Stevie G. to leave Liverpool - Official
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Yeah - I like Lippy but saying "I don't know what all the fuss is about" is just so utterly detached from the game and club it's hard to comprehend. Football is about passion and if you're not passionate about Liverpool, the players who play for Liverpool and the great players who take us to heights we would otherwise never reach then go and find something you are passionate about.
If your passion for football and Liverpool has not soared when one of the all time greatest players leads your team to victory a mountain of times then you're wasting your time; football just isn't for you. You should find something that really does inspire passion in you.
If your passion for football and Liverpool has not soared when one of the all time greatest players leads your team to victory a mountain of times then you're wasting your time; football just isn't for you. You should find something that really does inspire passion in you.
He is here till end of the season, so stop with the incessant whining ffs. We need to look at how we recover from the worst start in a season for decades.
[article=http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/30670499]
Liverpool: Brendan Rodgers tips Steven Gerrard for management
Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers says Steven Gerrard has all the qualities to make a successful career in management.
The Reds captain, who turns 35 in May, will join a Major League Soccer (MLS) club at the end of the season ending a 27-year association with Liverpool.
Rodgers also said there was "not a coaching offer made" because of Gerrard's desire to continue playing.
"I don't see any reason why he couldn't be a manager. [hl]He is a wonderful leader in the changing room[/hl]," Rodgers said.
"I genuinely believe he can offer great advice. The experience he has of Liverpool and those bits of gold dust he can give players would be invaluable to youngsters."
Rodgers says he would welcome Gerrard on to his coaching staff in the future if he is still in charge at Anfield by the time the midfielder retires.
"If I was here as manager at that time he would be someone who would be great to have on the staff," Rodgers added.
"Steven is a type who is just not going to go into it blind, he is a thinker of the game, but his focus is very much on the present in terms of playing beyond this season." [/article]
Liverpool: Brendan Rodgers tips Steven Gerrard for management
Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers says Steven Gerrard has all the qualities to make a successful career in management.
The Reds captain, who turns 35 in May, will join a Major League Soccer (MLS) club at the end of the season ending a 27-year association with Liverpool.
Rodgers also said there was "not a coaching offer made" because of Gerrard's desire to continue playing.
"I don't see any reason why he couldn't be a manager. [hl]He is a wonderful leader in the changing room[/hl]," Rodgers said.
"I genuinely believe he can offer great advice. The experience he has of Liverpool and those bits of gold dust he can give players would be invaluable to youngsters."
Rodgers says he would welcome Gerrard on to his coaching staff in the future if he is still in charge at Anfield by the time the midfielder retires.
"If I was here as manager at that time he would be someone who would be great to have on the staff," Rodgers added.
"Steven is a type who is just not going to go into it blind, he is a thinker of the game, but his focus is very much on the present in terms of playing beyond this season." [/article]
What's stopping you to quit whining about other people whining and start looking at recovery options? Let other people continue to whine. Then its all bases covered. How does that sound? I shall expect an essay on these options posted here by close of play on Monday.
Sorry mate but that's a load of bollocks. Don't tell me I'm not passionate about Liverpool, you've no right to, none in the slightest. I think you're mistaking my lack of overly sentimental attachment to Steven Gerrard with a lack of passion for LFC which is a bit misinformed. Let me try and explain it to you further though. I feel privileged and extremely grateful to have seen Gerrard play for Liverpool, he's been a wonderfully amazing player for us, at times carrying the team on its own. Easily one of the top two players ever. The simple fact is this though - like all players - he's not ageless. They all get old and their careers end. Gerrard is simply not the player he was due to age and injuries he's picked up over the years putting his body on the line for the club. That means his performances, and that of the team, are suffering because if it. The team and the club is always more important than a single player.
I actually want Gerrard to go because I'm sick of fickle cunts starting him to give him shit over these lesser performances. I saw the same with John Barnes towards the end when he was moved into the middle. And they all age, Rush, Dalglish, Souness, Molby, Barnes etc.. It's inevitable and unstoppable. For me, the right thing for him, his family and the club is for him to go at the end of the season and he goes with my thanks and appreciation and I wish him the very best of luck. A true LFC legend without any doubt and a rare breed of player.
Just because I'm not running about with my arms waving in the air hysterically and selfishly claiming he should retire with the club doesn't mean I lack passion, that's slightly insulting really. It's just I've seen it all before and LFC will go on. For every Rush that goes there's a Fowler or Aldridge. Your Owens, Torres, Alonsos, Mascheranos and Suarezs will come along. And yeh, Gerrard was a little different in the fact he's a Liverpool fan and a local lad but it doesn't mean he's infinite - he's human and I think he's doing the right thing for him and the club. Good luck to him for it and, Yeh, thanks for the good times.
It did, could be after tax though?
Maybe it's about playing time or wanting to experience something different.
He can't sit on the bench game after game. He hasn't got it in him, he always needs to be involved, & watching from the sidelines for an hour every match would kill him, he knows that.
In that LFC.tv interview he said the key moment was when Rodgers said he needed to manage his games & he understands why but can't contemplate it.
In that LFC.tv interview he said the key moment was when Rodgers said he needed to manage his games & he understands why but can't contemplate it.
It wasn't a classy thing to say that if Rodgers had been manager when he was in his mid-twenties he'd have won a lot more. His past managers have been quick to praise him warmly, so that seems a bit cheap, especially as (given Rodgers' lack of defensive nous) it's a hugely debatable claim anyway. That's another thing about Steven, he sometimes comes across as a very contrary and ungrateful fellow.
Yes, that was very unnecessary...and as you suggest, not untypical.
Best post I've read in days. Two things spring to mind...I wonder if the difference in opinion between those of us pragmatically saying farewell to an outstanding but imperfect club legend and those frantically waving their arms around in despair can broadly be broken down according to age. Without wishing to sound patronising, some of us have been here before so we're more likely to see things a little more dispassionately. No one man is or has ever been bigger than the club...not Shankly or Paisley, Keegan or Dalglish, Rush or Torres, Suarez or Gerrard...despite our love for them and despair at their relative departures.
Second point, in almost every post I've seen from those of us who think this is the right move at the right time for all concerned ie those of us who accept Gerrard's shortcomings as a player, captain and man, I've read the caveat that we love him, he's one of our top two players of all time, he's inspirational by example etc etc. Those who take a different view have more often than not chosen to question our support or loyalty. Again, maybe that's a maturity thing. One for Rogan Taylor to pontificate on!
It may depend on how you learned about the club too.
I think Peter, Fabio & myself make up the youngest with that view.
I was brought into the fold standing on the Kop learning what to do & how to behave (& having the influence from the likes of soccer am corrected may I add) from the older generation.
Peters & Fabio learned similarly from their season ticket holder parents.
Without meaning to deride anyone I'd posit the argument that fans brought into the Liverpool fold from further a field won't have that attitude readjustment that comes through being told stories from the older generation about players & their place in the club, & they also have more of an idealistic view of players as superstars, whereas we are just young (ha!) enough to remember seeing players as people first & foremost, rather than the pampered celebrities that are kept insulated from the fans these days.
Or perhaps this is all just speculative bollocks & some of us are more pragmatic than others!
I think Peter, Fabio & myself make up the youngest with that view.
I was brought into the fold standing on the Kop learning what to do & how to behave (& having the influence from the likes of soccer am corrected may I add) from the older generation.
Peters & Fabio learned similarly from their season ticket holder parents.
Without meaning to deride anyone I'd posit the argument that fans brought into the Liverpool fold from further a field won't have that attitude readjustment that comes through being told stories from the older generation about players & their place in the club, & they also have more of an idealistic view of players as superstars, whereas we are just young (ha!) enough to remember seeing players as people first & foremost, rather than the pampered celebrities that are kept insulated from the fans these days.
Or perhaps this is all just speculative bollocks & some of us are more pragmatic than others!
The modern media would have us believe every turn in the road is an unprecedented crisis. It's true of politics, the economy, sport, global security....everything. As Prime Minister Blair used to joke about how every week was his worst or biggest week in office according to the media. Now a footballer moves into semi-retirement and the walls of the club are tumbling down. There's a book called 'Risk' which explains this superbly well.
@FoxForceFive is accurate with the description. @Lippy has posted the most accurate post for my feelings.
I'm sad he's going, but I'm not going to wallow in the hole he'll leave. The club will continue, and that's what I support.
I'm sad he's going, but I'm not going to wallow in the hole he'll leave. The club will continue, and that's what I support.
I'm very unmoved by him leaving too, but I guess I've just seen the writing on the walls for 2 seasons now.
I don't think it will truly sink in until we play some big games next season.
Who will be captain?? Hendo??
I don't think it will truly sink in until we play some big games next season.
Who will be captain?? Hendo??
It's not that I'm unmoved Pat, it will be an emotional day when he goes, it's just not the end of the club is it? End of an era but another one begins.
Ha. Good one Stevie
Bloody hell that's bollocks.
I was just going to leave it cause I couldn't be bothered but the lack of nous for some posters to be capable of noting what is being objected to and what isn't leaves me stunned.
I loved watching Keegan tear teams apart; when the rumours started that he was going to go I refused to believe it and was young enough to think it couldn't happen. By half way through his final season I knew it was true - but I still simply couldn't believe it. My old man and a couple of uncles told me that he wasn't the first and he wouldn't be the last. Every team is the greatest in history but it always sinks eventually and there's always another team to take it's place and stake its own claim. The same is true of players - so they said; he might seem irreplaceable but someone else will come through soon enough.
As it turned out it was probably the greatest example in Liverpool history of how true those words were. Within a few years I couldn't imagine how a greater replacement than Kenny would have been possible - he was everything. I'd seen it before on a less spectacular scale and I've watched the model replicate multiple times since then. So, in short, no - my apologies but the lovely theories of more experience or the "been here before" cliché being put about are not just made of glass but they're built on sand as well. I've watched it all for many years - sometimes too many that I don't want to count them.
Will Liverpool continue - of course it will; there's no oafs out there crying doom, nobody out there thinking this is some kind of death knell for the club. If anything, those who are mourning - and that's all it is - those who are mourning the end of a legend are being far more pragmatic than the rest. Suggesting otherwise is simply a demonstration of some very pitiful comprehension skills and a rather strong condemnation of many a national education programme.
In the 400's and 500's AD the family unit practiced the approach of having numerous children. This wasn't an effort at increasing populations quickly or looking for power; it was an understanding that there was a good chance several children would not survive the first 10 years so best to have a few who could take their place. Did it work - well, it ensured the survival of the species. The unintended consequence was a society which devalued life excessively and, according to a number of historical commentators, stunted forward progress and led to what is commonly referred to as the Dark Ages.
What I - and anybody who views the game as something other than a collection of chemicals designed to elicit specific, hormonal responses from those who view it - object to is quite simple. Comments such as "I don't know what all the fuss is about" have got nothing to do with experience, pragmatism or "the club is greater than the player" cliché. They're either an effort at "I'm too cool for school" bollocks or a simple lack of passion.
My comment to Lippy was based on that one line - hence the reason I quoted it. I'm sure most of us here have lost relatives or close friends to cancer or some other kind of condition. In most cases we knew it was coming so, really, when they died I guess the sadness was just pointless, arm waving hysteria. Bollocks again. Get a bloody life. If you're that unaffected by the passing of close friends or relatives then crawl back under the rock at the back of the cave and stay there - for everyone's sake. If you're so unaffected by the departure of possibly the greatest player in the history of the club you claim to love then you, son, were tragically born without a personality. Go find one amongst the rest of the emotion free, computer coded nerds and leave the humans who still understand passion to reflect on the end of an era.
If it really doesn't affect you then why the hell are you in this thread? Piss off and do something else irrelevant. Forgive me if I don't want to dismiss the moment as just another brick in the wall garbage and move along like it's some kind of non-event. If you have trouble understanding why people are making a fuss about it then just move along; go back to playing darts, studying tadpoles or whatever else it is that humanoids like you do.
I'm surprised that you don't see the message in that macca - or maybe you just don't like the way it's delivered. It certainly wasn't subtle in anyway and I agree it could have been handled more tactfully. But, given the high level of rumours going around that he doesn't respect Rodgers or doesn't think he should be in the job he obviously felt he needed to hit that on the head once and for all.
None of us know if Rodgers really is that capable but Gerrard made it pretty clear to all the faceless, gossiping house wives that he didn't have a problem with Rodgers - in fact, quite the opposite.
I do agree it was a little insulting to two managers he's always claimed to have a wonderful relationship with in Kenny and Houlier. Maybe he needs to repair a couple of bridges there but I don't think we've ever claimed he was the greatest diplomat the city has ever seen. I wouldn't call it classless - just not particularly interested in playing the game. The couple of times he's been invited as a guest commentator on games when injured he's always seemed too open. That has and probably will continue to get him into trouble.
Oh sure, I saw that, but he just doesn't think things through. It probably was well-intended, but he's not bright enough to see the bigger picture and the implication it has about his old managers.
And you have the nerve to call other people superfans?
On a sidenote I read today that Man City are putting up calming wallpaper in the bedrooms at their grounds so that their players can have a good nights sleep on the nights before matches.
It's nothing to do with a lack of passion or too cool for school. That's just your nonsense interpretation of it. People are claiming that they're angry about Gerrards decision and its fucked up in some way. I'm just saying it's just a natural end to his playing career here. I'm sad Gerrard is leaving but I'm also respectful of his decision given what he's done for the club over the years. As I've said, he's more than earned that right. No-one denies its the end of an era, that's he's not been immense for us or he's brought so many happy days into our LFC lives but he's going to experience something different, he's not dying. It's not the dark ages either, what's that all about? Weird. Carry on with the insulting hyperbole all you like but I think you're being completely over sensitive over a simple comment that I'm telling you that you've misinterpreted.
It's unfortunate how this thread is going to turn out ...
Well get a grip of the bellends who are kicking off then.
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