Well more than Atheltico Madrid, Dortmund, Porto, Basel, Bayer Leverkusen, Schalke, Shaktar, all of who are in the last 16 of the CL. Loads more than 4 clubs who are currently above us in the league. But that's just now. The fact that we haven't even been in the 32 teams in the CL for 5 years when we've been in the top 10 rich clubs and top 10 wage payers throughout shows how badly we've been run.