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CB: Carragher, Agger, Skrtel, Kryiagkos, Kelly, Wilson
LB: Aurelio, Robinson
So centre-back has four senior players and two youngsters who already have a fair amount of first team experience whilst left-back has one senior player who is never fit and a 17/18 year old who has never been tried over a period of time.
It's an easy decision.
LB: Aurelio, Robinson
So centre-back has four senior players and two youngsters who already have a fair amount of first team experience whilst left-back has one senior player who is never fit and a 17/18 year old who has never been tried over a period of time.
It's an easy decision.
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CB: Carragher, Agger, Skrtel, Kryiagkos, Kelly, Wilson
LB: Aurelio, Robinson
So centre-back has four senior players and two youngsters who already have a fair amount of first team experience whilst left-back has one senior player who is never fit and a 17/18 year old who has never been tried over a period of time.
It's an easy decision.
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You could count Johnson in for left back though and arguably we've only reliably got Skrtel and Carra for centre back - we know Soto isn't really good enough, Agger is a perma-crock and the other two are completely untried at this level.
Players who have played at Premiership level in the given positions and shown they can play there well:
RB - Johnson, Kelly, Flanagan
CB - Carra, Agger, Skrtel. Occasionally Soto.
LB - Johnson, Aurelio, Robinson, Flanagan.
CB: Carragher, Agger, Skrtel, Kryiagkos, Kelly, Wilson
LB: Aurelio, Robinson
So centre-back has four senior players and two youngsters who already have a fair amount of first team experience whilst left-back has one senior player who is never fit and a 17/18 year old who has never been tried over a period of time.
It's an easy decision.
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You could count Johnson in for left back though and arguably we've only reliably got Skrtel and Carra for centre back - we know Soto isn't really good enough, Agger is a perma-crock and the other two are completely untried at this level.
Players who have played at Premiership level in the given positions and shown they can play there well:
RB - Johnson, Kelly, Flanagan
CB - Carra, Agger, Skrtel. Occasionally Soto.
LB - Johnson, Aurelio, Robinson, Flanagan.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=46259.msg1371337#msg1371337 date=1311850258]
CB: Carragher, Agger, Skrtel, Kryiagkos, Kelly, Wilson
LB: Aurelio, Robinson
So centre-back has four senior players and two youngsters who already have a fair amount of first team experience whilst left-back has one senior player who is never fit and a 17/18 year old who has never been tried over a period of time.
It's an easy decision.
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You could count Johnson in for left back though and arguably we've only reliably got Skrtel and Carra for centre back - we know Soto isn't really good enough, Agger is a perma-crock and the other two are completely untried at this level.
Players who have played at Premiership level in the given positions and shown they can play there well:
RB - Johnson, Kelly, Flanagan
CB - Carra, Agger, Skrtel. Occasionally Soto.
LB - Johnson, Aurelio, Robinson, Flanagan.
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So your not including the two youngsters at centre back because they have no experience at this level, but you are including Robinson at left back?
[quote author=keniget link=topic=46259.msg1371337#msg1371337 date=1311850258]
CB: Carragher, Agger, Skrtel, Kryiagkos, Kelly, Wilson
LB: Aurelio, Robinson
So centre-back has four senior players and two youngsters who already have a fair amount of first team experience whilst left-back has one senior player who is never fit and a 17/18 year old who has never been tried over a period of time.
It's an easy decision.
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You could count Johnson in for left back though and arguably we've only reliably got Skrtel and Carra for centre back - we know Soto isn't really good enough, Agger is a perma-crock and the other two are completely untried at this level.
Players who have played at Premiership level in the given positions and shown they can play there well:
RB - Johnson, Kelly, Flanagan
CB - Carra, Agger, Skrtel. Occasionally Soto.
LB - Johnson, Aurelio, Robinson, Flanagan.
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So your not including the two youngsters at centre back because they have no experience at this level, but you are including Robinson at left back?
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46259.msg1371339#msg1371339 date=1311850417]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=46259.msg1371337#msg1371337 date=1311850258]
CB: Carragher, Agger, Skrtel, Kryiagkos, Kelly, Wilson
LB: Aurelio, Robinson
So centre-back has four senior players and two youngsters who already have a fair amount of first team experience whilst left-back has one senior player who is never fit and a 17/18 year old who has never been tried over a period of time.
It's an easy decision.
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You could count Johnson in for left back though and arguably we've only reliably got Skrtel and Carra for centre back - we know Soto isn't really good enough, Agger is a perma-crock and the other two are completely untried at this level.
Players who have played at Premiership level in the given positions and shown they can play there well:
RB - Johnson, Kelly, Flanagan
CB - Carra, Agger, Skrtel. Occasionally Soto.
LB - Johnson, Aurelio, Robinson, Flanagan.
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So your not including the two youngsters at centre back because they have no experience at this level, but you are including Robinson at left back?
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I said players who have played there. I think that's a fairly sensible way of doing it, than counting on players who haven't kicked a ball there in the Premiership. Robinson has.
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[quote author=keniget link=topic=46259.msg1371337#msg1371337 date=1311850258]
CB: Carragher, Agger, Skrtel, Kryiagkos, Kelly, Wilson
LB: Aurelio, Robinson
So centre-back has four senior players and two youngsters who already have a fair amount of first team experience whilst left-back has one senior player who is never fit and a 17/18 year old who has never been tried over a period of time.
It's an easy decision.
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You could count Johnson in for left back though and arguably we've only reliably got Skrtel and Carra for centre back - we know Soto isn't really good enough, Agger is a perma-crock and the other two are completely untried at this level.
Players who have played at Premiership level in the given positions and shown they can play there well:
RB - Johnson, Kelly, Flanagan
CB - Carra, Agger, Skrtel. Occasionally Soto.
LB - Johnson, Aurelio, Robinson, Flanagan.
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So your not including the two youngsters at centre back because they have no experience at this level, but you are including Robinson at left back?
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I said players who have played there. I think that's a fairly sensible way of doing it, than counting on players who haven't kicked a ball there in the Premiership. Robinson has.
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I'd prefer to see Kelly, Flanagan, Robinson and Wilson more game time this season to decide whether they are good enough to start regularly. (Kelly at CB) Depending on how they fare then we can make a better decision on who we need to buy.
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Quite.
Although a very good centre back with either Skrtel/Agger going the other way would be appealing.
I'd like to see Kelly take the step up in the centre this year too.
I'd prefer to see Kelly, Flanagan, Robinson and Wilson more game time this season to decide whether they are good enough to start regularly. (Kelly at CB) Depending on how they fare then we can make a better decision on who we need to buy.
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Quite.
Although a very good centre back with either Skrtel/Agger going the other way would be appealing.
I'd like to see Kelly take the step up in the centre this year too.
Re: Re: Straight Choice
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=46259.msg1371334#msg1371334 date=1311849969]
Dont understand the question, tbh but my answer would be Aquaman and Maxi.
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What? If we could only sign a centre back OR a left back, which would you sign?
Shall I draw a picture? 😀
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Sorry Left back is the priority imo.
Thought you meant who we should keep til jan.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46259.msg1371335#msg1371335 date=1311850090]
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46259.msg1371334#msg1371334 date=1311849969]
Dont understand the question, tbh but my answer would be Aquaman and Maxi.
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What? If we could only sign a centre back OR a left back, which would you sign?
Shall I draw a picture? 😀
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Sorry Left back is the priority imo.
Thought you meant who we should keep til jan.
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46259.msg1371339#msg1371339 date=1311850417]
You could count Johnson in for left back though and arguably we've only reliably got Skrtel and Carra for centre back - we know Soto isn't really good enough, Agger is a perma-crock and the other two are completely untried at this level.
Players who have played at Premiership level in the given positions and shown they can play there well:
RB - Johnson, Kelly, Flanagan
CB - Carra, Agger, Skrtel. Occasionally Soto.
LB - Johnson, Aurelio, Robinson, Flanagan.
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So your not including the two youngsters at centre back because they have no experience at this level, but you are including Robinson at left back?
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I said players who have played there. I think that's a fairly sensible way of doing it, than counting on players who haven't kicked a ball there in the Premiership. Robinson has.
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So has Wilson, not to mention he has experience at other clubs and is an International (not that I rate him).
I just don't like the way you are presenting your argument, as it appears we have 3.5 centre backs for 2 places, when we quite plainly have more options if we consider the youngsters. Kelly is definitely an option there, Wilson presumably is rated by someone in the club, and Ayala is also lurking somewhere (and is coming out of a decent season).
At left back we have Johnson (a RB), Aurelio (made of wet tissue paper) Robinson (promising, but played in 3 games), Flanagan (has been very promising), Kelly (a RB / CD who is has played at LB but at a lower level).
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[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46259.msg1371339#msg1371339 date=1311850417]
You could count Johnson in for left back though and arguably we've only reliably got Skrtel and Carra for centre back - we know Soto isn't really good enough, Agger is a perma-crock and the other two are completely untried at this level.
Players who have played at Premiership level in the given positions and shown they can play there well:
RB - Johnson, Kelly, Flanagan
CB - Carra, Agger, Skrtel. Occasionally Soto.
LB - Johnson, Aurelio, Robinson, Flanagan.
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So your not including the two youngsters at centre back because they have no experience at this level, but you are including Robinson at left back?
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I said players who have played there. I think that's a fairly sensible way of doing it, than counting on players who haven't kicked a ball there in the Premiership. Robinson has.
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So has Wilson, not to mention he has experience at other clubs and is an International (not that I rate him).
I just don't like the way you are presenting your argument, as it appears we have 3.5 centre backs for 2 places, when we quite plainly have more options if we consider the youngsters. Kelly is definitely an option there, Wilson presumably is rated by someone in the club, and Ayala is also lurking somewhere (and is coming out of a decent season).
At left back we have Johnson (a RB), Aurelio (made of wet tissue paper) Robinson (promising, but played in 3 games), Flanagan (has been very promising), Kelly (a RB / CD who is has played at LB but at a lower level).
Centre-back all day long. Carra's into his twilight years, Skrtel has rough edges still, Agger's made of matchsticks and Kyrgiakos (who's done OK for a fourth choice IMO) is now over the hill and probably on his way. By contrast, based on his actual performances last season - whch matter a darn sight more than previous history IMO - Johnson is arguably a more reliable option at LB now than any of our CBs are in their position. I'm not taking the youngsters into account because some of them can, and probably will, cover more than one position anyway.
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=46259.msg1371339#msg1371339 date=1311850417]
You could count Johnson in for left back though and arguably we've only reliably got Skrtel and Carra for centre back - we know Soto isn't really good enough, Agger is a perma-crock and the other two are completely untried at this level.
Players who have played at Premiership level in the given positions and shown they can play there well:
RB - Johnson, Kelly, Flanagan
CB - Carra, Agger, Skrtel. Occasionally Soto.
LB - Johnson, Aurelio, Robinson, Flanagan.
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And if Johnson gets injured for a few months?
I guess it boils down to whether you'd be happy playing one (or both) of Robinson and Flannagan for an extended period of time.
If you are then CB is what you'd go with, sure. I'd like to give the youngsters a chance to prove themselves but I don't want to go into a season knowing that we're one or two injuries away from being pretty reliant on them.
You could count Johnson in for left back though and arguably we've only reliably got Skrtel and Carra for centre back - we know Soto isn't really good enough, Agger is a perma-crock and the other two are completely untried at this level.
Players who have played at Premiership level in the given positions and shown they can play there well:
RB - Johnson, Kelly, Flanagan
CB - Carra, Agger, Skrtel. Occasionally Soto.
LB - Johnson, Aurelio, Robinson, Flanagan.
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And if Johnson gets injured for a few months?
I guess it boils down to whether you'd be happy playing one (or both) of Robinson and Flannagan for an extended period of time.
If you are then CB is what you'd go with, sure. I'd like to give the youngsters a chance to prove themselves but I don't want to go into a season knowing that we're one or two injuries away from being pretty reliant on them.
I'd say striker, Carroll is pretty much unproven still and I don't want to be reliant on Suarez.... i think we need a striker. If however i had to choose between centre back and left back i'd say centre back due to Agger being made of glass.
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Dont understand the question, tbh but my answer would be Aquaman and Maxi.
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Dont understand the question, tbh but my answer would be Aquaman and Maxi.
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[quote author=refugee link=topic=46259.msg1371375#msg1371375 date=1311854958]
I just don't like the way you are presenting your argument, as it appears we have 3.5 centre backs for 2 places, when we quite plainly have more options if we consider the youngsters. Kelly is definitely an option there, Wilson presumably is rated by someone in the club, and Ayala is also lurking somewhere (and is coming out of a decent season).
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I've not tried to taint the argument in any way, I think a fair way of looking at it is including players who've played in the Premiership in those positions and succeeded to a degree.
I didn't include Wilson or Kelly because neither of them have played centre back in the Premiership, one has played successfully at fullback and one has look out of his depth. I thought it better to put the argument forward just counting what we 'know' we have. We haven't got a clue how Kelly and Wilson will perform centrally, we've seen Robinson and Flanagan for an extensive amount of time at fullback.
I just don't like the way you are presenting your argument, as it appears we have 3.5 centre backs for 2 places, when we quite plainly have more options if we consider the youngsters. Kelly is definitely an option there, Wilson presumably is rated by someone in the club, and Ayala is also lurking somewhere (and is coming out of a decent season).
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I've not tried to taint the argument in any way, I think a fair way of looking at it is including players who've played in the Premiership in those positions and succeeded to a degree.
I didn't include Wilson or Kelly because neither of them have played centre back in the Premiership, one has played successfully at fullback and one has look out of his depth. I thought it better to put the argument forward just counting what we 'know' we have. We haven't got a clue how Kelly and Wilson will perform centrally, we've seen Robinson and Flanagan for an extensive amount of time at fullback.
With the 4 or 5 youngsters we have and the fact that we don't really know where Magic(lb/rb?) and Kelly (cb/rb?) will fit into Kenny's plans, this makes it a tricky one to call for me.
I'd probably edge towards a left back because we have less proven options for this spot.
I'd probably edge towards a left back because we have less proven options for this spot.
I like Johnson at LB and i dont overly rate any of our centre backs (in particular in the air) so im going with CB.
I could live with Johnson, Aurelio, Insua and Robinson doing the job of LB to be honest but with CB (discounting the Greek *shit* and Agger *faulty*) we only have two players, one who cant jump and one who has a head like a fifty p.
I could live with Johnson, Aurelio, Insua and Robinson doing the job of LB to be honest but with CB (discounting the Greek *shit* and Agger *faulty*) we only have two players, one who cant jump and one who has a head like a fifty p.
It is probably fair to say that we need strengthening in a few positions, we are a bit thin at the left back position and centre back and upfront... much of a muchness as to which we need to strengthen the most mind you..
In an ideal world we would buy a new LB new CB and a new Striker, but in order to get better than the options we already have it would cost big big money which we probably have already spent.
I was fine with Johnson at LB and Kelly at RB, i thought kelly looked a future England player tbh, by far our best youngster on show last time out. Its 50 50 which need is most pressing.
In an ideal world we would buy a new LB new CB and a new Striker, but in order to get better than the options we already have it would cost big big money which we probably have already spent.
I was fine with Johnson at LB and Kelly at RB, i thought kelly looked a future England player tbh, by far our best youngster on show last time out. Its 50 50 which need is most pressing.
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I don't think it's a an easy decision. It rests on the the talent of players available, whether they are good enough to significantly improve us and whether we can attract them to the club. Neither position is in such a state to require an emergency stop-gap signing, so if we have to wait, so be it.
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I like Johnson at LB and i dont overly rate any of our centre backs (in particular in the air) so im going with CB.
I could live with Johnson, Aurelio, Insua and Robinson doing the job of LB to be honest but with CB (discounting the Greek *shit* and Agger *faulty*) we only have two players, one who cant jump and one who has a head like a fifty p.
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Pretty much how I feel, though I can see why it's more or less 50/50 split. We need both in the longterm, I just feel we need a commanding centre back more right now. Robinson is more likely to grow into our future left back than anyone else is likely to become the big commanding centre half that we need.
I like Johnson at LB and i dont overly rate any of our centre backs (in particular in the air) so im going with CB.
I could live with Johnson, Aurelio, Insua and Robinson doing the job of LB to be honest but with CB (discounting the Greek *shit* and Agger *faulty*) we only have two players, one who cant jump and one who has a head like a fifty p.
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Pretty much how I feel, though I can see why it's more or less 50/50 split. We need both in the longterm, I just feel we need a commanding centre back more right now. Robinson is more likely to grow into our future left back than anyone else is likely to become the big commanding centre half that we need.
I was in the office, when i opened this thread on the phone, and i laughed uncontrollably....
Thanks lads....for getting me in trouble!
Thanks lads....for getting me in trouble!
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=46259.msg1371401#msg1371401 date=1311859282]
I like Johnson at LB and i dont overly rate any of our centre backs (in particular in the air) so im going with CB.
I could live with Johnson, Aurelio, Insua and Robinson doing the job of LB to be honest but with CB (discounting the Greek *shit* and Agger *faulty*) we only have two players, one who cant jump and one who has a head like a fifty p.
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^^^
I like Johnson at LB and i dont overly rate any of our centre backs (in particular in the air) so im going with CB.
I could live with Johnson, Aurelio, Insua and Robinson doing the job of LB to be honest but with CB (discounting the Greek *shit* and Agger *faulty*) we only have two players, one who cant jump and one who has a head like a fifty p.
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^^^
Oh please stop!
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[quote author=Modo link=topic=46259.msg1371334#msg1371334 date=1311849969]
Dont understand the question, tbh but my answer would be Aquaman and Maxi.
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That really tickled me!...
[quote author=Modo link=topic=46259.msg1371334#msg1371334 date=1311849969]
Dont understand the question, tbh but my answer would be Aquaman and Maxi.
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That really tickled me!...
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