That's not what I meant. You know what I meant. He takes offense to overt negativity, other people take offense to his over the top positivity and inability to show perspective. But you knew that already.
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That's not what I meant. You know what I meant. He takes offense to overt negativity, other people take offense to his over the top positivity and inability to show perspective. But you knew that already.
There are two brothers. One often hurls abuse at their mom and criticises any minor failures even though he knows that she's always trying her best.
The other always tries to see the best in her. Talks her up all the time, and gives her the benefit of the doubt in her endeavors even when she's trying to do something that she's shown to be poor at in the past.
They both have the right to their views, but only one of them can be justified in taking offence.
She's still our mom dude.
One sounds like a cunt. The other an enabler.
Either way they are doing their mom a disservice.
Either way they are doing their mom a disservice.
What would the perfect son do?
I'm not giving away any of my secrets.
Balancing out @Mamma Mia ’s two extremes to create the perfect hybrid, you always try to see the best in your mother while hurling abuse at her.
Sack Klopp.
Since Klopp’s appointment, Liverpool have conceded 91 goals in 73 Premier League games.
Tottenham (57), Manchester United (58), Chelsea (74) and Manchester City (75) can all boast considerably better records, while even Arsenal (81) and Southampton (83) have stingier defences.
Tottenham (57), Manchester United (58), Chelsea (74) and Manchester City (75) can all boast considerably better records, while even Arsenal (81) and Southampton (83) have stingier defences.
Christ that's upsetting.
That is horrific
Does beg the question why Klopp is playing such an open attacking style if half our team isn't good enough to provide a platform for it to work.
Because he knows hell concede even if we pack the defence and midfield because our players are liabilities
He just needs to work out that he can actually replace them if he wants.
We finished 3rd and Arsenal are in the Europa League though..
It's not exactly a rock solid stat and it certainly needs improvement but you can't tell much from it in isolation as goals scored and points tallied should be considered as well. Unless of course you believe Arsenal and Soton had better seasons than us as they conceded less, which I really doubt..
Because Champions League?
I mean he knew our weakness was/is defence and he also knew we're best at attacking, hence the style of play. Either which way you consider it, Klopp did more than enough really with the players at hand last season no matter how many goals we conceded. In other words, his attacking style worked. Unless of course you had higher hopes for us last season than top 4 but then that would've just been a bit silly.
The fact we didn't bolster our defence this Summer is where the real criticism should be aimed, and I have no idea whether that's down to Klopp, FSG or the board.. even if they believe Virgil is coming in come January there's no real excuse.
Yeah that's fair enough I guess. Get in the CL and then make key changes. I'm still not even sure that the defence was the priority either; I know that sounds odd, but our midfield just gets waltzed through, doesn't win second balls, rarely tackles and doesn't provide cover for the defence. I don't know whether Keita would have solved that issue.
Keira would have certainly helped.
Jurgen Klopp says Liverpool critics acting 'like we have nil points'
By Stephen Turner
Last Updated: 21/09/17 1:50pm
Jurgen Klopp believes Liverpool need to improve on their widely criticised set-piece defending, but says he would prefer good attacking play to perfect defending
Jurgen Klopp says over-the-top criticism of Liverpool is making them sound like "the worst side in the league".
Liverpool have gone four games without a win and this Saturday return to Leicester, where they were knocked out of the League Cup in midweek.
Klopp has been frank about the defensive difficulties his players are encountering, but speaking at his weekly press conference the Reds boss said those problems would be solved on the training ground - and not in the press room.
"I know already these problems, or 'not problems'," he said. "I made my decisions already how to work with it, and if I talk a lot about it it just creates headlines. They don't help us.
"For me it's important what we do, how we work. We talk about it, we work on it. This is the long part of a three-game week - Tuesday to Saturday, It gives us one more session, hopefully we can use it, but we have to prove it on Saturday."
Alan McInally says Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp must feel 'utterly deflated' after his side dominated Leicester but still lost 2-0
Klopp maintained he would rather manage an attacking side with defensive frailties rather than the other way round and bristled at suggestions the recent concession of 'soft goals' might be down to a lack of character, saying: "We've proved it already hundreds of times.
"It sounds like we have nil points and are completely the worst team in the league. That's a little bit how you talk.
"Yes, we obviously have problems and that's why we have 'only' eight points and not 15 - that's the situation, but you can make it more serious than it is or you can take it like it is.
"Yes, we have still work to do. If we had 15 points it would still be the same, it would only feel different. We have the right characters, sometimes we react really well and sometimes not perfectly, that's how it always is."
And there was a withering response some of the more scathing social media assessments of Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain's full debut were put to the German.
"That's the world of football," he said. "I'm not aware [of the criticism] but I can imagine.
"Ox had a few really good situations and a few unlucky situations. He did really well in moments when you could see him try to adapt to the style of play.
"He had a little problem with his calf - not an injury, but we all need to get used to it and manage it a little better. He didn't make the best game in his life, so people ask 'where's the impact?' but I'm not in doubt."
Klopp was without first-choice defenders Dejan Lovren and Joel Matip on Tuesday night, and neither has yet proved his fitness to return this weekend.
"Hopefully they'll be back in training today or tomorrow, but that's not true at the moment so I have to wait," he said.
By Stephen Turner
Last Updated: 21/09/17 1:50pm
Jurgen Klopp believes Liverpool need to improve on their widely criticised set-piece defending, but says he would prefer good attacking play to perfect defending
Jurgen Klopp says over-the-top criticism of Liverpool is making them sound like "the worst side in the league".
Liverpool have gone four games without a win and this Saturday return to Leicester, where they were knocked out of the League Cup in midweek.
Klopp has been frank about the defensive difficulties his players are encountering, but speaking at his weekly press conference the Reds boss said those problems would be solved on the training ground - and not in the press room.
"I know already these problems, or 'not problems'," he said. "I made my decisions already how to work with it, and if I talk a lot about it it just creates headlines. They don't help us.
"For me it's important what we do, how we work. We talk about it, we work on it. This is the long part of a three-game week - Tuesday to Saturday, It gives us one more session, hopefully we can use it, but we have to prove it on Saturday."
Alan McInally says Liverpool boss Jurgen Klopp must feel 'utterly deflated' after his side dominated Leicester but still lost 2-0
Klopp maintained he would rather manage an attacking side with defensive frailties rather than the other way round and bristled at suggestions the recent concession of 'soft goals' might be down to a lack of character, saying: "We've proved it already hundreds of times.
"It sounds like we have nil points and are completely the worst team in the league. That's a little bit how you talk.
"Yes, we obviously have problems and that's why we have 'only' eight points and not 15 - that's the situation, but you can make it more serious than it is or you can take it like it is.
"Yes, we have still work to do. If we had 15 points it would still be the same, it would only feel different. We have the right characters, sometimes we react really well and sometimes not perfectly, that's how it always is."
And there was a withering response some of the more scathing social media assessments of Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain's full debut were put to the German.
"That's the world of football," he said. "I'm not aware [of the criticism] but I can imagine.
"Ox had a few really good situations and a few unlucky situations. He did really well in moments when you could see him try to adapt to the style of play.
"He had a little problem with his calf - not an injury, but we all need to get used to it and manage it a little better. He didn't make the best game in his life, so people ask 'where's the impact?' but I'm not in doubt."
Klopp was without first-choice defenders Dejan Lovren and Joel Matip on Tuesday night, and neither has yet proved his fitness to return this weekend.
"Hopefully they'll be back in training today or tomorrow, but that's not true at the moment so I have to wait," he said.
I think Jurgen needs to realize he has raised expectations after improving a shite team in no time, to CL status.
I think the fans need to realize he's worked miracles, and go easy with these "great expectations".
At this point in previous years, this is is where we were at
2013: 10 points (No Europe)
2014: 6 points (Horrific in the CL)
2015: 7 points (in Europa league drew with Bordeaux)
2016: 11 points (Not in Europe)
2017: 8 points (Back In UCL)
I think the fans need to realize he's worked miracles, and go easy with these "great expectations".
At this point in previous years, this is is where we were at
2013: 10 points (No Europe)
2014: 6 points (Horrific in the CL)
2015: 7 points (in Europa league drew with Bordeaux)
2016: 11 points (Not in Europe)
2017: 8 points (Back In UCL)
The obvious answer is get Lucas back - he protected the defence
BTW - I'm not sure that I'm totally joking!
When Keita joins us (hopefully in Jan 18) he will sort it - he looks like Superman, and he can probably play in goal, central defence and left back as well (all at the same time!!!)
If Klopp goes through next Jan and next summer buying more wingers and not buying a top keeper, CB and DM he can fuck off as far as I'm concerned. It's not like he inherited the George Graham era Arsenal defence. Its was shit and it's still shit two years since he arrived.
As apathetic as I am towards Liverpool, and football in general, at the moment, Klopp is one of the few saving graces for me.
However, I cannot forgive him (and the board) for that bumbling clusterfuck of a transfer window we had to endure. He's a good manager - the best we could possibly get - and he's not a twat like 90% of the people involved in the sport at the moment. Things would have to go drastically wrong for me to want rid, but his blind spot with the defence/Van Dijk/Sakho is his first black mark for me.
We're basically performing as I expected given how we recruited.
However, I cannot forgive him (and the board) for that bumbling clusterfuck of a transfer window we had to endure. He's a good manager - the best we could possibly get - and he's not a twat like 90% of the people involved in the sport at the moment. Things would have to go drastically wrong for me to want rid, but his blind spot with the defence/Van Dijk/Sakho is his first black mark for me.
We're basically performing as I expected given how we recruited.
Interesting. Sadly if we continue to concede like we are we will make no progress in either the league or the CL. And I'm not sure where the ideas, coaching, tactics and determination to make this defence stingier are going to come from.
Stop posting exactly my thought young Padawan. Agree 100% again. Spooky.
If he genuinely has a 'blind spot' then he's not a good manager.
The negligence in either rehabilitating Sakho until at least Jan, or buying a another decent CB added to paying what he paid for OC (who is utter garbage) were both black marks for me.
True, I suppose. Especially one as crucial as the defence. However, all managers seem to have some sort of blind spot. Let's just hope Klopp had his hands tied or something during the summer. I'm not even sure what I'm on about here, but I still have faith in him to sort it out.
Yeah, I think I said in another thread somewhere that we should've at least kept Sakho until Jan.
With Oxlade-Chamberlain, I'm still firmly in the wait and see camp. I hadn't seen enough of him at Arsenal to form an in depth opinion other than he has 'some' talent at least. Plus, I'd trust Klopp to help him realise that talent and potential ahead of Wenger. But yeah, at the moment, in the brief cameos we've seen, he hasn't looked up to it.
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