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Ryan Babel - has he turned the corner?

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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39531.msg1077996#msg1077996 date=1269862092]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39531.msg1077994#msg1077994 date=1269861956]
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39531.msg1077988#msg1077988 date=1269861576]
Spide, is this all really necessary?

We all know you love Ryan Babel. Christ, I quite like him myself, but this isn't helping anyone.
[/quote]

this has moved beyond babel dammit!! people must recognise what an assist is!!
only messing, I'll stop now 🙂
[/quote]

I once had an argument with a flatmate about what constituted a volley that lasted hours.

He - amazingly - seemed to think that any ball hit while in the air (no matter how many times it had bounced) could be called a "volley"

Have you EVER heard anything that mad? A true volley is a thing of beauty and skill largely because it involves hitting a moving ball that has yet to touch the ground (because once it HAS bounced, it naturally allows you to better gauge its speed and trajectory)

What he was describing was simply striking a ball which wasn't on the ground
[/quote]

a half volley is when the ball bounces before you strike it right?
[/quote]

Yes. A true half-volley is when you hit it *just* after it bounces. I don't recognise half-volleys if, say, the ball bounces really high and it is struck while dropping down.

I'm a purist.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39531.msg1077961#msg1077961 date=1269859032]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39531.msg1077876#msg1077876 date=1269848099]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39531.msg1077855#msg1077855 date=1269844505]
Oncey sick of accepting average dross at our club

Hahahaha, you get it wrong about Liverpool players more often than anyone
[/quote]Youre opinion about ANYTHING to do with Liverpool is of no interest to me these days. Away and wish injury on a youth teamer or something, it's the ONE thing you're still half decent at. Repetetive, boring and predictable like, but halfway decent.
[/quote]

One only has to read some of your toe-curling diatribes about Alonso or Kuyt to know that you have an unearthly habit of castigating good players, flip-flopping when - SHOCK! - good player plays well, but at the same time bizarrely championing utter fucking shit like Tennants and Insua.

And who could forget your delight in replacing Alonso (all he does is pass) with Aquilani (all he does is be injured), and loud proclamations that you were delighted with our summer transfer business, only to shout just as loudly last week that it had been a fucking disaster.

The ONLY thing predictable about you is that you'll write something incredibly, embarassingly wrong, and then six months later say almost the opposite.

Which is about the best news Ryan Babel could have right now.
[/quote]Well done. You pick a player who was shite for two years, another who the entire forum thinks is shite and wants dropping for 6 months of every season, a 17 year old kid and a player who barely played a game for us when I was asking for his inclusion.
That said yeah, I am wrong loads. Same as everyone else who has an opinion about football.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39531.msg1077998#msg1077998 date=1269862301]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39531.msg1077996#msg1077996 date=1269862092]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39531.msg1077994#msg1077994 date=1269861956]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39531.msg1077989#msg1077989 date=1269861662]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39531.msg1077988#msg1077988 date=1269861576]
Spide, is this all really necessary?

We all know you love Ryan Babel. Christ, I quite like him myself, but this isn't helping anyone.
[/quote]

this has moved beyond babel dammit!! people must recognise what an assist is!!
only messing, I'll stop now 🙂
[/quote]

I once had an argument with a flatmate about what constituted a volley that lasted hours.

He - amazingly - seemed to think that any ball hit while in the air (no matter how many times it had bounced) could be called a "volley"

Have you EVER heard anything that mad? A true volley is a thing of beauty and skill largely because it involves hitting a moving ball that has yet to touch the ground (because once it HAS bounced, it naturally allows you to better gauge its speed and trajectory)

What he was describing was simply striking a ball which wasn't on the ground
[/quote]

a half volley is when the ball bounces before you strike it right?
[/quote]

Yes. A true half-volley is when you hit it *just* after it bounces. I don't recognise half-volleys if, say, the ball bounces really high and it is struck while dropping down.

I'm a purist.
[/quote]

I defiantely agree with you about the ball not touching the ground before hit the net for it to be classed as a volley. the best volley I ever saw was the van basten volley. fucking hell.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39531.msg1077986#msg1077986 date=1269861316]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39531.msg1077972#msg1077972 date=1269860215]
It wasn't an assist

"In case that the goalscorer had laid on the goal for himself (dribble, solo run), no assists were awarded ."
[/quote]

http://fantasy.premierleague.com/M/rules.mc

Assists
These are awarded to the player from the goal scoring team who makes the last pass before a goal is scored.

If during this pass, an opposing player significantly alters the speed or direction of the ball, then no assist is given except if this intervention directly results in an own goal.

If a goalkeeper does not have control of the ball and parries a shot or drops a cross or the ball rebounds off the woodwork, the attacking player shooting or crossing the ball receives the assist if a goal directly ensues.

In the event of a penalty, the player earning the penalty gets an assist if it is successfully scored, but not if he takes it himself in which case no assist is given. No assist is given for a player who earns a free kick that subsequently results in a goal.

All assists are reviewed within 24 hours of the game finishing.

[/quote]Thats cleared that up then. I was wondering where you find out the rules for things like this and now I know, it's the fantasy premier league game.
 
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[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39531.msg1077998#msg1077998 date=1269862301]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39531.msg1077996#msg1077996 date=1269862092]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39531.msg1077994#msg1077994 date=1269861956]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39531.msg1077989#msg1077989 date=1269861662]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39531.msg1077988#msg1077988 date=1269861576]
Spide, is this all really necessary?

We all know you love Ryan Babel. Christ, I quite like him myself, but this isn't helping anyone.
[/quote]

this has moved beyond babel dammit!! people must recognise what an assist is!!
only messing, I'll stop now 🙂
[/quote]

I once had an argument with a flatmate about what constituted a volley that lasted hours.

He - amazingly - seemed to think that any ball hit while in the air (no matter how many times it had bounced) could be called a "volley"

Have you EVER heard anything that mad? A true volley is a thing of beauty and skill largely because it involves hitting a moving ball that has yet to touch the ground (because once it HAS bounced, it naturally allows you to better gauge its speed and trajectory)

What he was describing was simply striking a ball which wasn't on the ground
[/quote]

a half volley is when the ball bounces before you strike it right?
[/quote]

Yes. A true half-volley is when you hit it *just* after it bounces. I don't recognise half-volleys if, say, the ball bounces really high and it is struck while dropping down.

I'm a purist.
[/quote]

I defiantely agree with you about the ball not touching the ground before hit the net for it to be classed as a volley. the best volley I ever saw was the van basten volley. fucking hell.
[/quote]Have you seen Manuel Negrete from Mexico 86? By miles my favourite.
 
I defiantely agree with you about the ball not touching the ground before hit the net for it to be classed as a volley. the best volley I ever saw was the van basten volley. fucking hell.
Click to expand...

I had a similarly long argument with the same person about whether or not Sophie Anderton had one "severely withered hand" that she always hid from cameras.

I was pretty sure that she didn't, but even when presented with excellent photos of both left and right hand, he would claim the negative had been "reversed" so as to make it look like her other hand. I finally tracked down a photo showing both of her hands in the same shot, but apparently that one "was clearly doctored".

What fun we had.

er, what were we talking about?
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39531.msg1078009#msg1078009 date=1269862876]
I defiantely agree with you about the ball not touching the ground before hit the net for it to be classed as a volley. the best volley I ever saw was the van basten volley. fucking hell.
Click to expand...

I had a similarly long argument with the same person about whether or not Sophie Anderton had one "severely withered hand" that she always hid from cameras.

I was pretty sure that she didn't, but even when presented with excellent photos of both left and right hand, he would claim the negative had been "reversed" so as to make it look like her other hand. I finally tracked down a photo showing both of her hands in the same shot, but apparently that one "was clearly doctored".

What fun we had.

er, what were we talking about?
[/quote]To be fair. He sounds fucking deadly!!
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39531.msg1078006#msg1078006 date=1269862709]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39531.msg1077986#msg1077986 date=1269861316]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39531.msg1077972#msg1077972 date=1269860215]
It wasn't an assist

"In case that the goalscorer had laid on the goal for himself (dribble, solo run), no assists were awarded ."
[/quote]

http://fantasy.premierleague.com/M/rules.mc

Assists
These are awarded to the player from the goal scoring team who makes the last pass before a goal is scored.

If during this pass, an opposing player significantly alters the speed or direction of the ball, then no assist is given except if this intervention directly results in an own goal.

If a goalkeeper does not have control of the ball and parries a shot or drops a cross or the ball rebounds off the woodwork, the attacking player shooting or crossing the ball receives the assist if a goal directly ensues.

In the event of a penalty, the player earning the penalty gets an assist if it is successfully scored, but not if he takes it himself in which case no assist is given. No assist is given for a player who earns a free kick that subsequently results in a goal.

All assists are reviewed within 24 hours of the game finishing.

[/quote]Thats cleared that up then. I was wondering where you find out the rules for things like this and now I know, it's the fantasy premier league game.
[/quote]

Yes sod FIFAs Technical Study Group criteria.
 
I like Babel and was probably one of very few 'friends' he had left on here a while back when even Spidey turned against him. Probably rightly so as he was very poor at the time.

He's obviously not there yet but he's got something to his game that's different from anyone else in the side hence he's making us a far more potent team than say when we're fielding the likes of Yossi, Kuyt and Maxi together. And he's improving by the game.

It looks like he's decided to actually give a fuck and untill a new rap-song is launched on Youtube I'll back him to become an important Liverpool-player one day.

He's got the raw talent and potential. Albeit too often it's been well hidden.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=39531.msg1078008#msg1078008 date=1269862817]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39531.msg1078005#msg1078005 date=1269862601]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39531.msg1077998#msg1077998 date=1269862301]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39531.msg1077996#msg1077996 date=1269862092]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39531.msg1077994#msg1077994 date=1269861956]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39531.msg1077989#msg1077989 date=1269861662]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=39531.msg1077988#msg1077988 date=1269861576]
Spide, is this all really necessary?

We all know you love Ryan Babel. Christ, I quite like him myself, but this isn't helping anyone.
[/quote]

this has moved beyond babel dammit!! people must recognise what an assist is!!
only messing, I'll stop now 🙂
[/quote]

I once had an argument with a flatmate about what constituted a volley that lasted hours.

He - amazingly - seemed to think that any ball hit while in the air (no matter how many times it had bounced) could be called a "volley"

Have you EVER heard anything that mad? A true volley is a thing of beauty and skill largely because it involves hitting a moving ball that has yet to touch the ground (because once it HAS bounced, it naturally allows you to better gauge its speed and trajectory)

What he was describing was simply striking a ball which wasn't on the ground
[/quote]

a half volley is when the ball bounces before you strike it right?
[/quote]

Yes. A true half-volley is when you hit it *just* after it bounces. I don't recognise half-volleys if, say, the ball bounces really high and it is struck while dropping down.

I'm a purist.
[/quote]

I defiantely agree with you about the ball not touching the ground before hit the net for it to be classed as a volley. the best volley I ever saw was the van basten volley. fucking hell.
[/quote]Have you seen Manuel Negrete from Mexico 86? By miles my favourite.
[/quote]

just seen it, definately not better than the van basten goal 🙂
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39531.msg1078029#msg1078029 date=1269864983]
[quote author=Sunny link=topic=39531.msg1078017#msg1078017 date=1269863605]
ANYWAY. We're all wrong. Because Reina has been given the assist.

http://fantasy.premierleague.com/fixture/185.html

So, it would have counted as an assist but officially it hasn't.


[/quote]

who the heck collects their data? ray charles?[/quote]

He'd have to have gifts of Messiah like proportions if he did 😉
 
Just watched the Torres goal again. It looks like Babel is about a yard short of heading that ball, although the quality is very grainy...
 
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=39531.msg1078105#msg1078105 date=1269875573]
Just watched the Torres goal again. It looks like Babel is about a yard short of heading that ball, although the quality is very grainy...
[/quote]Quick!!!! Sign Joe Cole!
 
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=39531.msg1078105#msg1078105 date=1269875573]
Just watched the Torres goal again. It looks like Babel is about a yard short of heading that ball, although the quality is very grainy...
[/quote]

having watched it again its nowhere near as clear cut as I thought, the first time I saw it looked like he nods it on, on viewing it again it isn't clear either way.
 
I've been a Babel supporter since he joined. Haven't been as vocal as "spider" but I've always believed he had potential.
His form of late has been a revelation. I'm delighted that he's finally showing Rafa what he can do.
But why now?

Was it his heart to heart with Benitez? Or is it due to world cup fever?
I mean is he trying to work his way into the starting line up for Holland?

Hopefully he'll keep it up, but I have a feeling that he'll be back on the bench for the Benfica game. Lucas will probably start.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=39531.msg1077960#msg1077960 date=1269859004]
Oncey aside, has anyone been that disparaging in this thread?

You're arguing even with the other Babel fans.
[/quote]Im just fucking around Ken. I really like Babel.
 
[quote author=KHL link=topic=39531.msg1078021#msg1078021 date=1269864072]
I like Babel and was probably one of very few 'friends' he had left on here a while back when even Spidey turned against him. Probably rightly so as he was very poor at the time.

He's obviously not there yet but he's got something to his game that's different from anyone else in the side hence he's making us a far more potent team than say when we're fielding the likes of Yossi, Kuyt and Maxi together. And he's improving by the game.

It looks like he's decided to actually give a fuck and untill a new rap-song is launched on Youtube I'll back him to become an important Liverpool-player one day.

He's got the raw talent and potential. Albeit too often it's been well hidden.
[/quote]

how long can we keep saying that, it's been a mantra for a while now...
 
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[quote author=KHL link=topic=39531.msg1078021#msg1078021 date=1269864072]
I like Babel and was probably one of very few 'friends' he had left on here a while back when even Spidey turned against him. Probably rightly so as he was very poor at the time.

He's obviously not there yet but he's got something to his game that's different from anyone else in the side hence he's making us a far more potent team than say when we're fielding the likes of Yossi, Kuyt and Maxi together. And he's improving by the game.

It looks like he's decided to actually give a fuck and untill a new rap-song is launched on Youtube I'll back him to become an important Liverpool-player one day.

He's got the raw talent and potential. Albeit too often it's been well hidden.
[/quote]

how long can we keep saying that, it's been a mantra for a while now...
[/quote]

Agreed.

We've seen no progression in him since his arrival. Not one bit - his current level of performance no is exactly the same as when he arrived.

There's just not much potential in him, I'm afraid. He can and will improve over time, but not to a level many hope for.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39531.msg1077889#msg1077889 date=1269850721]
watched the highlights again, babel was the one who flicked the ball onto torres when torres scored his wonder goal so that makes 2 goals and 2 assists in his last 4 starts.
[/quote]

At the risk of advocating Ross here; How the fuck does anyone get credit for *assisting* Torres for that first goal?

Dream the fuck on Spide.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=39531.msg1078113#msg1078113 date=1269876640]
[quote author=Gerry_A_Trick link=topic=39531.msg1078105#msg1078105 date=1269875573]
Just watched the Torres goal again. It looks like Babel is about a yard short of heading that ball, although the quality is very grainy...
[/quote]

having watched it again its nowhere near as clear cut as I thought, the first time I saw it looked like he nods it on, on viewing it again it isn't clear either way.
[/quote]It is clear. I've just watched it in slow motion on sky HD. He isn't even close to flicking it on, and even if he did, which he didn't, it still wouldn't be an assist. But like I said, he didn't so it doesn't matter.
 
One thing:

Had Rafa's first-choice in Riera not been an utter disaster in his last few games before sinking shipgate, then Babel would still be twittering away about his lack of opportunities.

He's got lucky. Taking the chance well of course, but long-term - I'd be stunned if Rafa felt he could rely on him.
 
[quote author=SaintGeorge67 link=topic=39531.msg1080368#msg1080368 date=1270152988]
Riera should never play for us again.
[/quote]

Neither should Babel.
 
What a MASSIVE MASSIVE MASSIVE CUNT. I hope he never plays for us again. once again he has let us all and his team-mates down.
Bell fucking end.
 
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