Kenny's thinking will be as rigid as that.
The player I'd really like us to go all out for is Cahill. He's a fine player already and Clarke would make him an even better one.
[/quote]I agree totally JJ. Cahill would absolutely be the signing of our summer.
I think Ayala is being forgotten here.
I have seen him play a couple of times, and i was impressed every time i saw him play. He could turn out to be a real player.
I have seen him play a couple of times, and i was impressed every time i saw him play. He could turn out to be a real player.
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=46259.msg1372509#msg1372509 date=1312104421]
I think Ayala is being forgotten here.
I have seen him play a couple of times, and i was impressed every time i saw him play. He could turn out to be a real player.
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Me too, I think he looks a cracking centre back and he's got the physique too to turn into a really commanding centre half.
I think Ayala is being forgotten here.
I have seen him play a couple of times, and i was impressed every time i saw him play. He could turn out to be a real player.
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Me too, I think he looks a cracking centre back and he's got the physique too to turn into a really commanding centre half.
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=46259.msg1372509#msg1372509 date=1312104421]
I think Ayala is being forgotten here.
I have seen him play a couple of times, and i was impressed every time i saw him play. He could turn out to be a real player.
[/quote]Not that I disagree with you KJ but I reckon he is very slow which will be a considerable hindrance to him becoming a top centre half
I think Ayala is being forgotten here.
I have seen him play a couple of times, and i was impressed every time i saw him play. He could turn out to be a real player.
[/quote]Not that I disagree with you KJ but I reckon he is very slow which will be a considerable hindrance to him becoming a top centre half
That never bothered Hyypia, Carra or Hanchoz...three players who served exceptionally well for us, in spite of their lack of NOS.
I just think, we have good players in Carra, Agger, Skrtel. Kelly, Ayala and Soto to take us through this season. Another 20million pound on a panic purchase is not what we need. I think we should give ourselves this season to see where our squad stands, as we have had a bit of work done on it already, and some youngsters are coming through very clearly. I'm not saying we should give up -we should still aim as high (league winners), but we don't need Cahill to make that difference. I'm happy with what we have got.
We need to trim the fat a bit, and perhaps add one more player in a position where we don't have enough options if we don't consider players playing out of position. Therefore, I think LB or DM is more critical than a CB in that regard, but i'd not be disappointed if we don't bring in anyone at all.
I say DM because i don't rate Lucas as a DM....it's a personal thing. Also, we have shipped more goals ever since Mascherano has left us and i'm thinking the midfield with Lucas in it is not capable of linking up forward play and also shielding the defense equally well. One seems to come at the cost of another, and that perhaps is because of inadequacy in our midfielders. To further that point can any of you remember our midfield monstering any team and totally suffocate them out-running and out-passing them? The last time that happened was when we had Xabi and Masher....that's my reasoning. Yeah, i'm aware there are other views on this, and i'm not interested in side-tracking this thread here....so let's pretend i didn't type "DM" here.
I just think, we have good players in Carra, Agger, Skrtel. Kelly, Ayala and Soto to take us through this season. Another 20million pound on a panic purchase is not what we need. I think we should give ourselves this season to see where our squad stands, as we have had a bit of work done on it already, and some youngsters are coming through very clearly. I'm not saying we should give up -we should still aim as high (league winners), but we don't need Cahill to make that difference. I'm happy with what we have got.
We need to trim the fat a bit, and perhaps add one more player in a position where we don't have enough options if we don't consider players playing out of position. Therefore, I think LB or DM is more critical than a CB in that regard, but i'd not be disappointed if we don't bring in anyone at all.
I say DM because i don't rate Lucas as a DM....it's a personal thing. Also, we have shipped more goals ever since Mascherano has left us and i'm thinking the midfield with Lucas in it is not capable of linking up forward play and also shielding the defense equally well. One seems to come at the cost of another, and that perhaps is because of inadequacy in our midfielders. To further that point can any of you remember our midfield monstering any team and totally suffocate them out-running and out-passing them? The last time that happened was when we had Xabi and Masher....that's my reasoning. Yeah, i'm aware there are other views on this, and i'm not interested in side-tracking this thread here....so let's pretend i didn't type "DM" here.
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=46259.msg1372367#msg1372367 date=1312041859]
Who would improve us more?
Sami Hyypia or Ashley Cole?
Sami every day of the week.
CB it is. But it better be a fucking good one. Not Scott Dann.
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Hyppia would improve ANY team, I'd have hyppia (in his prime) over virtually any outfield player.
a better example is dann or perreira, two players we've been linked with this summer
Who would improve us more?
Sami Hyypia or Ashley Cole?
Sami every day of the week.
CB it is. But it better be a fucking good one. Not Scott Dann.
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Hyppia would improve ANY team, I'd have hyppia (in his prime) over virtually any outfield player.
a better example is dann or perreira, two players we've been linked with this summer
Centre half is a more pivotal position. Between Flano, Robinson and Aurelio, LB is covered. An aerially dominant ball playing centre half (Hyypia+Agger hybrid) would be ideal and would certainly change the dynamic of our defense offering us greater solidity at set-pieces against us and a greater threat for us.
Aurelio should be let go.
There is no upside to persisting with him. He isn't young anymore to hope that he will put the injuries behind him and go on to be a fit player.
He is available for about 10 games in a season, and he always has one stinker (usually just after he comes back from a injury). The moment he starts resembling a useful footballer, he gets injured anyway.
I don't really see the point. At least with Agger there is always this hope that he will shake his injury problems off.
There is no upside to persisting with him. He isn't young anymore to hope that he will put the injuries behind him and go on to be a fit player.
He is available for about 10 games in a season, and he always has one stinker (usually just after he comes back from a injury). The moment he starts resembling a useful footballer, he gets injured anyway.
I don't really see the point. At least with Agger there is always this hope that he will shake his injury problems off.
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