Sack Klopp
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"Arse rivals" sounds like some sort of derogatory term for a homosexual.
I think calling our 4th-placed finish a 'miracle' is a bit extreme. If so, that would put Brodgers firmly in Universal OverLord territory for his great season.
Klopp has taken a massive risk. If he manages to work his magic with this squad, decent CL run, at least 4th in the League again, then he is due every bit of kudos that comes his way. If those things don't happen, then he is culpable and due every criticism, which will be fierce. We all hope for the former, let's see how it goes.
Klopp has taken a massive risk. If he manages to work his magic with this squad, decent CL run, at least 4th in the League again, then he is due every bit of kudos that comes his way. If those things don't happen, then he is culpable and due every criticism, which will be fierce. We all hope for the former, let's see how it goes.
I wouldn't even go with that Larry. Would a "decent run in the CL" and finishing 4th in the league again, after the money spent, be actual progress? He got to two finals in his first season and finished 4th last season. I'd call that spending £90m to stand still.
We haven't finished top 4 in consecutive seasons for like 10 years now. If Klopp establishes us as a consistent top-4 side, then that's certain progress.
And we really haven't spent much money. Klopp's total net spend is something like 33 million.
16 Players Sold: £113,050,000
13 Players Bought: £146,300,000
Fair enough, but I'm not arsed about net spends. He chose to let certain players go and to bring in players he thinks will improve the squad, he's been given £90m to do that, either way.
Sure, I'm not absolving Klopp of any blame, but it is early days season.
The only point I'm making is that we need to have a clear idea of where exactly we stand as a club to formulate our expectations.
City, United, Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal have consistently outperformed us in the league over the last decade. The reality is we've probably been the 6th best side in England in that time. It's unrealistic then to expect us to become perennial title contenders without having sugar daddy level investment.
What I'm looking for under Klopp (and FSG) is smart, solid team building. There's an opportunity with Arsenal stagnating, and Tottenham moving to Wembley (and perhaps Kane and Alli leaving in the next year) to establish us as a consistent top-4 side.
If Klopp does that, I'd see that as progress.
Obviously, if we do well in the CL, that's great too as that boosts our status in Europe and helps attract better players.
You have to take net spend into consideration though. 30m net would mean he’d only have been able to bring in 30m worth of players in 2.5 seasons if he didn’t ‘choose to let certain players go’.
I'd be happy with that Mark, it's a while since we were that good. Although I do agree, there will come a time where there needs to be more than our ambitions extending to what we used to slag off Arsenal for achieving every year.
Yeah, that's kind of what I was getting at - "winning 4th".
I agree I guess, consolidating our position is progress in itself, fair enough.
Is that realistically how it is though? I mean, we're rarely ever talking about a manager with a squad entirely his and completely what he is 100% committed to keeping. I get the point, but it's not like the likes of Sakho weren't saleable already, to Klopp.
What I mean is, it's not like Klopp has reluctantly sold a few of these players. It certainly doesn't seem so with Sakho anyway.
If you look at this summer, it appears the club had the funds to top-up the Keita fee by £20m and sign Van Dijk for another £50-65m, on top of turning down bids for Coutinho and being prepared to hold out for a sizeable fee on Sakho. I don't think the low net spend is necessarily down to funds, it's been a choice at times.
Net spend is a weird metric anyway. You could argue, for example, that Mané was almost free because of the fee received for Benteke - but more important than the money is effect on the squad and we got the better deal out of that (for us). I think Klopp's net spend can be a little skewed by some of the healthy fees we've received during his tenure, we've paid over our previous transfer record four times under him and were prepared to do so again for Van Dijk.
I'm sure some will have negatives to say about this interview as usual, but I really like what he says and agree with all of it.
This thread is full of entitled quims.
Klopp is one of the world's best managers. Quit your whining. Or you may get what you wish for.
Klopp is one of the world's best managers. Quit your whining. Or you may get what you wish for.
People used to slag Arsenal off for finishing above us year after year? How fucking stupid are those people?
You're right. Consolidate our position in the top four and then don't settle for that but push for more.
People didn't slag Arsenal for finishing above us, people used to slag them for starting each season with ambitions of challenging for honours, only to finish the season celebrating finishing 4th, with selfies etc. They were rightly ridiculed, regardless of our predicament.
The posters who want Klopp gone are in the tiniest minority, you know that. People can criticise him without putting up with this CDNW nonsense.
Which is exactly what Arsenal didn't do.
Of course CNDW is nonsense, but the season has barely started, the manager has admitted failings, and there's nonces galore getting stuck in way above what is deserved, based on raised expectations that the manager himself engineered by getting us out the shite position we were in two seasons ago. In his first full season he got us back in the CL, FFS. in that half season he had, he got us into two finals, and a whisker away from back in the CL.
He's proved himself. Give the man some time to build on that and fix these issues.
Instead you have self deluded "Clever-o-philes", who love the sight of their own text comparing him to Keegan as an attempt to undermine. It's fan self loathing at best.
Give the manager appropriate criticism but also patience or FECK off and support the plastic teams (not directed at you Mark-us).
I love this notion of 'we're only a few games in, it'll be fine'. As if last season should just be written off and that starting this season with practically the same defence, displaying practically the same failings and playing practically the same kind of football is somehow going to result in some totally new and defensively brilliant outcome 'once it's had time to settle'.
It's nearly as outlandish as the idea that a 'true supporter' can't criticise, or that there's only two schools of though: Klopp In or Klopp Out.
What's funny is that the main issue fans are being critical of, is the same main issue the recruitment staff identified as a clear priority, given that defensive reinforcement was seemingly the first deal they began working on. They didn't fix it with incoming players, it must be fixed with a change in approach or our return to the Champions League may be short lived.
It's nearly as outlandish as the idea that a 'true supporter' can't criticise, or that there's only two schools of though: Klopp In or Klopp Out.
What's funny is that the main issue fans are being critical of, is the same main issue the recruitment staff identified as a clear priority, given that defensive reinforcement was seemingly the first deal they began working on. They didn't fix it with incoming players, it must be fixed with a change in approach or our return to the Champions League may be short lived.
I for one cannot believe this ridiculously titled thread is still up.... yes fans are being critical.... I hadn't noticed eh....
I will go full on optimistic, if it weren't for 2 very dodgy reffing decisions one against us away at Watford and one for City away at Bournemouth we'd be a massive 1 point behind City.
I think we should sack Klopp for fucks sake...the useless cunt...
I will go full on optimistic, if it weren't for 2 very dodgy reffing decisions one against us away at Watford and one for City away at Bournemouth we'd be a massive 1 point behind City.
I think we should sack Klopp for fucks sake...the useless cunt...
I'm not sure what the point is. Of course things can be changed with the current defense. It's called coaching. He improved the defrense last year. We can do it again.
Again, CRITICIZE if you must, but also show equal amounts of patience and awarness we're in a marathon not a sprint. We've come a long way.
If you're going to slag him off every time we have a hiccup feck off and support the plastics.
It's more a question of "We're only a few games in, so it's far too soon for forecasts of doom". Even those (many) of us who have stuck up for Klopp have accepted that not all is well. Where I think most of us differ from more critical posters is in our refusal to write the season off at this early stage. Klopp and the club clearly have a plan which involves bringing Keita and van Dijk here and, while that plan is behind schedule (which admittedly is partly our own fault), some of us don't see any sense in the kind of premature meltdown which has characterised too many posts on this subject.
The defence improved towards the end of last season, the style also changed. The almost season and a half before that and the season so far this year have followed the same trend with broadly the same style. But last season counts for nothing, that's the point. It's the same as this bollocks of "well we always beat the top six under Klopp, so the City result doesn't count" - that would be true if last year's results counted towards this years points total, but the only thing that counts for shit is the points on the board this year.
Marathon or sprint, we could well find ourselves out of the race. We have a poor defence that has been exposed multiple times already this year and we have a larger number of games to play vs last season when we squeaked fourth place by a solitary point. Man Utd finished below us last year and have strengthened better, our place in that top four this year is under threat. Go back to the beginning of last season and you'll find I was among the group who thought we could cover our defensive frailty with our goal-scoring, the season proved me wrong and this season continues to do so.
This 'hiccup' has been a long standing issue, one that has now carried us through two managers - exactly how much patience is required?
I don't think those of us who are being more critical are writing the season off, or Klopp for that matter. But the point remains, the cost of not strengthening in a key area could come at a big cost and present form suggests we are already paying it.
I hope we tighten up and I hope I am proven wrong.
I thinks it's only the fact the two Manchester clubs have got 5 wins and a draw each that makes it look like we haven't had a good start to the season.
3 wins 2 draws 1 defeat isn't a shabby start at all.
If you consider we have played Manchester City, Arsenal and Leicester in those 6 games it's actually a good points haul.
The frustration comes from the draws vs Sevilla, Watford and Burnley all of whom we should have beaten and they really are the same kind of games we couldn't win last season too.
I guess it's polarized every time we concede stupid goals to cost us points. Which is all three of those games.
But 11 points from 6 games isn't too shabby. A win tonight will give us 4 points with Maribor home and away next and give us a real chance of progression.
It could be better sure, but it could be much worse.
I don't want this season to be the one 'if only we bought a CB instead of OxCha'
It's early doors I suppose.
3 wins 2 draws 1 defeat isn't a shabby start at all.
If you consider we have played Manchester City, Arsenal and Leicester in those 6 games it's actually a good points haul.
The frustration comes from the draws vs Sevilla, Watford and Burnley all of whom we should have beaten and they really are the same kind of games we couldn't win last season too.
I guess it's polarized every time we concede stupid goals to cost us points. Which is all three of those games.
But 11 points from 6 games isn't too shabby. A win tonight will give us 4 points with Maribor home and away next and give us a real chance of progression.
It could be better sure, but it could be much worse.
I don't want this season to be the one 'if only we bought a CB instead of OxCha'
It's early doors I suppose.
This post is far too balanced for me to disagree with it.
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