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[quote author=jan link=topic=42955.msg1225183#msg1225183 date=1290968500]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=42955.msg1225175#msg1225175 date=1290968370]
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42955.msg1225153#msg1225153 date=1290968047]
note to roy; aurelio is fit again so fuck off konchesky to the bench as he is a liability.
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Exactly, I thought Aurelio looked impressive in his cameo again while Konchesky might be even worse than Insua
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might?
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Well Konchesky certainly is a disaster but let's not forget how fucking shit Insua was as well
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Yeah, Insua was worse.
 
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[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=42955.msg1225137#msg1225137 date=1290967830]
Obviously we're not out of a top 4 place. Will we get it? I doubt it. But to say it's over is sensationalist, fickle, reactionary bullshit.
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it's not reactionary.
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two away wins all season. to say we are still in with a shout of CL football next season assumes our away from will pick up and what evidence is there that it will? reactionary? hmmm, I don't think it is to be honest.

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i can say with a fair amount of certainty that it's definitely not reactionary.
 
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=42955.msg1225164#msg1225164 date=1290968187]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42955.msg1225146#msg1225146 date=1290967991]
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[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42955.msg1225099#msg1225099 date=1290967435]
Roy's getting far too easy a ride from too many here. Who went halfway to conceding the game in his pre-match comments? Who prepares the players who missed those chances? Who told them to sit deep in the second half and surrender the momentum back to Tottenham? The buck stops with Roy, and rightly so. He has to go, HAS to.
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Feels weird defending Hodgson, but you're talking shite JJ. We played well today: we were positive, we went for the victory. I don't even agree that we sat back in the second half. Spurs pressed us, but we were always looking for the counter. We deserved at least a point from the game, and it was a cruel defeat. But that's our best away performance of the season by a long way, despite the fact that Gerrard was injured and Torres off form. To see that as the last straw for a manager who has already overseen home defeats to Northampton and Blackpool is just fucking ridiculous IMO.

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Utter piffle. Spurs pressed us in the first half too, and we still won the half. In the second we were trying to play from further back. Spurs alone weren't responsible for that. And WTF difference does it supposedly make that we've already lost to worse teams?
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JJ - Is it fair to say that we should have been 3-0 up 5 minutes into the 2nd half?
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Yes, mate, and yes, it was the players who missed the chances in question. Leaving aside (if you insist on doing so) the fact that the manager is responsible for preparing the team, that still leaves our constricted tactics in the second half. I respect Bunny's view, but to me saying that's all down to Spurs just doesn't hold water - they didn't try any less hard before half-time.
 
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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=42955.msg1225175#msg1225175 date=1290968370]
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=42955.msg1225153#msg1225153 date=1290968047]
note to roy; aurelio is fit again so fuck off konchesky to the bench as he is a liability.
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Exactly, I thought Aurelio looked impressive in his cameo again while Konchesky might be even worse than Insua
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might?
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Well Konchesky certainly is a disaster but let's not forget how fucking shit Insua was as well
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least he had an excuse. He was fat
 
"Minutes away from leaving with a point. Something which we could have been very proud of"
 
when aurelio is fit (ha ha 😉 ) he should play because I believe aurelio is a good player hampared by injuries, I think konchesky on the other hand is just poor regardless of fitness.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=42955.msg1225184#msg1225184 date=1290968542]
Yeah I still think Insua was worse.

Anyway on a lighter note Meireles looks like an excellent signing
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I think he is a poor signing as we would have been better spending the money on a direct replacement for Masher, although Meireles is a very good player.
 
The Aurelio sub was poor though. Why not put on a striker so that we dont have to swap 3 positions?!
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42955.msg1225188#msg1225188 date=1290968603]
Yes, mate, and yes, it was the players who missed the chances in question. Leaving aside (if you insist on doing so) the fact that the manager is responsible for preparing the team, that still leaves our constricted tactics in the second half. I respect Bunny's view, but to me saying that's all down to Spurs just doesn't hold water - they didn't try any less hard before half-time.
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Harsh, imho. If it's the manager's fault that the players missed those sitters, why isn't he the reason that Torres got those two against chelsea as well? I didn't see anybody giving him credit for preparing 'Nando for those two screamers...
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42955.msg1225205#msg1225205 date=1290968911]
The Aurelio sub was poor though. Why not put on a striker so that we dont have to swap 3 positions?!
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Because we had players already involved in the game who could make the change quite comfortably.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42955.msg1225205#msg1225205 date=1290968911]
The Aurelio sub was poor though. Why not put on a striker so that we dont have to swap 3 positions?!
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I woud have also subbed aurelio for konchesky (to be honest I would have started aurelio) and I would have subbed kuyt (who had a poor game imho) but I wouldn't have done much more differently.
 
What players were they Whadders? Which ones were you comfortable with to be able to 'change the game'?

How many of them have scored more than, say, TWO fucking Premiership goals all season.

Because goals change games. Not five yard fucking passes.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42955.msg1225220#msg1225220 date=1290969111]
What players were they Whadders? Which ones were you comfortable with to be able to 'change the game'?

How many of them have scored more than, say, TWO fucking Premiership goals all season.

Because goals change games. Not five yard fucking passes.
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What striker would you have brought on that's better than Dirk?
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=42955.msg1225225#msg1225225 date=1290969275]
We had our chances and didn't take them. It's as simple as that for me.
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yep.
 
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=42955.msg1225225#msg1225225 date=1290969275]
We had our chances and didn't take them. It's as simple as that for me.
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This.

Spent the final 40 minutes of that game thinking "this is gonna end up exactly like the 2008/09 game" - Even had Maxi's miss to compete with Xabi's miss two years back as contender for miss of the season. And the last gasp winner. It was practically the same game.
 
I wouldn't have played with Eggnog at all, because he's one of the worst players I've ever seen.

But that wasn't really my point, you rather smugly claimed we had plenty of game-changing ability already on the pitch; I used simple facts and supporting evidence to suggest that we didn't really.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42955.msg1225220#msg1225220 date=1290969111]
What players were they Whadders? Which ones were you comfortable with to be able to 'change the game'?

How many of them have scored more than, say, TWO fucking Premiership goals all season.

Because goals change games. Not five yard fucking passes.
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What striker would you have brought on that's better than Dirk?
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it's not a matter of 'better' it's a matter of attempting to change the flow of the game. if kuyt is having a mare then someone else may have more joy even though kuyt is normally more efficient.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42955.msg1225239#msg1225239 date=1290969519]
I wouldn't have played with Eggnog at all, because he's one of the worst players I've ever seen.

But that wasn't really my point, you rather smugly claimed we had plenty of game-changing ability already on the pitch; I used simple facts and supporting evidence to suggest that we didn't really.
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Well not really as we did have some decent chances. It seemed we had just as many as Spurs. I think our problem is the other end - defence. We've looked suspect all season. And Konchesky is fucking shite that should be without doubt.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42955.msg1225239#msg1225239 date=1290969519]
I wouldn't have played with Eggnog at all, because he's one of the worst players I've ever seen.

But that wasn't really my point, you rather smugly claimed we had plenty of game-changing ability already on the pitch; I used simple facts and supporting evidence to suggest that we didn't really.
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i agree, i don't know why he played ngog at all. if you want to play 442, then put kuyt up front, maxi in his best position on the right, and one of jova, babel, and aurelio on the left.

seems simple enough.
 
I feel sorry for the likes of Meireles and Skrtel who I thought were both excellent today (aside from thw OG obviously) Konchesky isn't the answer to our left back troubles though.
Maxi and Torres should have taken their chances and we'd have won it.It really is that simple.
What's with Torres over-running every chance he gets this season?
It's annoying too because for everyone creaming themselves over Spurs this season, a win would have put us on the same points as them despite us being really shit for the majority of the season.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42955.msg1225239#msg1225239 date=1290969519]
I wouldn't have played with Eggnog at all, because he's one of the worst players I've ever seen.

But that wasn't really my point, you rather smugly claimed we had plenty of game-changing ability already on the pitch; I used simple facts and supporting evidence to suggest that we didn't really.
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This is you in a nutshell.

I said nothing of the sort and wasn't the slightest bit smug. The question was asked 'why swap players?'. I answered it.

Nowhere did I say anything close to "we have plenty of game-changing ability already on the pitch". I said that we had players already on the pitch comfortable in the positions they were changed into.

But, in your never-ending quest to get into arguments, you take a simple statement and make it into something it bears absolutely no resemblance to.

I agree that Ngog shouldn't have started the match, but that has nothing to do with the initial question that I was responding to.
 
[quote author=PaulGorst link=topic=42955.msg1225251#msg1225251 date=1290969738]
I feel sorry for the likes of Meireles and Skrtel who I thought were both excellent today (aside from thw OG obviously) Konchesky isn't the answer to our left back troubles though.
Maxi and Torres should have taken their chances and we'd have won it.It really is that simple.
What's with Torres over-running every chance he gets this season?
It's annoying too because for everyone creaming themselves over Spurs this season, a win would have put us on the same points as them despite us being really shit for the majority of the season.
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Good post - although, on the flip side, a couple of results the wrong way we're back down in the mire again.
 
Like I said, Budgie and the rabid anti-Benitez posters would like to blame all our ills on the previous incumbent, but there's no doubt that Budgie himself is simply one of life's fucking losers. When it really counts, when the margins are fine, when we need inspiration, luck or divine intervention, there is only one certainty in life other than taxes and death - Budgie will lose.
 
As it stands, they're six points ahead of us with City in 4th seven points ahead of us. It was an ecouraging away display but the bottom line is, we didn't get anything. Frustrating.
 
We played good at times today we just miss a few players. Like we need a new LB two fast wingers with skill that can change a game plus a new striker, thing is we have needed this for about 5 years.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=42955.msg1225239#msg1225239 date=1290969519]
I wouldn't have played with Eggnog at all, because he's one of the worst players I've ever seen.

But that wasn't really my point, you rather smugly claimed we had plenty of game-changing ability already on the pitch; I used simple facts and supporting evidence to suggest that we didn't really.
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He didn't say game changing ability.

I think he meant players who could accommodate the switching of roles.

Kuyt from RW -> Striker
Maxi from LW -> RW

We didn't have better options on the bench for those positions, did we?
 
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