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[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46779.msg1395679#msg1395679 date=1315424395]
Reina
Flanagan Carra Agger Enrique
Lucas
Henderson Adam / Shelvey Downing
Suarez Carroll
Subs: Doni, Skrtel, Johnson, Spearing, Kuyt, Bellamy, Maxi
[/quote]
Shelvey ahead of Spearing away to Stoke...you're having a laugh.
Reina
Flanagan Carra Agger Enrique
Lucas
Henderson Adam / Shelvey Downing
Suarez Carroll
Subs: Doni, Skrtel, Johnson, Spearing, Kuyt, Bellamy, Maxi
[/quote]
Shelvey ahead of Spearing away to Stoke...you're having a laugh.
I can't find the team I posted in the other thread and I'll seem a fool if I post a different one, can someone help? I have always relied on the kindness of strangers.
*swoons*
*swoons*
...........................................Reina
.............Carragher............Skrtel..................Agger
Kelly/Johnson...........................................................Enrique
............................Adam.................Lucas
Suarez......................................................................Downing
....................................Carroll
Subs: Doni, Coates, Kuyt, Bellamy, Shelvey
.............Carragher............Skrtel..................Agger
Kelly/Johnson...........................................................Enrique
............................Adam.................Lucas
Suarez......................................................................Downing
....................................Carroll
Subs: Doni, Coates, Kuyt, Bellamy, Shelvey
Thanks iseered.
What a fucking great team!
What a fucking great team!
Why are some people only naming 5 subs?
Because people don't give a fuck.
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=46779.msg1395716#msg1395716 date=1315428893]
Because people don't give a fuck.
[/quote]
Yeah because it's not like having 2 extra players on the bench can make a difference or anything.
Like they can't come at during the course of the 90 minutes and set up a goal, score a goal, make a goal line clearance. Nah.
Because people don't give a fuck.
[/quote]
Yeah because it's not like having 2 extra players on the bench can make a difference or anything.
Like they can't come at during the course of the 90 minutes and set up a goal, score a goal, make a goal line clearance. Nah.
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46779.msg1395702#msg1395702 date=1315426699]
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46779.msg1395679#msg1395679 date=1315424395]
Reina
Flanagan Carra Agger Enrique
Lucas
Henderson Adam / Shelvey Downing
Suarez Carroll
Subs: Doni, Skrtel, Johnson, Spearing, Kuyt, Bellamy, Maxi
[/quote]
Shelvey ahead of Spearing away to Stoke...you're having a laugh.
[/quote]
No.
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46779.msg1395679#msg1395679 date=1315424395]
Reina
Flanagan Carra Agger Enrique
Lucas
Henderson Adam / Shelvey Downing
Suarez Carroll
Subs: Doni, Skrtel, Johnson, Spearing, Kuyt, Bellamy, Maxi
[/quote]
Shelvey ahead of Spearing away to Stoke...you're having a laugh.
[/quote]
No.
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46779.msg1395719#msg1395719 date=1315429739]
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46779.msg1395702#msg1395702 date=1315426699]
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46779.msg1395679#msg1395679 date=1315424395]
Reina
Flanagan Carra Agger Enrique
Lucas
Henderson Adam / Shelvey Downing
Suarez Carroll
Subs: Doni, Skrtel, Johnson, Spearing, Kuyt, Bellamy, Maxi
[/quote]
Shelvey ahead of Spearing away to Stoke...you're having a laugh.
[/quote]
No.
[/quote]
What's Shelvey done to warrant a place ahead of Spearing?
This is really tough fixture and i'd be much more confident with Spearing in the middle of the park to put his foot in, win his tackles and keep everything ticking over than i would Shelvey, a player i can't for the life of me work out.
Each to their own and all that.
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46779.msg1395702#msg1395702 date=1315426699]
[quote author=Dylan link=topic=46779.msg1395679#msg1395679 date=1315424395]
Reina
Flanagan Carra Agger Enrique
Lucas
Henderson Adam / Shelvey Downing
Suarez Carroll
Subs: Doni, Skrtel, Johnson, Spearing, Kuyt, Bellamy, Maxi
[/quote]
Shelvey ahead of Spearing away to Stoke...you're having a laugh.
[/quote]
No.
[/quote]
What's Shelvey done to warrant a place ahead of Spearing?
This is really tough fixture and i'd be much more confident with Spearing in the middle of the park to put his foot in, win his tackles and keep everything ticking over than i would Shelvey, a player i can't for the life of me work out.
Each to their own and all that.
[quote author=rurikbird link=topic=46779.msg1395343#msg1395343 date=1315384321]
Question is, do we try to match Stoke and adjust our team to neutralize their strengths (i.e. Stoke plays a lot of long-ball, so let's put Skrtel at RB, Carroll up front, maybe Spearing in midfield), or do we try to impose our game on them? There is no right or wrong answer in principle. It entirely depends on how strong and mature "your" game is at the moment.
For instance, Barcelona has an exceptionally strong and mature game; they've been perfecting it for a long time, they know they will be able impose it practically on any team, even at the most hostile away grounds. So the amount of adjustments they have to make for their opponents is minimal. They know that if they just play their game, there is not much the other team can do about that.
That's the ideal we should be striving for. And we are on the right path; Kenny has brought back a recognizable style of LFC football and, judging by how fast the players have caught on, he is exceptionally clear and effective in communicating to the players how he wants them to play. Still, we are not Barca yet; the core of this new team is only beginning to take shape and more then half of our starters we playing for different clubs last season. So, a classic "difficult" fixture like away at Stoke will force Kenny to look for a delicate balance between trusting the strength and resilience of his team's game and being wary of what the opponent can do. And he has to get it just right; overconfidence in your own team will surely be punished (like Arsenal in recent years would always get pushed around at Bolton; Wenger is a classic example of a manager who is preoccupied with his own team and disregards the opposition to the point of arrogance), while adjusting to every opponent (like Rafa at times seemed to do) would make it impossible to nurture and develop your own game, which is after all the ultimate goal. You could say it's a balance between short-term and long-term.
We can make our guesses, but only someone with a real "feel" for the team and intimate understanding of the inner team dynamics can hope to get this delicate balance right. I can't wait for the game; I think Kenny's choice of lineup and tactics might be very telling about how much confidence he has in this team at this stage. And of course the result and the course of events during the match will show if his choice was justified.
[/quote]
Aye, agree with most of that.
I think Kenny has confidence in whatever team he puts out. I imagine he'll go with a bit more strength at the back and up top - so we're likely to see Skrtel at RB and Carroll up front - just to match Stoke's presence. Remember, if Delap's going to be hurling them in from long throws then we can't rely on Carra and Agger to defend everything, so Skrtel will play.
I'd play Carroll cos he can batter their defence for 70 minutes and then the game opens up. Andy doesn't have to score to have a big influence this week. A bruising 70-75 minute performance will tire Stoke and open them up in the last 15 minutes when a sub, or a bit of skill from Suarez could make the difference.
The one area where you can add a bit of flair to your side against Stoke is in midfield. They're weak in that area and readily concede ground against better opposition by dropping back and protecting the back 4 in 2 lines across the park. I watched the Chelsea game at the britannia and thought they went with the worng formation to counter stoke. Stoke sat back and strung 2 lines across the pitch. Chelsea's midfield consisted of Malouda-Lampard-Mikel-Kalou - none of that 4 are going to open you up or combine closely to form an opening, perhaps why they chased so hard for a Modric maybe?
Anyway, I'd flood the midfield, let Suarez sit at the top of the diamond, push Caroll onto the last man to stretch them and try to create something 'in the hole' from there. Best chance.
Question is, do we try to match Stoke and adjust our team to neutralize their strengths (i.e. Stoke plays a lot of long-ball, so let's put Skrtel at RB, Carroll up front, maybe Spearing in midfield), or do we try to impose our game on them? There is no right or wrong answer in principle. It entirely depends on how strong and mature "your" game is at the moment.
For instance, Barcelona has an exceptionally strong and mature game; they've been perfecting it for a long time, they know they will be able impose it practically on any team, even at the most hostile away grounds. So the amount of adjustments they have to make for their opponents is minimal. They know that if they just play their game, there is not much the other team can do about that.
That's the ideal we should be striving for. And we are on the right path; Kenny has brought back a recognizable style of LFC football and, judging by how fast the players have caught on, he is exceptionally clear and effective in communicating to the players how he wants them to play. Still, we are not Barca yet; the core of this new team is only beginning to take shape and more then half of our starters we playing for different clubs last season. So, a classic "difficult" fixture like away at Stoke will force Kenny to look for a delicate balance between trusting the strength and resilience of his team's game and being wary of what the opponent can do. And he has to get it just right; overconfidence in your own team will surely be punished (like Arsenal in recent years would always get pushed around at Bolton; Wenger is a classic example of a manager who is preoccupied with his own team and disregards the opposition to the point of arrogance), while adjusting to every opponent (like Rafa at times seemed to do) would make it impossible to nurture and develop your own game, which is after all the ultimate goal. You could say it's a balance between short-term and long-term.
We can make our guesses, but only someone with a real "feel" for the team and intimate understanding of the inner team dynamics can hope to get this delicate balance right. I can't wait for the game; I think Kenny's choice of lineup and tactics might be very telling about how much confidence he has in this team at this stage. And of course the result and the course of events during the match will show if his choice was justified.
[/quote]
Aye, agree with most of that.
I think Kenny has confidence in whatever team he puts out. I imagine he'll go with a bit more strength at the back and up top - so we're likely to see Skrtel at RB and Carroll up front - just to match Stoke's presence. Remember, if Delap's going to be hurling them in from long throws then we can't rely on Carra and Agger to defend everything, so Skrtel will play.
I'd play Carroll cos he can batter their defence for 70 minutes and then the game opens up. Andy doesn't have to score to have a big influence this week. A bruising 70-75 minute performance will tire Stoke and open them up in the last 15 minutes when a sub, or a bit of skill from Suarez could make the difference.
The one area where you can add a bit of flair to your side against Stoke is in midfield. They're weak in that area and readily concede ground against better opposition by dropping back and protecting the back 4 in 2 lines across the park. I watched the Chelsea game at the britannia and thought they went with the worng formation to counter stoke. Stoke sat back and strung 2 lines across the pitch. Chelsea's midfield consisted of Malouda-Lampard-Mikel-Kalou - none of that 4 are going to open you up or combine closely to form an opening, perhaps why they chased so hard for a Modric maybe?
Anyway, I'd flood the midfield, let Suarez sit at the top of the diamond, push Caroll onto the last man to stretch them and try to create something 'in the hole' from there. Best chance.
[quote author=rurikbird link=topic=46779.msg1395343#msg1395343 date=1315384321]
Question is, do we try to match Stoke and adjust our team to neutralize their strengths (i.e. Stoke plays a lot of long-ball, so let's put Skrtel at RB, Carroll up front, maybe Spearing in midfield), or do we try to impose our game on them? There is no right or wrong answer in principle. It entirely depends on how strong and mature "your" game is at the moment.
For instance, Barcelona has an exceptionally strong and mature game; they've been perfecting it for a long time, they know they will be able impose it practically on any team, even at the most hostile away grounds. So the amount of adjustments they have to make for their opponents is minimal. They know that if they just play their game, there is not much the other team can do about that.
That's the ideal we should be striving for. And we are on the right path; Kenny has brought back a recognizable style of LFC football and, judging by how fast the players have caught on, he is exceptionally clear and effective in communicating to the players how he wants them to play. Still, we are not Barca yet; the core of this new team is only beginning to take shape and more then half of our starters we playing for different clubs last season. So, a classic "difficult" fixture like away at Stoke will force Kenny to look for a delicate balance between trusting the strength and resilience of his team's game and being wary of what the opponent can do. And he has to get it just right; overconfidence in your own team will surely be punished (like Arsenal in recent years would always get pushed around at Bolton; Wenger is a classic example of a manager who is preoccupied with his own team and disregards the opposition to the point of arrogance), while adjusting to every opponent (like Rafa at times seemed to do) would make it impossible to nurture and develop your own game, which is after all the ultimate goal. You could say it's a balance between short-term and long-term.
We can make our guesses, but only someone with a real "feel" for the team and intimate understanding of the inner team dynamics can hope to get this delicate balance right. I can't wait for the game; I think Kenny's choice of lineup and tactics might be very telling about how much confidence he has in this team at this stage. And of course the result and the course of events during the match will show if his choice was justified.
[/quote]
Excellent post.
Question is, do we try to match Stoke and adjust our team to neutralize their strengths (i.e. Stoke plays a lot of long-ball, so let's put Skrtel at RB, Carroll up front, maybe Spearing in midfield), or do we try to impose our game on them? There is no right or wrong answer in principle. It entirely depends on how strong and mature "your" game is at the moment.
For instance, Barcelona has an exceptionally strong and mature game; they've been perfecting it for a long time, they know they will be able impose it practically on any team, even at the most hostile away grounds. So the amount of adjustments they have to make for their opponents is minimal. They know that if they just play their game, there is not much the other team can do about that.
That's the ideal we should be striving for. And we are on the right path; Kenny has brought back a recognizable style of LFC football and, judging by how fast the players have caught on, he is exceptionally clear and effective in communicating to the players how he wants them to play. Still, we are not Barca yet; the core of this new team is only beginning to take shape and more then half of our starters we playing for different clubs last season. So, a classic "difficult" fixture like away at Stoke will force Kenny to look for a delicate balance between trusting the strength and resilience of his team's game and being wary of what the opponent can do. And he has to get it just right; overconfidence in your own team will surely be punished (like Arsenal in recent years would always get pushed around at Bolton; Wenger is a classic example of a manager who is preoccupied with his own team and disregards the opposition to the point of arrogance), while adjusting to every opponent (like Rafa at times seemed to do) would make it impossible to nurture and develop your own game, which is after all the ultimate goal. You could say it's a balance between short-term and long-term.
We can make our guesses, but only someone with a real "feel" for the team and intimate understanding of the inner team dynamics can hope to get this delicate balance right. I can't wait for the game; I think Kenny's choice of lineup and tactics might be very telling about how much confidence he has in this team at this stage. And of course the result and the course of events during the match will show if his choice was justified.
[/quote]
Excellent post.
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=46779.msg1395342#msg1395342 date=1315384296]
---------------------REina------------------------
Johnson-----Carra--------Agger--------Enrique
Hendo--------Lucas-------Adam--------Downing
----------------Carroll-------Suarez---------------
Kuyt and Bellers on with 20 mins to go. Skrtel for Johnson after 60 mins.
[/quote]
Yup.
There's some weird anti-Johnson shit going on here. I'm not saying he's perfect, but overall he offers more than enough to be first choice in his favoured position now we have Enrique at LB.
---------------------REina------------------------
Johnson-----Carra--------Agger--------Enrique
Hendo--------Lucas-------Adam--------Downing
----------------Carroll-------Suarez---------------
Kuyt and Bellers on with 20 mins to go. Skrtel for Johnson after 60 mins.
[/quote]
Yup.
There's some weird anti-Johnson shit going on here. I'm not saying he's perfect, but overall he offers more than enough to be first choice in his favoured position now we have Enrique at LB.
S
Squiggles
Guest
-----------------------Reina---------------------
--Skrtel-------Carra---------Agger-----Enrique--
--Kuyt--------Adam---------Lucas------Downing--
-----------------------Suarez------------------------
-------------------------Carroll----------------------
Wouldn't be surprised to see Coates start though.
--Skrtel-------Carra---------Agger-----Enrique--
--Kuyt--------Adam---------Lucas------Downing--
-----------------------Suarez------------------------
-------------------------Carroll----------------------
Wouldn't be surprised to see Coates start though.
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46779.msg1395717#msg1395717 date=1315429547]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=46779.msg1395716#msg1395716 date=1315428893]
Because people don't give a fuck.
[/quote]
Yeah because it's not like having 2 extra players on the bench can make a difference or anything.
Like they can't come at during the course of the 90 minutes and set up a goal, score a goal, make a goal line clearance. Nah.
[/quote]
How do you know so much about the game? Are you a football?
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=46779.msg1395716#msg1395716 date=1315428893]
Because people don't give a fuck.
[/quote]
Yeah because it's not like having 2 extra players on the bench can make a difference or anything.
Like they can't come at during the course of the 90 minutes and set up a goal, score a goal, make a goal line clearance. Nah.
[/quote]
How do you know so much about the game? Are you a football?
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=46779.msg1395744#msg1395744 date=1315436692]
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46779.msg1395717#msg1395717 date=1315429547]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=46779.msg1395716#msg1395716 date=1315428893]
Because people don't give a fuck.
[/quote]
Yeah because it's not like having 2 extra players on the bench can make a difference or anything.
Like they can't come at during the course of the 90 minutes and set up a goal, score a goal, make a goal line clearance. Nah.
[/quote]
How do you know so much about the game? Are you a football?
[/quote]
I'm not in your league, just yet. However i do know that having 7 subs is better than having 5 so yes some people do give a fuck.
Gene by name, Genius by nature it seems.
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46779.msg1395717#msg1395717 date=1315429547]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=46779.msg1395716#msg1395716 date=1315428893]
Because people don't give a fuck.
[/quote]
Yeah because it's not like having 2 extra players on the bench can make a difference or anything.
Like they can't come at during the course of the 90 minutes and set up a goal, score a goal, make a goal line clearance. Nah.
[/quote]
How do you know so much about the game? Are you a football?
[/quote]
I'm not in your league, just yet. However i do know that having 7 subs is better than having 5 so yes some people do give a fuck.
Gene by name, Genius by nature it seems.
Thanks mate.
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=46779.msg1395342#msg1395342 date=1315384296]
---------------------REina------------------------
Johnson-----Carra--------Agger--------Enrique
Hendo--------Lucas-------Adam--------Downing
----------------Carroll-------Suarez---------------
Kuyt and Bellers on with 20 mins to go. Skrtel for Johnson after 60 mins.
[/quote]
Not sure what Kenny will choose, but personally I like this lineup. I get the logic of your subs too, I think it makes good sense.
---------------------REina------------------------
Johnson-----Carra--------Agger--------Enrique
Hendo--------Lucas-------Adam--------Downing
----------------Carroll-------Suarez---------------
Kuyt and Bellers on with 20 mins to go. Skrtel for Johnson after 60 mins.
[/quote]
Not sure what Kenny will choose, but personally I like this lineup. I get the logic of your subs too, I think it makes good sense.
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=46779.msg1395731#msg1395731 date=1315432233]
[quote author=rurikbird link=topic=46779.msg1395343#msg1395343 date=1315384321]
Question is, do we try to match Stoke and adjust our team to neutralize their strengths (i.e. Stoke plays a lot of long-ball, so let's put Skrtel at RB, Carroll up front, maybe Spearing in midfield), or do we try to impose our game on them? There is no right or wrong answer in principle. It entirely depends on how strong and mature "your" game is at the moment.
For instance, Barcelona has an exceptionally strong and mature game; they've been perfecting it for a long time, they know they will be able impose it practically on any team, even at the most hostile away grounds. So the amount of adjustments they have to make for their opponents is minimal. They know that if they just play their game, there is not much the other team can do about that.
That's the ideal we should be striving for. And we are on the right path; Kenny has brought back a recognizable style of LFC football and, judging by how fast the players have caught on, he is exceptionally clear and effective in communicating to the players how he wants them to play. Still, we are not Barca yet; the core of this new team is only beginning to take shape and more then half of our starters we playing for different clubs last season. So, a classic "difficult" fixture like away at Stoke will force Kenny to look for a delicate balance between trusting the strength and resilience of his team's game and being wary of what the opponent can do. And he has to get it just right; overconfidence in your own team will surely be punished (like Arsenal in recent years would always get pushed around at Bolton; Wenger is a classic example of a manager who is preoccupied with his own team and disregards the opposition to the point of arrogance), while adjusting to every opponent (like Rafa at times seemed to do) would make it impossible to nurture and develop your own game, which is after all the ultimate goal. You could say it's a balance between short-term and long-term.
We can make our guesses, but only someone with a real "feel" for the team and intimate understanding of the inner team dynamics can hope to get this delicate balance right. I can't wait for the game; I think Kenny's choice of lineup and tactics might be very telling about how much confidence he has in this team at this stage. And of course the result and the course of events during the match will show if his choice was justified.
[/quote]
Aye, agree with most of that.
I think Kenny has confidence in whatever team he puts out. I imagine he'll go with a bit more strength at the back and up top - so we're likely to see Skrtel at RB and Carroll up front - just to match Stoke's presence. Remember, if Delap's going to be hurling them in from long throws then we can't rely on Carra and Agger to defend everything, so Skrtel will play.
I'd play Carroll cos he can batter their defence for 70 minutes and then the game opens up. Andy doesn't have to score to have a big influence this week. A bruising 70-75 minute performance will tire Stoke and open them up in the last 15 minutes when a sub, or a bit of skill from Suarez could make the difference.
The one area where you can add a bit of flair to your side against Stoke is in midfield. They're weak in that area and readily concede ground against better opposition by dropping back and protecting the back 4 in 2 lines across the park. I watched the Chelsea game at the britannia and thought they went with the worng formation to counter stoke. Stoke sat back and strung 2 lines across the pitch. Chelsea's midfield consisted of Malouda-Lampard-Mikel-Kalou - none of that 4 are going to open you up or combine closely to form an opening, perhaps why they chased so hard for a Modric maybe?
Anyway, I'd flood the midfield, let Suarez sit at the top of the diamond, push Caroll onto the last man to stretch them and try to create something 'in the hole' from there. Best chance.
[/quote]
Fair points, though I think if you're looking to create something from the hole position it's gonna be tough if they play with two banks of four, we need to make sure Downing and Suarez stretch them aswell by getting wide a fair bit, one of the ways to crack them is by getting around the back and and getting the ball across the box, low, also if we can get behind them and stretch their back four, it'll open up space in the middle. Agreed about Skrtel mind, and Carroll too, as long as he has runners off him all the time.
[quote author=rurikbird link=topic=46779.msg1395343#msg1395343 date=1315384321]
Question is, do we try to match Stoke and adjust our team to neutralize their strengths (i.e. Stoke plays a lot of long-ball, so let's put Skrtel at RB, Carroll up front, maybe Spearing in midfield), or do we try to impose our game on them? There is no right or wrong answer in principle. It entirely depends on how strong and mature "your" game is at the moment.
For instance, Barcelona has an exceptionally strong and mature game; they've been perfecting it for a long time, they know they will be able impose it practically on any team, even at the most hostile away grounds. So the amount of adjustments they have to make for their opponents is minimal. They know that if they just play their game, there is not much the other team can do about that.
That's the ideal we should be striving for. And we are on the right path; Kenny has brought back a recognizable style of LFC football and, judging by how fast the players have caught on, he is exceptionally clear and effective in communicating to the players how he wants them to play. Still, we are not Barca yet; the core of this new team is only beginning to take shape and more then half of our starters we playing for different clubs last season. So, a classic "difficult" fixture like away at Stoke will force Kenny to look for a delicate balance between trusting the strength and resilience of his team's game and being wary of what the opponent can do. And he has to get it just right; overconfidence in your own team will surely be punished (like Arsenal in recent years would always get pushed around at Bolton; Wenger is a classic example of a manager who is preoccupied with his own team and disregards the opposition to the point of arrogance), while adjusting to every opponent (like Rafa at times seemed to do) would make it impossible to nurture and develop your own game, which is after all the ultimate goal. You could say it's a balance between short-term and long-term.
We can make our guesses, but only someone with a real "feel" for the team and intimate understanding of the inner team dynamics can hope to get this delicate balance right. I can't wait for the game; I think Kenny's choice of lineup and tactics might be very telling about how much confidence he has in this team at this stage. And of course the result and the course of events during the match will show if his choice was justified.
[/quote]
Aye, agree with most of that.
I think Kenny has confidence in whatever team he puts out. I imagine he'll go with a bit more strength at the back and up top - so we're likely to see Skrtel at RB and Carroll up front - just to match Stoke's presence. Remember, if Delap's going to be hurling them in from long throws then we can't rely on Carra and Agger to defend everything, so Skrtel will play.
I'd play Carroll cos he can batter their defence for 70 minutes and then the game opens up. Andy doesn't have to score to have a big influence this week. A bruising 70-75 minute performance will tire Stoke and open them up in the last 15 minutes when a sub, or a bit of skill from Suarez could make the difference.
The one area where you can add a bit of flair to your side against Stoke is in midfield. They're weak in that area and readily concede ground against better opposition by dropping back and protecting the back 4 in 2 lines across the park. I watched the Chelsea game at the britannia and thought they went with the worng formation to counter stoke. Stoke sat back and strung 2 lines across the pitch. Chelsea's midfield consisted of Malouda-Lampard-Mikel-Kalou - none of that 4 are going to open you up or combine closely to form an opening, perhaps why they chased so hard for a Modric maybe?
Anyway, I'd flood the midfield, let Suarez sit at the top of the diamond, push Caroll onto the last man to stretch them and try to create something 'in the hole' from there. Best chance.
[/quote]
Fair points, though I think if you're looking to create something from the hole position it's gonna be tough if they play with two banks of four, we need to make sure Downing and Suarez stretch them aswell by getting wide a fair bit, one of the ways to crack them is by getting around the back and and getting the ball across the box, low, also if we can get behind them and stretch their back four, it'll open up space in the middle. Agreed about Skrtel mind, and Carroll too, as long as he has runners off him all the time.
--------------------------------------------------Jose Reina-------------------------------------------------
Glen Johnson-----------James Carragher--------------Daniel Agger------------------Jose Enrique
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------Lucas Leiva---------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------Steven Gerrard--------Charles Adam------------------------------------
Jordan Henderson---------------------------------------------------------------------Stewart Downing
-----------------------------------------------Luis Suarez---------------------------------------------------
Subs😀oni, Carroll, Skrtel, Spearing, Maxi, Shelvey, Kuyt.
Glen Johnson-----------James Carragher--------------Daniel Agger------------------Jose Enrique
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------Lucas Leiva---------------------------------------------------
--------------------------------Steven Gerrard--------Charles Adam------------------------------------
Jordan Henderson---------------------------------------------------------------------Stewart Downing
-----------------------------------------------Luis Suarez---------------------------------------------------
Subs😀oni, Carroll, Skrtel, Spearing, Maxi, Shelvey, Kuyt.
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46779.msg1395746#msg1395746 date=1315437349]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=46779.msg1395744#msg1395744 date=1315436692]
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46779.msg1395717#msg1395717 date=1315429547]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=46779.msg1395716#msg1395716 date=1315428893]
Because people don't give a fuck.
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Yeah because it's not like having 2 extra players on the bench can make a difference or anything.
Like they can't come at during the course of the 90 minutes and set up a goal, score a goal, make a goal line clearance. Nah.
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How do you know so much about the game? Are you a football?
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I'm not in your league, just yet. However i do know that having 7 subs is better than having 5 so yes some people do give a fuck.
Gene by name, Genius by nature it seems.
[/quote]Is it though?
Would any manager worth his salt not pick the five first who are likely to be needed and make any impact?
EG: You are picking our subs for the game right You pick (in this order)
1.Reserve keeper OBV - Doni
2.Back up CB OBV - Skrtel
3.Back up Midfielder - Spearing
4.Back up forward - Carroll
In that alone you have more options than you need and enough permutations to make Ryan gout fountains of Jizz.
5.Back up attacker - Maxi
after that you are looking at back ups to back ups? Arent you?
Eg - Kuyt and Shelvey or Kuyt and Coates.
I see what you are getting at, but im with Gene, i dont think its important and im fairly sure the decision was only made to either keep up youth quotas in the team or to meet some fifa homegrown regulations.
The first five are the important 5 and they are the ones whom 99 times out of a hundred a manager will go to.
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=46779.msg1395744#msg1395744 date=1315436692]
[quote author=Gary25 link=topic=46779.msg1395717#msg1395717 date=1315429547]
[quote author=gene hughes link=topic=46779.msg1395716#msg1395716 date=1315428893]
Because people don't give a fuck.
[/quote]
Yeah because it's not like having 2 extra players on the bench can make a difference or anything.
Like they can't come at during the course of the 90 minutes and set up a goal, score a goal, make a goal line clearance. Nah.
[/quote]
How do you know so much about the game? Are you a football?
[/quote]
I'm not in your league, just yet. However i do know that having 7 subs is better than having 5 so yes some people do give a fuck.
Gene by name, Genius by nature it seems.
[/quote]Is it though?
Would any manager worth his salt not pick the five first who are likely to be needed and make any impact?
EG: You are picking our subs for the game right You pick (in this order)
1.Reserve keeper OBV - Doni
2.Back up CB OBV - Skrtel
3.Back up Midfielder - Spearing
4.Back up forward - Carroll
In that alone you have more options than you need and enough permutations to make Ryan gout fountains of Jizz.
5.Back up attacker - Maxi
after that you are looking at back ups to back ups? Arent you?
Eg - Kuyt and Shelvey or Kuyt and Coates.
I see what you are getting at, but im with Gene, i dont think its important and im fairly sure the decision was only made to either keep up youth quotas in the team or to meet some fifa homegrown regulations.
The first five are the important 5 and they are the ones whom 99 times out of a hundred a manager will go to.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=46779.msg1395742#msg1395742 date=1315436281]
-----------------------Reina---------------------
--Skrtel-------Carra---------Agger-----Enrique--
--Kuyt--------Adam---------Lucas------Downing--
-----------------------Suarez------------------------
-------------------------Carroll----------------------
Wouldn't be surprised to see Coates start though.
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I would be amazed to see Coates start.
-----------------------Reina---------------------
--Skrtel-------Carra---------Agger-----Enrique--
--Kuyt--------Adam---------Lucas------Downing--
-----------------------Suarez------------------------
-------------------------Carroll----------------------
Wouldn't be surprised to see Coates start though.
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I would be amazed to see Coates start.
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