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so, spurs. do you think we have a chance?

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[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=42886.msg1222390#msg1222390 date=1290444442]
Can't believe how many 'supporters write us off so easily despite evidence to the contrary !

Let's start with Spurs' home record 3-3-1 : just 3 wins from 7 - that's worse than ours. Goals ? 1.5 to 1. Spurs have also been awful after CL matches. And there is this :-

whisper it quietly, there is evidence to suggest the Reds are rediscovering the art of consistency.

Making such a statement may sound ridiculous, given the wounds of the Britannia Stadium debacle are still fresh, but it is impossible to argue with figures and since losing to Everton on October 17, Liverpool’s points to games ratio is the second best in the division.

Only Manchester United (14) can better Liverpool’s haul of 13 points from the last 18 available; Arsenal’s free-flowing football has brought them 12 in the same period while the nation’s favourite club, Tottenham Hotspur, have managed a haul of eight, one fewer than Chelsea.

No wonder the bookies give us a 6/10 chance of at least a point.
[/quote]

Right, get out. Rational argument is not allowed on here. As you well know!
 
Yeah - but they are better than us, have a better manager than us, and we're shit away from home.

That's enough for me to be pessimistic.
 
And Roy wins one away game every season. Which we did against Bolton.

If we set up the right team and tactics then we have a shot. But Roy will set us up defensivly with Lucas and Poulsen in the middle, and we'll hand them the game.
 
-------------Torres----Kuyt----------
---Jova---------------------------Maxi----
-----------Meireles---Lucas-----------
--Konch---Skrtel---Greek---Carra---
------------------Reina--------------
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42886.msg1222430#msg1222430 date=1290450420]
-------------Torres----Kuyt----------
---Jova---------------------------Maxi----
-----------Meireles---Lucas-----------
--Konch---Skrtel---Greek---Carra---
------------------Reina--------------
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Our right flank will get raped with that lineup.
 
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=42886.msg1222493#msg1222493 date=1290456916]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42886.msg1222430#msg1222430 date=1290450420]
-------------Torres----Kuyt----------
---Jova---------------------------Maxi----
-----------Meireles---Lucas-----------
--Konch---Skrtel---Greek---Carra---
------------------Reina--------------
[/quote]

Our right flank will get raped with that lineup.
[/quote]

Not as bad as it would with Stephen fucking Darby in the team.
 
[quote author=dmishra link=topic=42886.msg1222187#msg1222187 date=1290419070]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42886.msg1222184#msg1222184 date=1290418908]
We'll string 10 players across the edge of the box trying desperately to keep them out for 90 minutes.

Our attacking will consist of long hopeful punts up to Torres and praying like fuck that he pulls something out of his arse.

I can't hardly wait.
[/quote]

More or less. Lucas will be back in the middle and Meireles will be flogged out to the right. And unless Spurs don't turn up at all, I fully expect us to lose.
[/quote]

If he shunts Raul to the right and gets rid of Magic then I'll seriously be out of patience for him. Our Portugese midfielder needs to be playing in the centre - particularly without Stevie around. I expect Lucas to come in but I think Magic showed plenty of heart against West Ham and I think he'd love the challenge of facing Bale - with plenty of support from Kuyt.
 
Stop Van Der Vaart playing.

Id play:
Reina
Aurelio
Skrtel
The Greek
Carragher

Maxi
Miereles
Lucas
Johnson

Kuyt
Torres.

Johnson can help Carragher with Bale and Lucas can sit on Van Der Vaart. Give their defenders more to think about than kicking Torres and try and get Maxi pushed up nearer Deadly and Nando.
 
Oh and he wont play that, and we will lose 3-0

He'll play a shit over defensive formation and instead of having two players who can pull something special out of the bag we have one who will be isolated and frustrated.
 
-------------------------Reina
Johnson-----Carragher-----Skrtel----Konchesky
------------------------Lucas-------------------------
Kuyt-----------Meireles-----Cole------Jovanovic
----------------------Torres-------------------------
 
I really wish people would get this idea of Johnson at right wing out of their heads.

It's a nonsense theory based on fuck all.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42886.msg1222652#msg1222652 date=1290507872]
I really wish people would get this idea of Johnson at right wing out of their heads.

It's a nonsense theory based on fuck all.
[/quote]

b.....bu.........but gareth bale!

it doesn't matter if johnson can't cross and bale can, johnno is much better suited to right wing
 
I don't think it's about whether he can cross or not, it's about where he likes to start his attacking runs. Does he like to do them from deep, and make advantage of overlaps, or does he like to do it from a more advanced position.

Or maybe not whether he likes it or not, more which is he more productive from.

I don't think he'll be moved anytime soon though, with his confidence still needing a bit of a boost. Putting him out of position most likely won't help him.
 
Can't believe you want Carra at right back. If there is one player that will get absolutly raped by Bale it's Carra. He isn't a right back and has proved that countless of times.

Stop worrying about who they'll line up with, and play a team that can keep possesion and create something.

Reina

Johnson Carra Skrtel Konchesky


Kuyt Meireles Lucas Maxi

Cole

Torres
 
[quote author=Paddy link=topic=42886.msg1222531#msg1222531 date=1290459311]
[quote author=Akakabooto link=topic=42886.msg1222493#msg1222493 date=1290456916]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=42886.msg1222430#msg1222430 date=1290450420]
-------------Torres----Kuyt----------
---Jova---------------------------Maxi----
-----------Meireles---Lucas-----------
--Konch---Skrtel---Greek---Carra---
------------------Reina--------------
[/quote]

Our right flank will get raped with that lineup.
[/quote]

Not as bad as it would with Stephen fucking Darby in the team.
[/quote]

I'd rather have Darby there than Carra. If you insist on playing Carra as rb then he at least needs support from his winger and I don't think Maxi can give that.

e.Uh, Kelly of course not Darby.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42886.msg1222663#msg1222663 date=1290509956]
Can't believe you want Carra at right back. If there is one player that will get absolutly raped by Bale it's Carra. He isn't a right back and has proved that countless of times.

Stop worrying about who they'll line up with, and play a team that can keep possesion and create something.

Reina

Johnson Carra Skrtel Konchesky


Kuyt Meireles Lucas Maxi

Cole

Torres
[/quote]

I'll be amazed if that isn't the team that starts. if cole is missing the expect poulsen to partner lucas with raul in support of torres (or worse right midfield) so let's hope cole is fit.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42886.msg1222652#msg1222652 date=1290507872]
I really wish people would get this idea of Johnson at right wing out of their heads.

It's a nonsense theory based on fuck all.
[/quote]Its not based on fuck all. Its based on the fact he's a shit defender who is great at going forward. So take away one and rely more on the other. Im not saying it WILL work or anything, but what exactly is the harm in giving it a go.
 
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=42886.msg1222656#msg1222656 date=1290508590]
I don't think it's about whether he can cross or not, it's about where he likes to start his attacking runs. Does he like to do them from deep, and make advantage of overlaps, or does he like to do it from a more advanced position.

Or maybe not whether he likes it or not, more which is he more productive from.

I don't think he'll be moved anytime soon though, with his confidence still needing a bit of a boost. Putting him out of position most likely won't help him.
[/quote]

Agreed. I'd keep him at RB. He's a good player, and needs to build on his West Ham display. And let's not forget he was also our best player for much of last season.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42886.msg1222671#msg1222671 date=1290510630]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42886.msg1222652#msg1222652 date=1290507872]
I really wish people would get this idea of Johnson at right wing out of their heads.

It's a nonsense theory based on fuck all.
[/quote]Its not based on fuck all. Its based on the fact he's a shit defender who is great at going forward. So take away one and rely more on the other. Im not saying it WILL work or anything, but what exactly is the harm in giving it a go.
[/quote]

The harm that's almost always done by putting a square peg in a round hole, however persuasive the reason for doing it may initially look. Folk keep quoting Bale as a comparison, but Bale played at least as much at LM as he did at LB before going to Tottenham. Magic on the other hand is very inexperienced further forward, having hardly played there in comparison with the number of times he's played at RB - for which there's likely to be very good reason. It's theoretically possible that all his managers so far may have read him wrong, but I highly doubt it.
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42886.msg1222673#msg1222673 date=1290511319]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42886.msg1222671#msg1222671 date=1290510630]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42886.msg1222652#msg1222652 date=1290507872]
I really wish people would get this idea of Johnson at right wing out of their heads.

It's a nonsense theory based on fuck all.
[/quote]Its not based on fuck all. Its based on the fact he's a shit defender who is great at going forward. So take away one and rely more on the other. Im not saying it WILL work or anything, but what exactly is the harm in giving it a go.
[/quote]

The harm that's almost always done by putting a square peg in a round hole, however persuasive the reason for doing it may initially look. Folk keep quoting Bale as a comparison, but Bale played at least as much at LM as he did at LB before going to Tottenham. Magic on the other hand is very inexperienced further forward, having hardly played there in comparison with the number of times he's played at RB - for which there's likely to be very good reason. It's theoretically possible that all his managers so far may have read him wrong, but I highly doubt it.
[/quote]He's played as many times at RM for West Ham and Portsmouth as Bale did for Southampton. I didnt however make that comparison and im not even subscribing to it.
Its hardly a square peg, he's an attacking RB or old fashioned RWB who likes to play further up the pitch.
It hardly matters as it will likely never happen. If we had a RM who was pulling up trees or for that matter if Johnson was a rock solid RB then i wouldnt even suggest it. But there are plenty of examples of full backs eventually realising they are better in a more advanced position. If you dont agree then thats fine.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=42886.msg1222674#msg1222674 date=1290511798]
Did someone just say they'd rather see Darby play ahead of Carra?
[/quote]

Kelly I meant Kelly!
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42886.msg1222676#msg1222676 date=1290512117]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42886.msg1222673#msg1222673 date=1290511319]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42886.msg1222671#msg1222671 date=1290510630]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42886.msg1222652#msg1222652 date=1290507872]
I really wish people would get this idea of Johnson at right wing out of their heads.

It's a nonsense theory based on fuck all.
[/quote]Its not based on fuck all. Its based on the fact he's a shit defender who is great at going forward. So take away one and rely more on the other. Im not saying it WILL work or anything, but what exactly is the harm in giving it a go.
[/quote]

The harm that's almost always done by putting a square peg in a round hole, however persuasive the reason for doing it may initially look. Folk keep quoting Bale as a comparison, but Bale played at least as much at LM as he did at LB before going to Tottenham. Magic on the other hand is very inexperienced further forward, having hardly played there in comparison with the number of times he's played at RB - for which there's likely to be very good reason. It's theoretically possible that all his managers so far may have read him wrong, but I highly doubt it.
[/quote]He's played as many times at RM for West Ham and Portsmouth as Bale did for Southampton. I didnt however make that comparison and im not even subscribing to it.
Its hardly a square peg, he's an attacking RB or old fashioned RWB who likes to play further up the pitch.
It hardly matters as it will likely never happen. If we had a RM who was pulling up trees or for that matter if Johnson was a rock solid RB then i wouldnt even suggest it. But there are plenty of examples of full backs eventually realising they are better in a more advanced position. If you dont agree then thats fine.
[/quote]

I don't agree with any of those highlighted bits, I'm afraid. Where I do agree is that it probably won't happen.
 
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=42886.msg1222663#msg1222663 date=1290509956]
Can't believe you want Carra at right back. If there is one player that will get absolutly raped by Bale it's Carra. He isn't a right back and has proved that countless of times.

Stop worrying about who they'll line up with, and play a team that can keep possesion and create something.

Reina

Johnson Carra Skrtel Konchesky


Kuyt Meireles Lucas Maxi

Cole

Torres
[/quote]

Thats the team I picked earlier in the thread. Now Im worried that Poulsen will keep his place ahead of Lucas. Whats the world coming to?
 
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42886.msg1222690#msg1222690 date=1290514219]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42886.msg1222676#msg1222676 date=1290512117]
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=42886.msg1222673#msg1222673 date=1290511319]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=42886.msg1222671#msg1222671 date=1290510630]
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=42886.msg1222652#msg1222652 date=1290507872]
I really wish people would get this idea of Johnson at right wing out of their heads.

It's a nonsense theory based on fuck all.
[/quote]Its not based on fuck all. Its based on the fact he's a shit defender who is great at going forward. So take away one and rely more on the other. Im not saying it WILL work or anything, but what exactly is the harm in giving it a go.
[/quote]

The harm that's almost always done by putting a square peg in a round hole, however persuasive the reason for doing it may initially look. Folk keep quoting Bale as a comparison, but Bale played at least as much at LM as he did at LB before going to Tottenham. Magic on the other hand is very inexperienced further forward, having hardly played there in comparison with the number of times he's played at RB - for which there's likely to be very good reason. It's theoretically possible that all his managers so far may have read him wrong, but I highly doubt it.
[/quote]He's played as many times at RM for West Ham and Portsmouth as Bale did for Southampton. I didnt however make that comparison and im not even subscribing to it.
Its hardly a square peg, he's an attacking RB or old fashioned RWB who likes to play further up the pitch.
It hardly matters as it will likely never happen. If we had a RM who was pulling up trees or for that matter if Johnson was a rock solid RB then i wouldnt even suggest it. But there are plenty of examples of full backs eventually realising they are better in a more advanced position. If you dont agree then thats fine.
[/quote]

I don't agree with any of those highlighted bits, I'm afraid. Where I do agree is that it probably won't happen.
[/quote]This is from my buddy who's a Saints season ticket holder the last 20 years.

Started lb. Generaly played there and overlapped all the time. Played a handful of games at lm later in his career with us just before he went to yids.

Im not saying Johnson has played a tonne of games at RM but im sure he did a few times for Portsmouth, i remember him and Belhadj being played in advance of two full backs.
Regardless, i dont subscribe to the Bale comparison, its not one that i made.
 
[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=42886.msg1222398#msg1222398 date=1290445370]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=42886.msg1222390#msg1222390 date=1290444442]
Can't believe how many 'supporters write us off so easily despite evidence to the contrary !

Let's start with Spurs' home record 3-3-1 : just 3 wins from 7 - that's worse than ours. Goals ? 1.5 to 1. Spurs have also been awful after CL matches. And there is this :-

whisper it quietly, there is evidence to suggest the Reds are rediscovering the art of consistency.

Making such a statement may sound ridiculous, given the wounds of the Britannia Stadium debacle are still fresh, but it is impossible to argue with figures and since losing to Everton on October 17, Liverpool’s points to games ratio is the second best in the division.

Only Manchester United (14) can better Liverpool’s haul of 13 points from the last 18 available; Arsenal’s free-flowing football has brought them 12 in the same period while the nation’s favourite club, Tottenham Hotspur, have managed a haul of eight, one fewer than Chelsea.

No wonder the bookies give us a 6/10 chance of at least a point.
[/quote]

Right, get out. Rational argument is not allowed on here. As you well know!
[/quote]

:laugh:
 
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