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Konchesky was a fucking embarrassment to the shirt today. He needs fucking off pronto.

I thought Lucas and Meireles both played very well. Maxi was pretty good, although very wasteful and Torres was brilliant in flashes and average in others.

We can feel hard done by in this defeat.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=42955.msg1225291#msg1225291 date=1290970597]
To be fair, we should have scored several, but Spurs had just as many clear cut chances didn't they?
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Yep. And at least they got shots off for theirs - we just fluffed ours
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=42955.msg1225293#msg1225293 date=1290970647]
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=42955.msg1225291#msg1225291 date=1290970597]
To be fair, we should have scored several, but Spurs had just as many clear cut chances didn't they?
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Yep. And at least they got shots off for theirs - we just fluffed ours
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lack of confidence from maxi and torres, if they were more confident they would have taken their shots earlier instead they were taking extra touches which allowed spurs to get their tackles in.
 
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=42955.msg1225056#msg1225056 date=1290966905]
Well Anita's happy - she was right.



Yes of course I am. Way to be a total twat LeTall
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225316#msg1225316 date=1290971260]
[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=42955.msg1225056#msg1225056 date=1290966905]
Well Anita's happy - she was right.



Yes of course I am. Way to be a total twat LeTall
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LTW that was a rather twatish comment mate.

I knew you wouldn't be happy Anita. Does that help?
 
My point earlier, which I stand by, is I don't understand why people
got so excited about having a half decent first half and being a goal up, a game is 90 and a bit minutes. And we're playing a team who last week overturned a two goal lead against a team far better team than us away from home. They were gonna come at us and I didn't think we'd be able to cope, obv I wish I was wrong. But until we have such a hapless manager I will never feel confident going into a game. It's as simple as that, I'm sick of him and his low aspirations, it's infectious and makes the team believe their niether capable or expected to win points where they should. I'm sick and tired of this. Sick and tired of our club being home to soo many people who don't deserve it.

I loon at our squad and there are a handful of players there that I like and feel actually deserve my support. I can't understand how so many of you can bare this mediocracy, I expect and want better from us.
 
to be honest only the very optimistic of 6CM predicted a win. I thought we were going to lose before the game but the way it got played out was cruel.
 
* While we don't wish to pre-empt the 'Roy Out' brigade, this loss should not strengthen their argument. The team was set up pretty well, most of the players did their jobs (Paul Konchesky apart), and it is no disgrace to lose to this Spurs team, as Inter Milan, Arsenal and eight others will tell you.

* If one wanted a perfect example of the difference between an exceptional player and an adequate one, see the chance created by Fernando Torres for Maxi Rodriguez just before half-time. The turn/sccop pass from Torres through to Rodriguez was precise, unexpected and exquisite. The rather sad attempt at a finish was pathetic. Rodriguez had a number of options - the blast, the placed shot, the chip - but for reasons passing understanding tried to shimmy round Huerelho Gomes when five yards away from him, and quite comically fell over.

* Having said that, it's a promising sign for Liverpool that the link-up between those two players is looking better and better. What was perhaps started by Maxi's goal against Bolton a few weeks ago continued today, with Torres playing more and more from the left, and interchanging rather nicely with his Argentinean colleague.

* And having said that again, Torres did waste a couple of chances by dithering when clean through. Martin Tyler commented that when Torres was on 'A1' form, he would've scored, but how much longer does he need? We're now at the end of November, and Torres has been involved in every one of Liverpool's league games this season.

* Raul Meireles looks a better player every time he plays for Liverpool, and it can hardly been seen as a coincidence that he looks more impressive when in the centre of midfield. So what does Hodgson do when Steven Gerrard returns? Does he shift Meireles back out wide, thus not making the best use of his players and opening him once again to one of the key criticisms of his reign? Or push Gerrard further forward and away from a role in which he has excelled at times this season?

In fact, it would be interesting to see them both in a two-man centre midfield. Both have attacking instincts, but equally both have enough discipline to not leave their defence exposed. It would perhaps be harsh on an improving Lucas Leiva, but it might be worth a go.
 
Why the fuck didn't Konchesky take Lennon down, and take one for the team? I've done it twice for my team, the fucking slow bastard - just grab his legs and drag him down, fuck morality.
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225339#msg1225339 date=1290971892]
My point earlier, which I stand by, is I don't understand why people
got so excited about having a half decent first half and being a goal up, a game is 90 and a bit minutes. And we're playing a team who last week overturned a two goal lead against a team far better team than us away from home. They were gonna come at us and I didn't think we'd be able to cope, obv I wish I was wrong. But until we have such a hapless manager I will never feel confident going into a game. It's as simple as that, I'm sick of him and his low aspirations, it's infectious and makes the team believe their niether capable or expected to win points where they should. I'm sick and tired of this. Sick and tired of our club being home to soo many people who don't deserve it.

I loon at our squad and there are a handful of players there that I like and feel actually deserve my support. I can't understand how so many of you can bare this mediocracy, I expect and want better from us.
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We weren't a goal up when you made the initial comment.

Some of us just prefer to be optimistic and support the team. It's easier to do so when you aren't defeatist. Personally, I think it's more fun this way.

You can call your way the realist perspective, as is your right. As it is your right to slag off our best players when they are off form or some crappy news article suggests they're unhappy.

You don't have to feel sorry for us though.
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225339#msg1225339 date=1290971892]
My point earlier, which I stand by, is I don't understand why people
got so excited about having a half decent first half and being a goal up, a game is 90 and a bit minutes. And we're playing a team who last week overturned a two goal lead against a team far better team than us away from home. They were gonna come at us and I didn't think we'd be able to cope, obv I wish I was wrong. But until we have such a hapless manager I will never feel confident going into a game. It's as simple as that, I'm sick of him and his low aspirations, it's infectious and makes the team believe their niether capable or expected to win points where they should. I'm sick and tired of this. Sick and tired of our club being home to soo many people who don't deserve it.

I loon at our squad and there are a handful of players there that I like and feel actually deserve my support. I can't understand how so many of you can bare this mediocracy, I expect and want better from us.
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Sorry Anita but there really wasn't that much between the two teams today. Both had their chances. Overall, I think you're right and we've a much weaker squad but we had every chance of winning today and really should have had the game more or less killed off.

Roys not my favourite manager either - far from it. One thing I must say though - you support your club - not individual players you deem worthy.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=42955.msg1225359#msg1225359 date=1290972309]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225339#msg1225339 date=1290971892]
My point earlier, which I stand by, is I don't understand why people
got so excited about having a half decent first half and being a goal up, a game is 90 and a bit minutes. And we're playing a team who last week overturned a two goal lead against a team far better team than us away from home. They were gonna come at us and I didn't think we'd be able to cope, obv I wish I was wrong. But until we have such a hapless manager I will never feel confident going into a game. It's as simple as that, I'm sick of him and his low aspirations, it's infectious and makes the team believe their niether capable or expected to win points where they should. I'm sick and tired of this. Sick and tired of our club being home to soo many people who don't deserve it.

I loon at our squad and there are a handful of players there that I like and feel actually deserve my support. I can't understand how so many of you can bare this mediocracy, I expect and want better from us.
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Sorry Anita but there really wasn't that much between the two teams today. Both had their chances. Overall, I think you're right and we've a much weaker squad but we had every chance of winning today and really should have had the game more or less killed off.

Roys not my favourite manager either - far from it. One thing I must say though - you support your club - not individual players you deem worthy.
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agree with every word of that, sunny.
 
[quote author=IanTheRed link=topic=42955.msg1225350#msg1225350 date=1290972097]
Why the fuck didn't Konchesky take Lennon down, and take one for the team? I've done it twice for my team, the fucking slow bastard - just grab his legs and drag him down, fuck morality.
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i've heard him interviewed and, well, i fink he's a bit fick.
 
I can't remember our penalty incident (and the above won't open for me)... when was it?

I do remember Hutton diving for one and the ref doing nothing about it.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42955.msg1225365#msg1225365 date=1290972503]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=42955.msg1225359#msg1225359 date=1290972309]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225339#msg1225339 date=1290971892]
My point earlier, which I stand by, is I don't understand why people
got so excited about having a half decent first half and being a goal up, a game is 90 and a bit minutes. And we're playing a team who last week overturned a two goal lead against a team far better team than us away from home. They were gonna come at us and I didn't think we'd be able to cope, obv I wish I was wrong. But until we have such a hapless manager I will never feel confident going into a game. It's as simple as that, I'm sick of him and his low aspirations, it's infectious and makes the team believe their niether capable or expected to win points where they should. I'm sick and tired of this. Sick and tired of our club being home to soo many people who don't deserve it.

I loon at our squad and there are a handful of players there that I like and feel actually deserve my support. I can't understand how so many of you can bare this mediocracy, I expect and want better from us.
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Sorry Anita but there really wasn't that much between the two teams today. Both had their chances. Overall, I think you're right and we've a much weaker squad but we had every chance of winning today and really should have had the game more or less killed off.

Roys not my favourite manager either - far from it. One thing I must say though - you support your club - not individual players you deem worthy.
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agree with every word of that, sunny.

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Yep
 
[quote author=IanTheRed link=topic=42955.msg1225350#msg1225350 date=1290972097]
Why the fuck didn't Konchesky take Lennon down, and take one for the team? I've done it twice for my team, the fucking slow bastard - just grab his legs and drag him down, fuck morality.
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I thought this at the time.
He'd have to have been within arms reach of him though and he got nowhere near him.
 
I agree Sunny, there wasn't a huge amount between us, but what I'm saying and stand by is that going into a game I feel no confidence and I don't think that will change whilst the current manager is here. F course there are games like the Chelsea game where that lack of confidence is unnecessary, which is obv great. But as a whole I feel no confidence, I didn't expect to win the game today but inevitably got drawn in during the second half and thought we might just win, and ironically given how little I expected from the game, I was more upset at FT than I've been in a long time after watching us play.

Paul Daglish has just put it brilliantly on Twitter, I'd copy and paste it if I wasn't on my phone, but basic gist being we all started supporting this club because it's had a certain standard, to mr that includes not just the quality of players and manager but also the calibre of their characters, I just don't see that when I look at LFC right now. And I'll be damned if people want to suggest that makes me a lesser fan because I have higher standards for the club I love.


Oh and Mamma Mia, piss off
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225394#msg1225394 date=1290974227]
we all started supporting this club because it's had a certain standard
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I started supporting it because I was born into it, not because it had a certain standard.
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225394#msg1225394 date=1290974227]
I agree Sunny, there wasn't a huge amount between us, but what I'm saying and stand by is that going into a game I feel no confidence and I don't think that will change whilst the current manager is here. F course there are games like the Chelsea game where that lack of confidence is unnecessary, which is obv great. But as a whole I feel no confidence, I didn't expect to win the game today but inevitably got drawn in during the second half and thought we might just win, and ironically given how little I expected from the game, I was more upset at FT than I've been in a long time after watching us play.

Paul Daglish has just put it brilliantly on Twitter, I'd copy and paste it if I wasn't on my phone, but basic gist being we all started supporting this club because it's had a certain standard, to mr that includes not just the quality of players and manager but also the calibre of their characters, I just don't see that when I look at LFC right now. And I'll be damned if people want to suggest that makes me a lesser fan because I have higher standards for the club I love.


Oh and Mamma Mia, piss off
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Paul Dalglish said:
My biggest fear at the moment is our standards seem to of disappeared.Great men took many years to create our standards.Now we accept 2nd.....best! I know we haven't won the league for years and we are not the dominant force in world football anymore but we always kept our.....standards. We always expected things to be done to Liverpool standards. If we lose our standards, the club as I know and loved it is gone! As Shankly said "aim for the sky and you'll reach the ceiling, aim for the ceiling and you'll stay on the floor" We must aim for the sky!
 
As was I Sheik, as I imagine the son of Dalglish who said about standards was. But I agree with him in the sense that we've always been a club whose values and ways (including the people connected to the club) that I've been proud of, and I just don't see that right now.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=42955.msg1225398#msg1225398 date=1290974390]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225394#msg1225394 date=1290974227]
we all started supporting this club because it's had a certain standard
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I started supporting it because I was born into it, not because it had a certain standard.
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Abso-fucking-lutely.

And in my head, I batter the 12yr old me that didnt appreciate us smashing everyone week in week out!
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225394#msg1225394 date=1290974227]
Oh and Mamma Mia, piss off
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If you say things like "I feel sorry for all those who (insert dissenting opinion here)...", people will get narked.
 
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225394#msg1225394 date=1290974227]
we all started supporting this club because it's had a certain standard...
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Standard had nothing to do with why I started supporting this club.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=42955.msg1225414#msg1225414 date=1290974863]
I'm not sure any child really cares about "standards" do they?
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No. My lad will watch any shite.
 
I said I felt sorry for anyone who thought we were gonna get anything out of the game because they would have been disappointed, unfortunately that included me too in the end.

But I guess I underestimated the sensitivties on some on here, my mistake, I though it was a forum full of men
 
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