Spurs v Liverpool

[KopKing]

[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=42955.msg1225358#msg1225358 date=1290972229]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225339#msg1225339 date=1290971892]
My point earlier, which I stand by, is I don't understand why people
got so excited about having a half decent first half and being a goal up, a game is 90 and a bit minutes. And we're playing a team who last week overturned a two goal lead against a team far better team than us away from home. They were gonna come at us and I didn't think we'd be able to cope, obv I wish I was wrong. But until we have such a hapless manager I will never feel confident going into a game. It's as simple as that, I'm sick of him and his low aspirations, it's infectious and makes the team believe their niether capable or expected to win points where they should. I'm sick and tired of this. Sick and tired of our club being home to soo many people who don't deserve it.

I loon at our squad and there are a handful of players there that I like and feel actually deserve my support. I can't understand how so many of you can bare this mediocracy, I expect and want better from us.
[/quote]

We weren't a goal up when you made the initial comment.

Some of us just prefer to be optimistic and support the team. It's easier to do so when you aren't defeatist. Personally, I think it's more fun this way.

You can call your way the realist perspective, as is your right. As it is your right to slag off our best players when they are off form or some crappy news article suggests they're unhappy.

You don't have to feel sorry for us though.
[/quote]

I agree with that Mamma Mia I always get excited and I always want and expect us to win. When we play well I'm happy when we don't I'm sad. Likewise when we win or lose. Deep down I know we can be better, but when that whistle blows I want us to win and hope for a win irrespective of who we play, particularly when we go a goal up. Highs and lows are the very essence of sport realism doesn't come into it else favourites would win *every* time.

 

[Mamma Mia]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=42955.msg1225398#msg1225398 date=1290974390]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225394#msg1225394 date=1290974227]
we all started supporting this club because it's had a certain standard
[/quote]

I started supporting it because I was born into it, not because it had a certain standard.
[/quote]

For me it was the impression that Liverpool fans made on me as a small child. I admired the way they supported their club thrugh thick and thin.

The words to YNWA, moments like half time in Istanbul, cheering the opposing keeper, clapping off teams when outplayed.

 

[Mamma Mia]

[quote author=KopKing link=topic=42955.msg1225423#msg1225423 date=1290975069]
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=42955.msg1225358#msg1225358 date=1290972229]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225339#msg1225339 date=1290971892]
My point earlier, which I stand by, is I don't understand why people
got so excited about having a half decent first half and being a goal up, a game is 90 and a bit minutes. And we're playing a team who last week overturned a two goal lead against a team far better team than us away from home. They were gonna come at us and I didn't think we'd be able to cope, obv I wish I was wrong. But until we have such a hapless manager I will never feel confident going into a game. It's as simple as that, I'm sick of him and his low aspirations, it's infectious and makes the team believe their niether capable or expected to win points where they should. I'm sick and tired of this. Sick and tired of our club being home to soo many people who don't deserve it.

I loon at our squad and there are a handful of players there that I like and feel actually deserve my support. I can't understand how so many of you can bare this mediocracy, I expect and want better from us.
[/quote]

We weren't a goal up when you made the initial comment.

Some of us just prefer to be optimistic and support the team. It's easier to do so when you aren't defeatist. Personally, I think it's more fun this way.

You can call your way the realist perspective, as is your right. As it is your right to slag off our best players when they are off form or some crappy news article suggests they're unhappy.

You don't have to feel sorry for us though.
[/quote]

I agree with that Mamma Mia I always get excited and I always want and expect us to win. When we play well I'm happy when we don't I'm sad. Likewise when we win or lose. Deep down I know we can be better, but when that whistle blows I want us to win and hope for a win irrespective of who we play, particularly when we go a goal up. Highs and lows are the very essence of sport realism doesn't come into it else favourites would win *every* time.
[/quote]

Yeah man. I'm a realist and a rationalist in pretty much all other aspects of my life.

Applying it to being a football fan seems boring to me.

 

[KopKing]

[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=42955.msg1225429#msg1225429 date=1290975285]
[quote author=KopKing link=topic=42955.msg1225423#msg1225423 date=1290975069]
[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=42955.msg1225358#msg1225358 date=1290972229]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225339#msg1225339 date=1290971892]
My point earlier, which I stand by, is I don't understand why people
got so excited about having a half decent first half and being a goal up, a game is 90 and a bit minutes. And we're playing a team who last week overturned a two goal lead against a team far better team than us away from home. They were gonna come at us and I didn't think we'd be able to cope, obv I wish I was wrong. But until we have such a hapless manager I will never feel confident going into a game. It's as simple as that, I'm sick of him and his low aspirations, it's infectious and makes the team believe their niether capable or expected to win points where they should. I'm sick and tired of this. Sick and tired of our club being home to soo many people who don't deserve it.

I loon at our squad and there are a handful of players there that I like and feel actually deserve my support. I can't understand how so many of you can bare this mediocracy, I expect and want better from us.
[/quote]

We weren't a goal up when you made the initial comment.

Some of us just prefer to be optimistic and support the team. It's easier to do so when you aren't defeatist. Personally, I think it's more fun this way.

You can call your way the realist perspective, as is your right. As it is your right to slag off our best players when they are off form or some crappy news article suggests they're unhappy.

You don't have to feel sorry for us though.
[/quote]

I agree with that Mamma Mia I always get excited and I always want and expect us to win. When we play well I'm happy when we don't I'm sad. Likewise when we win or lose. Deep down I know we can be better, but when that whistle blows I want us to win and hope for a win irrespective of who we play, particularly when we go a goal up. Highs and lows are the very essence of sport realism doesn't come into it else favourites would win *every* time.
[/quote]

Yeah man. I'm a realist and a rationalist in pretty much all other aspects of my life.

Applying it to being a football fan seems boring to me.
[/quote]

I always used to wonder how fans of other teams felt in mid or lower end of the table, why they cheered for their team even though they had no hope of silverware and often to even win the match. I thought I couldn't do that, maybe its the glory hunter in me. Now I know how they feel and know I can still cheer my team on whoever we play.

 

[Avmenon]

Roy Hodgson is going to be little more than a footnote in our history; and we will look back on his appointment as a mistake; but one that seemed understandable at the time.

Some of the posts in here sound like our epitaph.

 

[grjt]

[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42955.msg1225460#msg1225460 date=1290976661]

Roy Hodgson is going to be little more than a footnote in our history; and we will look back on his appointment as a mistake; but one that seemed understandable at the time.

Some of the posts in here sound like our epitaph.


[/quote]

Spot. On.


I never consciously had a choice over who I supported, and Ive never really asked myself why I "chose" us.

Its baffling why some people seem to relish us being beaten so much.

 

[mark1975]

[quote author=grjt link=topic=42955.msg1225462#msg1225462 date=1290976844]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42955.msg1225460#msg1225460 date=1290976661]

Roy Hodgson is going to be little more than a footnote in our history; and we will look back on his appointment as a mistake; but one that seemed understandable at the time.

Some of the posts in here sound like our epitaph.


[/quote]

Spot. On.


I never consciously had a choice over who I supported, and Ive never really asked myself why I "chose" us.

Its baffling why some people seem to relish us being beaten so much.
[/quote]

Yep, pretty much bang on there by both of you, all this basking in our decline and loving the 'I told you so' mentality is just fucking wrong. I want us to win, someone asked me why I want Roy to succeed when he's so clearly out of his depth, I want LIVERPOOL to succeed, I want us to win every game as always, and if Roy being successful is an offshoot of that, I think I can live with it.

 

[Sunny]

[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225418#msg1225418 date=1290974959]
I said I felt sorry for anyone who thought we were gonna get anything out of the game because they would have been disappointed, unfortunately that included me too in the end.

But I guess I underestimated the sensitivties on some on here, my mistake, I though it was a forum full of men
[/quote]

I approach every game with the opinion we can get something out of it. Of course that view is also balanced with a weighing of whether that is realistic or not. But, it's football, strange things happen. I expected us fully to get a result against Blackpool as I'm sure most Blackpool fans did. The reverse obviously can be true. The difference between going to a game now and 25 years ago is that nowadays you go with the approach of "can we win today?" whereas many moons ago all you though was "how many will we win by?".

Yeh of course our standards our slipped - the lack of a league title demonstrates that and we're probably at our weakest for God knows how many years. We'll come good again one day (I hope) but we need to shake this aura of "we're beaten before we've kicked a ball" right off. If we're going into every game with that attitude what fucking chance have the players got? What's the difference in a fan saying "Yep, we're deffo going to get beat today" from Roy hapless Hodgson bleating on and forever playing down our chances all the fucking time?It's hypocrisy - you have the same type of fan playing down our chances and then berating the manager for doing the same thing.

The very same type of fan who sits on their arse moaning how "shit the crowd/Kop was tonight" whilst sitting on their fucking arses in front of the telly with a nice warm mug of cocoa. Sorry, bollocks. get off your arses and do something about it I'd say. Know what the standard reply is? :- "Why should I pay money to watch that shite?".

Because it's your fucking club - THAT'S why. It's so easy to support a winning team - I've said it loads. That doesn't mean when things are rough we stop having some hope and belief.

Yes, we're poo at the moment - relative to our glorious history but come on, fuck it, we need to sort ourselves out as a club - players, staff and fans alike and start injecting a little bit of belief back into ourselves. Fuck the brow beaten negative shite off - negative tactics and negative attitude. At least Hodgson is starting to play a little better footy now - it's far from what we need and I doubt he's ever going to be the right man. We all know we don't have the right squad. Rome wasn't built in a day though and nor will Liverpool Football Club be rebuilt.

It's going to take time and hard work but we have to start thinking more positively - if we don't it just weakens an already weakened club.

I understood what you were saying Anita - I'm not hurt by it and I don't think you're any less of a fan - but I do think it's a little negative. We all have high standards for our club but the club is not just players - it's fans as well and it's high time some of us, as fans, start getting behind our team again. There's nothing wrong with being realistic but when you lose hope then what's the point ?

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42955.msg1225464#msg1225464 date=1290977051]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42955.msg1225462#msg1225462 date=1290976844]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42955.msg1225460#msg1225460 date=1290976661]

Roy Hodgson is going to be little more than a footnote in our history; and we will look back on his appointment as a mistake; but one that seemed understandable at the time.

Some of the posts in here sound like our epitaph.


[/quote]



Spot. On.


I never consciously had a choice over who I supported, and Ive never really asked myself why I "chose" us.

Its baffling why some people seem to relish us being beaten so much.
[/quote]

Yep, pretty much bang on there by both of you, all this basking in our decline and loving the 'I told you so' mentality is just fucking wrong. I want us to win, someone asked me why I want Roy to succeed when he's so clearly out of his depth, I want LIVERPOOL to succeed, I want us to win every game as always, and if Roy being successful is an offshoot of that, I think I can live with it.
[/quote]

Yep. I've seen people say they want us to lose so that it hastens Roy's departure. What an odd stance. Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.

 

[Sunny]

[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=42955.msg1225467#msg1225467 date=1290977185]
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=42955.msg1225464#msg1225464 date=1290977051]
[quote author=grjt link=topic=42955.msg1225462#msg1225462 date=1290976844]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42955.msg1225460#msg1225460 date=1290976661]

Roy Hodgson is going to be little more than a footnote in our history; and we will look back on his appointment as a mistake; but one that seemed understandable at the time.

Some of the posts in here sound like our epitaph.


[/quote]



Spot. On.


I never consciously had a choice over who I supported, and Ive never really asked myself why I "chose" us.

Its baffling why some people seem to relish us being beaten so much.
[/quote]

Yep, pretty much bang on there by both of you, all this basking in our decline and loving the 'I told you so' mentality is just fucking wrong. I want us to win, someone asked me why I want Roy to succeed when he's so clearly out of his depth, I want LIVERPOOL to succeed, I want us to win every game as always, and if Roy being successful is an offshoot of that, I think I can live with it.
[/quote]

Yep. I've seen people say they want us to lose so that it hastens Roy's departure. What an odd stance. Talk about cutting your nose off to spite your face.
[/quote]

it fucking baffles and maddens me.

 

[Judge Jules]

It isn't a view I could ever share either, but I would not be as critical of those who hold it as you fellas are. The prospect that a victory here and there could prolong Roy's tenure of the job, without ever adding up to sufficient improvement in themselves, is one that gives me the heebie-jeebies too.

 

[Fabio]

I'd happily keep roy here forever if he kept winning. If we keep losing he's falling on his own sword. But to WANT to lose shows a disrespect for the club, the players and our history

 

[Mamma Mia]

Top post Sunny.

 

[singlerider]

[quote author=IanTheRed link=topic=42955.msg1225350#msg1225350 date=1290972097]
Why the fuck didn't Konchesky take Lennon down, and take one for the team? I've done it twice for my team, the fucking slow bastard - just grab his legs and drag him down, fuck morality.
[/quote]

That was my exact thought when I saw it.

Total lost cause - ok, it's Lennon, so it's by no means a certainty, but he's one-on-one and stands a pretty decent chance of scoring - hack him the fuck down, take the red and the free kick.

And as an added bonus, Konchesky is then banned and we have to play somebody else who is better, such as Aurelio or Kelly

 

[Spionkop69]

[quote author=Sunny link=topic=42955.msg1225465#msg1225465 date=1290977088]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225418#msg1225418 date=1290974959]
I said I felt sorry for anyone who thought we were gonna get anything out of the game because they would have been disappointed, unfortunately that included me too in the end.

But I guess I underestimated the sensitivties on some on here, my mistake, I though it was a forum full of men
[/quote]

I approach every game with the opinion we can get something out of it. Of course that view is also balanced with a weighing of whether that is realistic or not. But, it's football, strange things happen. I expected us fully to get a result against Blackpool as I'm sure most Blackpool fans did. The reverse obviously can be true. The difference between going to a game now and 25 years ago is that nowadays you go with the approach of "can we win today?" whereas many moons ago all you though was "how many will we win by?".

Yeh of course our standards our slipped - the lack of a league title demonstrates that and we're probably at our weakest for God knows how many years. We'll come good again one day (I hope) but we need to shake this aura of "we're beaten before we've kicked a ball" right off. If we're going into every game with that attitude what fucking chance have the players got? What's the difference in a fan saying "Yep, we're deffo going to get beat today" from Roy hapless Hodgson bleating on and forever playing down our chances all the fucking time?It's hypocrisy - you have the same type of fan playing down our chances and then berating the manager for doing the same thing.

The very same type of fan who sits on their arse moaning how "shit the crowd/Kop was tonight" whilst sitting on their fucking arses in front of the telly with a nice warm mug of cocoa. Sorry, bollocks. get off your arses and do something about it I'd say. Know what the standard reply is? :- "Why should I pay money to watch that shite?".


Because it's your fucking club - THAT'S why. It's so easy to support a winning team - I've said it loads. That doesn't mean when things are rough we stop having some hope and belief.

Yes, we're poo at the moment - relative to our glorious history but come on, fuck it, we need to sort ourselves out as a club - players, staff and fans alike and start injecting a little bit of belief back into ourselves. Fuck the brow beaten negative shite off - negative tactics and negative attitude. At least Hodgson is starting to play a little better footy now - it's far from what we need and I doubt he's ever going to be the right man. We all know we don't have the right squad. Rome wasn't built in a day though and nor will Liverpool Football Club be rebuilt.

It's going to take time and hard work but we have to start thinking more positively - if we don't it just weakens an already weakened club.

I understood what you were saying Anita - I'm not hurt by it and I don't think you're any less of a fan - but I do think it's a little negative. We all have high standards for our club but the club is not just players - it's fans as well and it's high time some of us, as fans, start getting behind our team again. There's nothing wrong with being realistic but when you lose hope then what's the point ?


[/quote]

Top post mate.

 

[Avmenon]

[quote author=Mamma Mia link=topic=42955.msg1225560#msg1225560 date=1290981261]
Top post Sunny.
[/quote]

'twas indeed

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Sunny link=topic=42955.msg1225465#msg1225465 date=1290977088]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225418#msg1225418 date=1290974959]
I said I felt sorry for anyone who thought we were gonna get anything out of the game because they would have been disappointed, unfortunately that included me too in the end.

But I guess I underestimated the sensitivties on some on here, my mistake, I though it was a forum full of men
[/quote]

I approach every game with the opinion we can get something out of it. Of course that view is also balanced with a weighing of whether that is realistic or not. But, it's football, strange things happen. I expected us fully to get a result against Blackpool as I'm sure most Blackpool fans did. The reverse obviously can be true. The difference between going to a game now and 25 years ago is that nowadays you go with the approach of "can we win today?" whereas many moons ago all you though was "how many will we win by?".

Yeh of course our standards our slipped - the lack of a league title demonstrates that and we're probably at our weakest for God knows how many years. We'll come good again one day (I hope) but we need to shake this aura of "we're beaten before we've kicked a ball" right off. If we're going into every game with that attitude what fucking chance have the players got? What's the difference in a fan saying "Yep, we're deffo going to get beat today" from Roy hapless Hodgson bleating on and forever playing down our chances all the fucking time?It's hypocrisy - you have the same type of fan playing down our chances and then berating the manager for doing the same thing.

The very same type of fan who sits on their arse moaning how "shit the crowd/Kop was tonight" whilst sitting on their fucking arses in front of the telly with a nice warm mug of cocoa. Sorry, bollocks. get off your arses and do something about it I'd say. Know what the standard reply is? :- "Why should I pay money to watch that shite?".

Because it's your fucking club - THAT'S why. It's so easy to support a winning team - I've said it loads. That doesn't mean when things are rough we stop having some hope and belief.

Yes, we're poo at the moment - relative to our glorious history but come on, fuck it, we need to sort ourselves out as a club - players, staff and fans alike and start injecting a little bit of belief back into ourselves. Fuck the brow beaten negative shite off - negative tactics and negative attitude. At least Hodgson is starting to play a little better footy now - it's far from what we need and I doubt he's ever going to be the right man. We all know we don't have the right squad. Rome wasn't built in a day though and nor will Liverpool Football Club be rebuilt.

It's going to take time and hard work but we have to start thinking more positively - if we don't it just weakens an already weakened club.

I understood what you were saying Anita - I'm not hurt by it and I don't think you're any less of a fan - but I do think it's a little negative. We all have high standards for our club but the club is not just players - it's fans as well and it's high time some of us, as fans, start getting behind our team again. There's nothing wrong with being realistic but when you lose hope then what's the point ?


[/quote]

good post, sunny. I think, though, you have to admit there is a 'bit' of a difference between a fan being pessimistic on a fan forum and a manager being pessimistic in a press conference.

 

[Sunny]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42955.msg1225771#msg1225771 date=1291022193]
good post, sunny. I think, though, you have to admit there is a 'bit' of a difference between a fan being pessimistic on a fan forum and a manager being pessimistic in a press conference.
[/quote]

Of course there's a difference as the manager SHOULD be encouraging the team. In the same, respect so should we as fans - to a point.

 

[ILD]

[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225418#msg1225418 date=1290974959]
I said I felt sorry for anyone who thought we were gonna get anything out of the game because they would have been disappointed, unfortunately that included me too in the end.

But I guess I underestimated the sensitivties on some on here, my mistake, I though it was a forum full of men
[/quote]

This stance really gets under my skin. Yeah Anita, poor us, poor naive fools who raised their expectations and felt we could get something from a 90 minute game of football. Our manager may be a perennial loser but let's not all adopt his attitude. We are the fans who support our team through thick and thin.
I go into all games hoping we can get something out of it. If we don't go in with that attitude, then what's the point 'supporting' the team. I'm all for being realistic at times but we don't need your pity and 'told you so' attitude.

Not having a dig at you personally as many others have placed themselves in this camp for quite some time now. I think Roy is an average man and an average manager and want him out asap. However, I still go into games 'hoping' we can get the points. My head might be telling me one thing but my heart will want to believe we can win. Yes we might feel disappointed after the game but that's football. I'm not going to start going into games expecting to lose so I won't feel disappointed. Fuck that.

 

[peterhague]

[quote author=ILD link=topic=42955.msg1225811#msg1225811 date=1291025893]
[quote author=LadyRed link=topic=42955.msg1225418#msg1225418 date=1290974959]
I said I felt sorry for anyone who thought we were gonna get anything out of the game because they would have been disappointed, unfortunately that included me too in the end.

But I guess I underestimated the sensitivties on some on here, my mistake, I though it was a forum full of men
[/quote]

This stance really gets under my skin. Yeah Anita, poor us, poor naive fools who raised their expectations and felt we could get something from a 90 minute game of football. Our manager may be a perennial loser but let's not all adopt his attitude. We are the fans who support our team through thick and thin.
I go into all games hoping we can get something out of it. If we don't go in with that attitude, then what's the point 'supporting' the team. I'm all for being realistic at times but we don't need your pity and 'told you so' attitude.

Not having a dig at you personally as many others have placed themselves in this camp for quite some time now. I think Roy is an average man and an average manager and want him out asap. However, I still go into games 'hoping' we can get the points. My head might be telling me one thing but my heart will want to believe we can win. Yes we might feel disappointed after the game but that's football. I'm not going to start going into games expecting to lose so I won't feel disappointed. Fuck that.
[/quote]

it's a pointless exercise, anyway. if i could just just flick a switch and not mind us losing just because i expected it, i'd have done it fucking years ago. i'm afraid most of us are in it far too deep for that.

 

[LadyRed]

Agree with most of what you've said Sunny and ILD, and really, as much I might say one thing of course during the game I started to believe we'd get something out of it, because all the logic in the world beforehand, and as much as I was trying to hold on to it during the game, goes out the window when you watch the team and get drawn in.