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What a difference a couple of months make. From the hysterics in November and posts like "I'd rather be Newcastle", to perfect form over the last several weeks.

Does he still deserve the boot? We're not there yet, but we're showing signs of getting back amongst the thick of it.
 
Patience is a problem in today's game. There are little excuses for not having a striker similar to Studge (perhaps not level, but style of play) to deal with the expected absences throughout this season. However, Rodgers has taken the punch in his gut, adjusted his formation and the team has really played at a very good level the last 2 months.

We're still in contention for 3rd-4th place, have two cups to play for, and most of our signings are starting to become regular contributors - if not in the stat sheet, in the 'performed at a good level' sheet.

Our defense with Can-Skittles-Sakho is solid, the goalkeeper seems to have done a 180 with the benching (though we should still look to strengthen here), Lucas has been a fantastic cog in the middle of the pitch ...

Markovic and Moreno are playing at a very good level on the WB position, our AMs are all contributing - if not with goals, then with pressure and movement and Sterling has really contributed at a good clip (if only he was a good finisher!) as a striker.

With a refreshed Studge, and a hungry confident Ibe, I think this team could make a push to send Stevie off as he should do - with 2 winners' medals and 3rd place.

WALK ON lads, WALK ON.
 
mark1975 said:
What a difference a couple of months make. From the hysterics in November and posts like "I'd rather be Newcastle", to perfect form over the last several weeks.

Does he still deserve the boot? We're not there yet, but we're showing signs of getting back amongst the thick of it.
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You can still find the hysteria in match threads, especially before we get a goal. Then some cunt who was slagging off the scorer moments before will come in claiming credit for reverse jinxing it or some such horseshit.
 
These are sad times for all of us on SCM. Winning games means shorter match threads, people mostly found a consensus on Lucas (he is pretty good – duh!), Mignolet stopped being a liability and a lightning rod, Gerrard is used sparingly in AM, like most people wanted, Balotelli and Johnson don't play. Even Allen doesn't play any more; where the fuck are we supposed to find the scapegoats? Are we going to start scapegoating Moreno just because there is simply no one else left to bash? I mean, you can't criticize Can even when he fucks up repeatedly, because he is such a sexy Turk, right? Hendo has been playing generally well. Skrtel? Meh.

To save SCM from the deathly grip of boredom, there is only one sure way. You know what I mean. Modo, all is forgiven. Please come back! Oh, and let's try to bring back KHL too while we are at it. We need to inject some Scandinavian passion back into this place before it's too late.
 
season hasn't finished yet, we haven't won anything, spent approx. 100m, and still not in top 4. Let's s and hold off judgement on all fronts take each game as it comes.
 
rurikbird said:
To save SCM from the deathly grip of boredom, there is only one sure way. You know what I mean. Modo, all is forgiven. Please come back! Oh, and let's try to bring back KHL too while we are at it. We need to inject some Scandinavian passion back into this place before it's too late.
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I've tried with KHL numerous times via FB. He's just not interested. I even offered to share with him my pictures of Agger in ... uuuh ... yah, to return to the site, and he refused.
 
You can go back to that thread, I was never one to think he should go. I have been willing to give him more time. Mostly because he is learning on the job and his charisma could give him something special with the players that few other managers have.

But, I think I may be less confident about him now then I was then. He's made countless baffling decisions and he failed to be pragmatic and successful in our biggest games since that run of awful form.
We're lucky that this unusual formation has gotten the better of a few players that were starting to look like duds. Especially because it has allowed us to play our only true success from the Summer, Can. I'm glad he used it and I'm glad he seems to have recognized how good it can be and is going to stick with it. But for example, yesterday - he left the two players struggling the most on the whole game. Same thing with Gerrard against Chelsea.
 
I think a lot of people are underestimating just how hard getting 4th is, let alone 3rd. There are 4 teams above us, and we've got to overhaul three of them. All bar Spurs are at least 5 points ahead of us, taking goal difference into account. They all look to be in solid form. We've got a really really tough run over the next 10 games. We're going to have to be exceptional to make the ground up.

The great likelihood is that we'll drop out of the CL next season and risk losing years on our rivals, and Rodgers will be at least partly to blame.

I'm not saying he should go in those circumstances, but he's going to have to show he's learned some serious lessons.
 
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I think a lot of people are underestimating just how hard getting 4th is, let alone 3rd. There are 4 teams above us, and we've got to overhaul three of them. All bar Spurs are at least 5 points ahead of us, taking goal difference into account. They all look to be in solid form. We've got a really really tough run over the next 10 games. We're going to have to be exceptional to make the ground up.

The great likelihood is that we'll drop out of the CL next season and risk losing years on our rivals, and Rodgers will be at least partly to blame.

I'm not saying he should go in those circumstances, but he's going to have to show he's learned some serious lessons.
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I agree with this - I'd add that some of the lessons to be learnt are off the pitch and nit confined to just Rodgers.
 
The young core of players is so good right now, and they seem to respond to him so much that he will get more time from me then his decision making alone would have. He has an aura about him. He does seem to be making players better which I guess is better than anything tactical.

I guess what I am trying to say is, I am completely undecided on Rodgers so far. I see a lot of good. I wouldn't swap him for any available manager I know of besides maybe Klopp/deBoer/Simeone. But if the owners found someone else they wanted to try, I'd understand.
 
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You can go back to that thread, I was never one to think he should go. I have been willing to give him more time. Mostly because he is learning on the job and his charisma could give him something special with the players that few other managers have.

But, I think I may be less confident about him now then I was then. He's made countless baffling decisions and he failed to be pragmatic and successful in our biggest games since that run of awful form.
We're lucky that this unusual formation has gotten the better of a few players that were starting to look like duds. Especially because it has allowed us to play our only true success from the Summer, Can. I'm glad he used it and I'm glad he seems to have recognized how good it can be and is going to stick with it. But for example, yesterday - he left the two players struggling the most on the whole game. Same thing with Gerrard against Chelsea.
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I agree he did make some baffling decisions, he's made some baffling decisions that have paid off though too, like playing Markovic deeper, playing Can at centre half, etc.

I don't agree he hasn't been pragmatic, it might have taken him an age for it to sink in, but he did eventually adjust and compromise on his thinking, by changing formation to protect the defensive side of our game more. That's the clear distinction for me, between Rodgers and his predecessors, because I think they became guilty of allowing ego to rule their thinking. He's shown he can be versatile and fairly innovative at times with his approach. If he can continue to do that and to learn from his mistakes, then he'll go a long way. Ultimately if we split his time here into half seasons, then we can say we've pretty much enjoyed good form under him at a rate of about 3/5ths of the time here. If our recent good form continues, then that's pretty much 70 odd percent of his time here we've been one of the form teams.

Like I said earlier in the season, you can't judge managers at this level on 4 month spells, it's probably the most competitive league in Europe.

He fucked up and we were unlucky too, but managers will make mistakes. Are we really in a situation where every poor spell culminates in doubt and people being ready to wield the axe?

I know I'm being a massive sentimentalist, but....YNWA (except for when we're not playing well).
 
peterhague said:
I think a lot of people are underestimating just how hard getting 4th is, let alone 3rd. There are 4 teams above us, and we've got to overhaul three of them. All bar Spurs are at least 5 points ahead of us, taking goal difference into account. They all look to be in solid form. We've got a really really tough run over the next 10 games. We're going to have to be exceptional to make the ground up.

The great likelihood is that we'll drop out of the CL next season and risk losing years on our rivals, and Rodgers will be at least partly to blame.

I'm not saying he should go in those circumstances, but he's going to have to show he's learned some serious lessons.
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We're 5 points behind Manure (3rd), 4 points behind Soton & Arsenal (4th/5th) and 2 points behind Spurs (6th).
 
LeTallecWiz said:
We're 5 points behind Manure (3rd), 4 points behind Soton & Arsenal (4th/5th) and 2 points behind Spurs (6th).
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I really hate this notion that we have been "set back X amount of years". Has last season taught it nothing? People said it when Kenny went, "it'll be years before were back amongst the elite". Really?
 
Momentum is the great difference mark - we saw that last year .

You get momentum and then confidence anything is possible

To add to your point - didn't we all think Southampton would be relegated?

Nothing is set in stone.
 
localny said:
Momentum is the great difference mark - we saw that last year .

You get momentum and then confidence anything is possible

To add to your point - didn't we all think Southampton would be relegated?

Nothing is set in stone.
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Exactly. Everyone assumed Southampton were finished - uncertainty with the board, sold all their best players, they were favourites for relegation. Just goes to show.
 
mark1975 said:
I really hate this notion that we have been "set back X amount of years". Has last season taught it nothing? People said it when Kenny went, "it'll be years before were back amongst the elite". Really?
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Dalglish did set us back years. If we allow a new CL elite to establish themselves over the next few years, on top of the financial advantage they already enjoy, we basically become another Spurs or Everton. It's a really serious threat to us getting back to being a major European club.
 
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