If Adam isn't fit, I'd play Henderson in CM and Bellamy at RW, I think.
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Is this game on tv?
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It's on Setanta Ireland. Otherwise not on in the UK.
If you have Sky sports & Setanta Ireland every match till November is shown, which is fucking boss.
Is this game on tv?
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It's on Setanta Ireland. Otherwise not on in the UK.
If you have Sky sports & Setanta Ireland every match till November is shown, which is fucking boss.
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[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46779.msg1395366#msg1395366 date=1315387719]
If Kelly is still injured i'd play Magic if he's fit.
--------------------Pepe--------------------
--Magic----Carra------Agger---Enrique
--Hendo---Lucas----Adam---Downing
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If Adam is out i'd probably go with a 5 man midfield because otherwise we'd be very soft in the middle with the options available.
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I don't see how Spearing instead of Adam softens us ... he is a tougher and better tackler than Adam.
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But you know, Spearing has thirty odd games, no goals and one assist. Adam had three games, a goal and two assists.
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Yes but Kenny4 is talking about strength in the middle of the park ... not creativity. Adam is of course the better player, I'm just saying we don't need to go to a 5 man midfield if Adam is out just to strengthen it. Without Adam we lose creativity not strength.
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[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46779.msg1395366#msg1395366 date=1315387719]
If Kelly is still injured i'd play Magic if he's fit.
--------------------Pepe--------------------
--Magic----Carra------Agger---Enrique
--Hendo---Lucas----Adam---Downing
--------------Suarez----------------------
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If Adam is out i'd probably go with a 5 man midfield because otherwise we'd be very soft in the middle with the options available.
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I don't see how Spearing instead of Adam softens us ... he is a tougher and better tackler than Adam.
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But you know, Spearing has thirty odd games, no goals and one assist. Adam had three games, a goal and two assists.
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Yes but Kenny4 is talking about strength in the middle of the park ... not creativity. Adam is of course the better player, I'm just saying we don't need to go to a 5 man midfield if Adam is out just to strengthen it. Without Adam we lose creativity not strength.
May I remind people that while Skrtel filled in well at right back against Bolton, he has also had a couple of truly horrific performances in the same position. He is not a right back, and, where possible, we should try and avoid playing him there.
That said, I don't see a major threat from Stoke on the left, so if we are going to play him there, I guess it wouldn't be such a risky move.
That said, I don't see a major threat from Stoke on the left, so if we are going to play him there, I guess it wouldn't be such a risky move.
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Carra Coates Agger
Kuyt Henderson Lucas Downing
Bellamy Carroll Suarez
Carra Coates Agger
Kuyt Henderson Lucas Downing
Bellamy Carroll Suarez
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[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=46779.msg1395458#msg1395458 date=1315398134]
May I remind people that while Skrtel filled in well at right back against Bolton, he has also had a couple of truly horrific performances in the same position. He is not a right back, and, where possible, we should try and avoid playing him there.
That said, I don't see a major threat from Stoke on the left, so if we are going to play him there, I guess it wouldn't be such a risky move.
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Out of two games at RB he's had one truely awful one and one very assured and promising one.
The last one came under Kenny why I reckon that was more an omen of what to expect in the future than the one at Fulham under Roy. (I believe it was).
Flanno looks vulnerable at this stage and with both Kelly and Magic out with injuries I don't think there's that many options either. I'd prefer not to break up Carra and Agger in central.
May I remind people that while Skrtel filled in well at right back against Bolton, he has also had a couple of truly horrific performances in the same position. He is not a right back, and, where possible, we should try and avoid playing him there.
That said, I don't see a major threat from Stoke on the left, so if we are going to play him there, I guess it wouldn't be such a risky move.
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Out of two games at RB he's had one truely awful one and one very assured and promising one.
The last one came under Kenny why I reckon that was more an omen of what to expect in the future than the one at Fulham under Roy. (I believe it was).
Flanno looks vulnerable at this stage and with both Kelly and Magic out with injuries I don't think there's that many options either. I'd prefer not to break up Carra and Agger in central.
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[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=46779.msg1395458#msg1395458 date=1315398134]
May I remind people that while Skrtel filled in well at right back against Bolton, he has also had a couple of truly horrific performances in the same position. He is not a right back, and, where possible, we should try and avoid playing him there.
That said, I don't see a major threat from Stoke on the left, so if we are going to play him there, I guess it wouldn't be such a risky move.
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Out of two games at RB he's had one truely awful one and one very assured and promising one.
The last one came under Kenny why I reckon that was more an omen of what to expect in the future than the one at Fulham under Roy. (I believe it was).
Flanno looks vulnerable at this stage and with both Kelly and Magic out with injuries I don't think there's that many options either. I'd prefer not to break up Carra and Agger in central.
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Flanagan had one bad game out of 6/7, and even then it was only one mistake.
Skrtel played RB for us against Boro and got slaughtered by Downing.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=46779.msg1395458#msg1395458 date=1315398134]
May I remind people that while Skrtel filled in well at right back against Bolton, he has also had a couple of truly horrific performances in the same position. He is not a right back, and, where possible, we should try and avoid playing him there.
That said, I don't see a major threat from Stoke on the left, so if we are going to play him there, I guess it wouldn't be such a risky move.
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Out of two games at RB he's had one truely awful one and one very assured and promising one.
The last one came under Kenny why I reckon that was more an omen of what to expect in the future than the one at Fulham under Roy. (I believe it was).
Flanno looks vulnerable at this stage and with both Kelly and Magic out with injuries I don't think there's that many options either. I'd prefer not to break up Carra and Agger in central.
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Flanagan had one bad game out of 6/7, and even then it was only one mistake.
Skrtel played RB for us against Boro and got slaughtered by Downing.
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[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46779.msg1395366#msg1395366 date=1315387719]
If Kelly is still injured i'd play Magic if he's fit.
--------------------Pepe--------------------
--Magic----Carra------Agger---Enrique
--Hendo---Lucas----Adam---Downing
--------------Suarez----------------------
-------------------Carroll---------------
If Adam is out i'd probably go with a 5 man midfield because otherwise we'd be very soft in the middle with the options available.
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I don't see how Spearing instead of Adam softens us ... he is a tougher and better tackler than Adam.
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But you know, Spearing has thirty odd games, no goals and one assist. Adam had three games, a goal and two assists.
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Yes but Kenny4 is talking about strength in the middle of the park ... not creativity. Adam is of course the better player, I'm just saying we don't need to go to a 5 man midfield if Adam is out just to strengthen it. Without Adam we lose creativity not strength.
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No i wasn't mate.
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[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=46779.msg1395387#msg1395387 date=1315389272]
[quote author=Kenny4PM link=topic=46779.msg1395366#msg1395366 date=1315387719]
If Kelly is still injured i'd play Magic if he's fit.
--------------------Pepe--------------------
--Magic----Carra------Agger---Enrique
--Hendo---Lucas----Adam---Downing
--------------Suarez----------------------
-------------------Carroll---------------
If Adam is out i'd probably go with a 5 man midfield because otherwise we'd be very soft in the middle with the options available.
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I don't see how Spearing instead of Adam softens us ... he is a tougher and better tackler than Adam.
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But you know, Spearing has thirty odd games, no goals and one assist. Adam had three games, a goal and two assists.
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Yes but Kenny4 is talking about strength in the middle of the park ... not creativity. Adam is of course the better player, I'm just saying we don't need to go to a 5 man midfield if Adam is out just to strengthen it. Without Adam we lose creativity not strength.
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No i wasn't mate.
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[quote author=SummerOnions link=topic=46779.msg1395463#msg1395463 date=1315398809]
[quote author=KHL link=topic=46779.msg1395462#msg1395462 date=1315398580]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=46779.msg1395458#msg1395458 date=1315398134]
May I remind people that while Skrtel filled in well at right back against Bolton, he has also had a couple of truly horrific performances in the same position. He is not a right back, and, where possible, we should try and avoid playing him there.
That said, I don't see a major threat from Stoke on the left, so if we are going to play him there, I guess it wouldn't be such a risky move.
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Out of two games at RB he's had one truely awful one and one very assured and promising one.
The last one came under Kenny why I reckon that was more an omen of what to expect in the future than the one at Fulham under Roy. (I believe it was).
Flanno looks vulnerable at this stage and with both Kelly and Magic out with injuries I don't think there's that many options either. I'd prefer not to break up Carra and Agger in central.
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Flanagan had one bad game out of 6/7, and even then it was only one mistake.
Skrtel played RB for us against Boro and got slaughtered by Downing.
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Skrtel is not a future RB for us at all. Flanno hopefully could be but to say he only made one mistake in his last few games is quite simply wrong by many lengths.
He was all over the place for most of the Sunderland game and his mistakes proved costly more than once. There's good reason than Kenny subbed Skrtel and not Flanno when Kelly got injured, as the latter looked completely lost for confidence over his last games.
I wasn't content to see Skrtel at RB at all as he looked so out of his depths the last time he played out there but credit where it's due. He did a very good job against Bolton and as such I wouldn't mind see him deputise as a RB once again.
[quote author=KHL link=topic=46779.msg1395462#msg1395462 date=1315398580]
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=46779.msg1395458#msg1395458 date=1315398134]
May I remind people that while Skrtel filled in well at right back against Bolton, he has also had a couple of truly horrific performances in the same position. He is not a right back, and, where possible, we should try and avoid playing him there.
That said, I don't see a major threat from Stoke on the left, so if we are going to play him there, I guess it wouldn't be such a risky move.
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Out of two games at RB he's had one truely awful one and one very assured and promising one.
The last one came under Kenny why I reckon that was more an omen of what to expect in the future than the one at Fulham under Roy. (I believe it was).
Flanno looks vulnerable at this stage and with both Kelly and Magic out with injuries I don't think there's that many options either. I'd prefer not to break up Carra and Agger in central.
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Flanagan had one bad game out of 6/7, and even then it was only one mistake.
Skrtel played RB for us against Boro and got slaughtered by Downing.
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Skrtel is not a future RB for us at all. Flanno hopefully could be but to say he only made one mistake in his last few games is quite simply wrong by many lengths.
He was all over the place for most of the Sunderland game and his mistakes proved costly more than once. There's good reason than Kenny subbed Skrtel and not Flanno when Kelly got injured, as the latter looked completely lost for confidence over his last games.
I wasn't content to see Skrtel at RB at all as he looked so out of his depths the last time he played out there but credit where it's due. He did a very good job against Bolton and as such I wouldn't mind see him deputise as a RB once again.
Skrtel's performance at RB against Middlesborough a couple seasons back still gives me nightmares. It was one of the worst fullback displays I've ever seen.
That said, I don't think Flannagan should play either. I'm all for giving youngsters a chance and have been for years, but this kid just isn't ready / good enough.
I take it Kelly is injured (again)?
That said, I don't think Flannagan should play either. I'm all for giving youngsters a chance and have been for years, but this kid just isn't ready / good enough.
I take it Kelly is injured (again)?
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The last we saw of him was when he was limping off against Bolton.
Don't know how serious that was though.
Don't know how serious that was though.
Coates would be ideal for this fixture, if it was 6 months down the line. Throw him in now and he'd probably get destroyed. Probably needs a bit of time to learn how to defend that kick and rush football further up the pitch.
I'd go flanagan at right back because I think he's mature beyond his years and skyrtl is dodgy at right back. Let stoke worry about us and play our own game. Sticking a big man at right back cos stoke are big seems like something we'd do in the past, and still get beat.
I'd go flanagan at right back because I think he's mature beyond his years and skyrtl is dodgy at right back. Let stoke worry about us and play our own game. Sticking a big man at right back cos stoke are big seems like something we'd do in the past, and still get beat.
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Coates would be ideal for this fixture, if it was 6 months down the line. Throw him in now and he'd probably get destroyed. Probably needs a bit of time to learn how to defend that kick and rush football further up the pitch.
I'd go flanagan at right back because I think he's mature beyond his years and skyrtl is dodgy at right back. Let stoke worry about us and play our own game. Sticking a big man at right back cos stoke are big seems like something we'd do in the past, and still get beat.
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Agree with that.
I don't get the sudden Flanagan hate.
Coates would be ideal for this fixture, if it was 6 months down the line. Throw him in now and he'd probably get destroyed. Probably needs a bit of time to learn how to defend that kick and rush football further up the pitch.
I'd go flanagan at right back because I think he's mature beyond his years and skyrtl is dodgy at right back. Let stoke worry about us and play our own game. Sticking a big man at right back cos stoke are big seems like something we'd do in the past, and still get beat.
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Agree with that.
I don't get the sudden Flanagan hate.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=46779.msg1395473#msg1395473 date=1315400162]
Skrtel's performance at RB against Middlesborough a couple seasons back still gives me nightmares. It was one of the worst fullback displays I've ever seen.
That said, I don't think Flannagan should play either. I'm all for giving youngsters a chance and have been for years, but this kid just isn't ready / good enough.
I take it Kelly is injured (again)?
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I think Flanagans looked easily good enough. He still looks like a boy but he's not played like one.... and he's Kennys favourite out of all the kids I hear, so I would not be surprised to see him start. He will have a few dodgy games like all youngsters, but you have to give them the experience too.
Skrtel's performance at RB against Middlesborough a couple seasons back still gives me nightmares. It was one of the worst fullback displays I've ever seen.
That said, I don't think Flannagan should play either. I'm all for giving youngsters a chance and have been for years, but this kid just isn't ready / good enough.
I take it Kelly is injured (again)?
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I think Flanagans looked easily good enough. He still looks like a boy but he's not played like one.... and he's Kennys favourite out of all the kids I hear, so I would not be surprised to see him start. He will have a few dodgy games like all youngsters, but you have to give them the experience too.
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Flanagan had one recent poor game, Skrtel had one recent good game - add in a few memories like goldfish and now Skrtel is a better option at RB.
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With Stokes aerial ability in mind yes
Flanagan had one recent poor game, Skrtel had one recent good game - add in a few memories like goldfish and now Skrtel is a better option at RB.
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With Stokes aerial ability in mind yes
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46779.msg1395486#msg1395486 date=1315403062]
Flanagan had one recent poor game, Skrtel had one recent good game - add in a few memories like goldfish and now Skrtel is a better option at RB.
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With Stokes aerial ability in mind yes
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I think that is how Rafa would of approached this game, but I'm not so sure Kenny will, he seems to have a lot of faith in the kids. Old school thinking also suggests you don't drop a player after a good game. So fucked if I know.
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46779.msg1395486#msg1395486 date=1315403062]
Flanagan had one recent poor game, Skrtel had one recent good game - add in a few memories like goldfish and now Skrtel is a better option at RB.
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With Stokes aerial ability in mind yes
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I think that is how Rafa would of approached this game, but I'm not so sure Kenny will, he seems to have a lot of faith in the kids. Old school thinking also suggests you don't drop a player after a good game. So fucked if I know.
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[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46779.msg1395486#msg1395486 date=1315403062]
Flanagan had one recent poor game, Skrtel had one recent good game - add in a few memories like goldfish and now Skrtel is a better option at RB.
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I'm not Skrtel's biggest fan at least I thought you'd know as much. And I remember how poor he was at RB when he played there last time around but he did much much better last week why I wouldn't mind seeing him deputise in that position untill either Kelly or Johnson are back. At least against Stoke away I wouldn't mind see whether last time was only down to luck or whether he's actually improved.
Flanno has had a heavy run of late and I don't think it's been only 'one bad game' but a few in a row.
You have to wrap 18-year-olds in wool sometimes and now I believe is the time to do so with Flanno. Play him away against Stoke and he plays another stinker then he'll be even worse off than he is now.
I'd say give him a few weeks off wait for a home game where we'd suspect to be in control and then play him again. Rebuild his confidence slowly and steady.
Flanagan had one recent poor game, Skrtel had one recent good game - add in a few memories like goldfish and now Skrtel is a better option at RB.
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I'm not Skrtel's biggest fan at least I thought you'd know as much. And I remember how poor he was at RB when he played there last time around but he did much much better last week why I wouldn't mind seeing him deputise in that position untill either Kelly or Johnson are back. At least against Stoke away I wouldn't mind see whether last time was only down to luck or whether he's actually improved.
Flanno has had a heavy run of late and I don't think it's been only 'one bad game' but a few in a row.
You have to wrap 18-year-olds in wool sometimes and now I believe is the time to do so with Flanno. Play him away against Stoke and he plays another stinker then he'll be even worse off than he is now.
I'd say give him a few weeks off wait for a home game where we'd suspect to be in control and then play him again. Rebuild his confidence slowly and steady.
He's got a very strong mentality. I say play the boy! If he has a stinker, just sell him.
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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46779.msg1395489#msg1395489 date=1315403139]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46779.msg1395486#msg1395486 date=1315403062]
Flanagan had one recent poor game, Skrtel had one recent good game - add in a few memories like goldfish and now Skrtel is a better option at RB.
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With Stokes aerial ability in mind yes
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I think that is how Rafa would of approached this game, but I'm not so sure Kenny will, he seems to have a lot of faith in the kids. Old school thinking also suggests you don't drop a player after a good game. So fucked if I know.
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The thing is, Stoke are probably the most physical side in the Premiership, and now they've added 2 m of Peter Crouch aswell to that long throw option of theirs.
Huth, Shawcross, Jones, Crouch and Woodgate against Kuyt, Carroll, Agger, Carra, Adam.
Wouldnt mind Skrtel in there if Kelly is injured. And he was ace against Bolton.
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=46779.msg1395489#msg1395489 date=1315403139]
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=46779.msg1395486#msg1395486 date=1315403062]
Flanagan had one recent poor game, Skrtel had one recent good game - add in a few memories like goldfish and now Skrtel is a better option at RB.
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With Stokes aerial ability in mind yes
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I think that is how Rafa would of approached this game, but I'm not so sure Kenny will, he seems to have a lot of faith in the kids. Old school thinking also suggests you don't drop a player after a good game. So fucked if I know.
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The thing is, Stoke are probably the most physical side in the Premiership, and now they've added 2 m of Peter Crouch aswell to that long throw option of theirs.
Huth, Shawcross, Jones, Crouch and Woodgate against Kuyt, Carroll, Agger, Carra, Adam.
Wouldnt mind Skrtel in there if Kelly is injured. And he was ace against Bolton.
Didn't we already do this thread?
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