Sack Klopp
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Exactly. I've a lot of respect for what he's done at Burnley but it makes me laugh when pundits moan about British managers like him not getting a chance at bigger clubs. The reason they don't is that they'd have to play a more expansive game, and, if they did, they'd soon find themselves frustrated by the likes of Burnley. If you're primarily a defensive team, fine, but if you're not, it's no good sub-contracting defensive coaching. It's a certain systemic issue.
Poor the manwithnobrain. Wrong about everything. Always.
Fair point and I'm not suggesting you're wrong but those Managers also work within a budget and have to cut their cloth accordingly. It's not like they have a starting 11 full of pace and flair
Yeah, I'm not sure I want to get into a Sam Allardycii conversation about British managers getting the big jobs in football, but the idea that a team like Burnley or whoever can even attempt to compete with far more wealthy and talented sides trying to play them at their own game with expansive, free-flowing football is risible and stupid.
They have to find ways of getting a result with what they have, even if - like Pulis, Hodgson, Allardyce, Dyche and whoever - quite often serve up dour, awful football
I think there's an issue with style of play and being a defensive manager, and an expectation of playing a certain way.
Poch at Spurs. Is he defensive? He certainly seems to have very quickly built a very good side that don't concede many
Mourinho is another who ensures his teams are hard to beat, but he's had two Chelsea title winning teams and one at Madrid that also scored a shitload of goals and played some great football
Our most successful modern manager, Benitez, was another who knew that winning trophies requires a miserly and organised defence
You can't win trophies or league titles when you have a defence that concedes over 5o goals a season and until Klopp learns that lesson, we've got no chance
Mainwithnoideahesbeenonignoreforages.
I don't give a fuck who has who on ignore.
And I don't have any filter about which post I respond to, or who wrote them. I look at the content not the poster, and if it's interesting or I wish to make a point, I reply
It makes for a more diverting and lively Forum
Ah come on now you totally look at who posted it, you use your history (amusingly) with most posters to great effect
Shut your hole, Dreamy
Ha ha
Spot on. One thing those manager all had/have in common is that they built from the back first. Made themselves hard to beat and then focussed on attack. We don't even have a spine to our team yet.
The hardest thing to do in football is create chances and score goals. Good attackers cost a LOT of money.
The easiest thing to do in football is sit back and defend. Good defenders don't cost that much money.
Conceding from set pieces is part organisation and part desire (of individual players). Personally, I think we have the organisation (everyone knows their role); we just don't have the desire from the players to win a 1v1 aerial duel, primarily because most of our players are either short or they are pussies (or both). Not having a commanding GK doesn't help too.
Klopp has shown whilst he's here, he can coach a team to attack, create chances and score goals; the hard bit. He's yet to show he can coach a team to defend and see out games (Rafa was good at this bit). The players still show great immaturity and naivety when we are winning games. It's like we have to play at full throttle or we'll look disorganised defending. The players don't seem to know how manage games and take their foot off the pedal.
I really think, with some time, Jurgen will get us organised. I think he will have no choice but to buy defenders and a defensive midfielder come January/Summer. This season will be a wake up call for him. I don't think he's a stupid man incapable of learning and seeing the obvious. I just think he's tried to show (too much) faith with the players who got us to the CL.
The easiest thing to do in football is sit back and defend. Good defenders don't cost that much money.
Conceding from set pieces is part organisation and part desire (of individual players). Personally, I think we have the organisation (everyone knows their role); we just don't have the desire from the players to win a 1v1 aerial duel, primarily because most of our players are either short or they are pussies (or both). Not having a commanding GK doesn't help too.
Klopp has shown whilst he's here, he can coach a team to attack, create chances and score goals; the hard bit. He's yet to show he can coach a team to defend and see out games (Rafa was good at this bit). The players still show great immaturity and naivety when we are winning games. It's like we have to play at full throttle or we'll look disorganised defending. The players don't seem to know how manage games and take their foot off the pedal.
I really think, with some time, Jurgen will get us organised. I think he will have no choice but to buy defenders and a defensive midfielder come January/Summer. This season will be a wake up call for him. I don't think he's a stupid man incapable of learning and seeing the obvious. I just think he's tried to show (too much) faith with the players who got us to the CL.
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yes, there was a lot of "he's shite", "He should go". Which is why I said, in a previous post, I know it was titled as a joke....but some of the comments are brutal.
Take it easy Brendan, the title was meant as a joke, but the comments thereafter talked about him going etc. It seems you are not aware of this *other* duality.
mate,
- He's far better than Keegan, although the defense is more of an issue than before
- We didn't have a chance at Ancelotti (zzz)
- Man Child? Says the 52 year old to the 46 year old, who both get upset every weekend when not enough balls go in the wrong net? That applies to us all!
- We're lucky to have the man, current results withstanding. I'll be holding my powder for a while yet.
I wasn't responding to you.
I know, but the point stands.
Sometime last season. It's all a blur at this point.
I mean atm as in if we sack Klopp tomorrow. We have no DM in the squad.
looks like March of last year we started to conceed less looking art results. Any anoraks got a better memory than me?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016–17_Liverpool_F.C._season#Matches
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016–17_Liverpool_F.C._season#Matches
Last year, we conceeded
- 9 goals more than the winners, Chelsea
- 16 goals more than Spurs
- 1 more than Man City
- 13 more than Man United (Miserly Mouriniho -but they only scored 54)
So on average, we conceeded about 10 goals too many over our rivals. It's salvageable.
Incidentally, the top 7 is the same on points as it is for goals scored. But not goals against.
If it was based on having the best defense it would be
- 9 goals more than the winners, Chelsea
- 16 goals more than Spurs
- 1 more than Man City
- 13 more than Man United (Miserly Mouriniho -but they only scored 54)
So on average, we conceeded about 10 goals too many over our rivals. It's salvageable.
Incidentally, the top 7 is the same on points as it is for goals scored. But not goals against.
If it was based on having the best defense it would be
- Spurs
- United
- Chelsea
- City
- Liverpool
- Everton
- Arsenal
Salvageable? Yeah, only if we'd obviously strengthened the defence and midfield, or actually improved in our defending.
As it stands there's no cause for optimism, because so far only two clubs in the Premier league have conceded more goals than us, and in all competitions we've already conceded a scarcely believable 16 goals.
For sure, with improvement it's savageable. Not as it stands.
As for the 16, in reality, I'd knock 3 of those off to get a more realistic picture as the city result skewed things. Let's see how it rolls out in the coming weeks before hitting the panic button in full. But yeah, defense needs improving, and I'm sure he will. Eventually.
That would make the rest of us feel old.
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