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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34105.msg886213#msg886213 date=1244713534]
Ferguson is a great manager and USUALLY finds great solutions to these problems, and i have no doubt at all that if we finish ahead of them we'll win the league.
What i am sure of is this being a huge blow.
Tevez and Ronaldo where the basis of their end of season run, and them leaving is a huge huge blow. He'll buy a couple of top class replacements, and probably now has the finances to cover rb and keeper too. Buuuut i bet there isnt another player in the world whos won the games Ronaldo has in the last two years.
Look at it this way, were losing Kuyt, alonso, reina and arbeloa, then someone offers us 80m for torres, are we starting next year in a position of strength or not?
Its going to be hard for them. Im not predicting their demise at all, but i wont accept they can come out of this stronger.
[/quote]

In the long run I doubt it will damage them. They have always had important players and always replaced them in one way or another.

In the short term this is a blow for them. As it always has been when they have lost important players
 
I wouldn't want to speculate on whether they'll end up stronger or weaker - it's impossible to do at this stage.

This is a huge development though.

What happens next could well decide next season.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34105.msg886215#msg886215 date=1244713689]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34105.msg886213#msg886213 date=1244713534]
Ferguson is a great manager and USUALLY finds great solutions to these problems, and i have no doubt at all that if we finish ahead of them we'll win the league.
What i am sure of is this being a huge blow.
Tevez and Ronaldo where the basis of their end of season run, and them leaving is a huge huge blow. He'll buy a couple of top class replacements, and probably now has the finances to cover rb and keeper too. Buuuut i bet there isnt another player in the world whos won the games Ronaldo has in the last two years.
Look at it this way, were losing Kuyt, alonso, reina and arbeloa, then someone offers us 80m for torres, are we starting next year in a position of strength or not?
Its going to be hard for them. Im not predicting their demise at all, but i wont accept they can come out of this stronger.
[/quote]

In the long run I doubt it will damage them. They have always had important players and always replaced them in one way or another.

In the short term this is a blow for them. As it always has been when they have lost important players
[/quote]They have never lost the best player in the world before.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34105.msg886147#msg886147 date=1244711063]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=34105.msg886141#msg886141 date=1244710842]
Until I see what they do with the money I can't say this is great news. £80Million is way way too much money to give to Ginsoak.

Ronaldo misses 1/4 of each season so with £80M he could easily by 3 or 4 top class players for up front and where it's needed more - in midfield which IMO will strengthen them overall.

Let's see what he does with it - the reaction from my United supporting friends is one of unrestrained glee.
[/quote]Fergie wont be given 80m to spend. He'll sign two top class players, a forward and a centre midfielder.
Hes losing Hargreaves, Tevez and Ronaldo. Maybe Van der sar, scholes and Giggs too. It might not be a huge demise or owt, but strengthenin it aint.
[/quote]

He'll definitely have £80M+ to spend.

His budget was probably already in the region of £50M - why wouldn't he have £80M+ now ? Forget wages as a negativel factor - there is plenty in that budget to cover it.
 
[quote author=FoxForceFive link=topic=34105.msg886217#msg886217 date=1244713809]
Dont assume Tevez will still go, they'll now have the cash to keep hold of him so it's a possibility.
[/quote]And even if they do convince him to stay, thats 25m of their spending money gone on ONE player who doesnt even play that much. That gives them 55m (even if they were given every single penny to spend..which they wont be) to replace Ronaldo and strengthen the squad ideally replacing Neville, Van der sar, Scholes, Giggs and Hargreaves.
Interesting summer ahead for them.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34105.msg886219#msg886219 date=1244713922]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34105.msg886215#msg886215 date=1244713689]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34105.msg886213#msg886213 date=1244713534]
Ferguson is a great manager and USUALLY finds great solutions to these problems, and i have no doubt at all that if we finish ahead of them we'll win the league.
What i am sure of is this being a huge blow.
Tevez and Ronaldo where the basis of their end of season run, and them leaving is a huge huge blow. He'll buy a couple of top class replacements, and probably now has the finances to cover rb and keeper too. Buuuut i bet there isnt another player in the world whos won the games Ronaldo has in the last two years.
Look at it this way, were losing Kuyt, alonso, reina and arbeloa, then someone offers us 80m for torres, are we starting next year in a position of strength or not?
Its going to be hard for them. Im not predicting their demise at all, but i wont accept they can come out of this stronger.
[/quote]

In the long run I doubt it will damage them. They have always had important players and always replaced them in one way or another.

In the short term this is a blow for them. As it always has been when they have lost important players
[/quote]They have never lost the best player in the world before.

[/quote]

They have lost players who are important to their team. Beckham was important to their team, Van Nistelrooy was important to their team, Cantona was important to their team.

Eventually they replaced them all. Bit it took a year or so, and I imagine it will again.

Whether these players were less important than Ronaldo, possibly yes, but I'm not sure.
We shall have to wait and see what happens but I expect next season at least to be a difficult one for them.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34105.msg886189#msg886189 date=1244712260]
[quote author=Hansern link=topic=34105.msg886184#msg886184 date=1244712172]
Villa wont go to England. He'll sign for Real or Barca. He's stated that a number of times.

80 mill or not, as Andy said, if they dont sign Messi everyone they purchase will weaken the team.

Benzema, Ribery, Tevez, Valencia. It doesnt matter.
[/quote]

but all of them together would give them a stronger squad with more options from the bench if things aren't going to plan.
[/quote]

Exactamundo.
 
A lot of people are missing the point here with a "direct" replacement for Ronaldo.

United are weakest in central midfield, and with a now inflated transfer budget, they could easily improve on the likes of aging Scholes, Carrick, misfiring Anderson, fucked Hargreaves, sign Tevez, and still have room for someone like Valencia + more.

I'm unfortunately confident that United will still rack up many wins next season, Fergie will alter the system, and Rooney will probably step out of the shadows a bit more with their superstar gone, BUT that said, you can't compensate for rare arrogant world class players like Ronaldo who can pull you out of it in those tight games, and it might just be those points lost may let us slip in.
 
At the end of the day, we have our spine and we've Worked hard to ensure they;re signed up long term. Riena, Agger, Skrtel, Mascherano, Gerrard, Kuyt, Torres. Only question we have is about Alonso.

Man ure, on the other hand have an issue with their Goalkeeper (needs replaced soon) and RB, with Giggs & Scholes coming to the end, Hargreaves f**ked, big money signings like Berbatov, Nani & Anderson not performing, Tevez & Ronaldo moving on & Roonery apparently not overly happy out wide.

They will, no doubt, address those issues, but it might take a while (maybe a season).

The key for us is to keep our squad together. At this point in time I'd be happy if we retained our entire squad versus signining anyone new. As a team we've gelled and we can move forward with confidence. No other team in the top 4 is in that position.

That's were things are good for us.
 
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=34105.msg886220#msg886220 date=1244714226]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34105.msg886147#msg886147 date=1244711063]
[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=34105.msg886141#msg886141 date=1244710842]
Until I see what they do with the money I can't say this is great news. £80Million is way way too much money to give to Ginsoak.

Ronaldo misses 1/4 of each season so with £80M he could easily by 3 or 4 top class players for up front and where it's needed more - in midfield which IMO will strengthen them overall.

Let's see what he does with it - the reaction from my United supporting friends is one of unrestrained glee.
[/quote]Fergie wont be given 80m to spend. He'll sign two top class players, a forward and a centre midfielder.
Hes losing Hargreaves, Tevez and Ronaldo. Maybe Van der sar, scholes and Giggs too. It might not be a huge demise or owt, but strengthenin it aint.
[/quote]

He'll definitely have £80M+ to spend.

His budget was probably already in the region of £50M - why wouldn't he have £80M+ now ? Forget wages as a negativel factor - there is plenty in that budget to cover it.
[/quote]

He'll have loads to spend but the question is what will the prices now become once everyone knows he has that extra money?

If a club rates their star player at 30million now, then hears that United suddenly have an extra 80million and are suddenly interested they would be stupid not to try to get as much as they can
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34105.msg886222#msg886222 date=1244714326]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34105.msg886219#msg886219 date=1244713922]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34105.msg886215#msg886215 date=1244713689]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34105.msg886213#msg886213 date=1244713534]
Ferguson is a great manager and USUALLY finds great solutions to these problems, and i have no doubt at all that if we finish ahead of them we'll win the league.
What i am sure of is this being a huge blow.
Tevez and Ronaldo where the basis of their end of season run, and them leaving is a huge huge blow. He'll buy a couple of top class replacements, and probably now has the finances to cover rb and keeper too. Buuuut i bet there isnt another player in the world whos won the games Ronaldo has in the last two years.
Look at it this way, were losing Kuyt, alonso, reina and arbeloa, then someone offers us 80m for torres, are we starting next year in a position of strength or not?
Its going to be hard for them. Im not predicting their demise at all, but i wont accept they can come out of this stronger.
[/quote]

In the long run I doubt it will damage them. They have always had important players and always replaced them in one way or another.

In the short term this is a blow for them. As it always has been when they have lost important players
[/quote]They have never lost the best player in the world before.

[/quote]

They have lost players who are important to their team. Beckham was important to their team, Van Nistelrooy was important to their team, Cantona was important to their team.

Eventually they replaced them all. Bit it took a year or so, and I imagine it will again.

Whether these players were less important than Ronaldo, possibly yes, but I'm not sure.
We shall have to wait and see what happens but I expect next season at least to be a difficult one for them.
[/quote]Thats all im saying. Not that they wont survive, or even prosper long term. But this opens a window to a team who can step up.
When they sold ruud they didnt win the league for 2 years.
Question is do we take advantage?
Historically we dont.
 
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34105.msg886191#msg886191 date=1244712274]
Presumably not all of the money will go for transfers, and who knows how the actual fee will be paid (it could be staggered over a long period like most of them are, with a pretty big proportion going to Glazer), so they can't go out and improve things that much.
[/quote]

Most big money transfers are over the term of the players's contract or slightly less. 5 years was mentioned in the Telegraph I think it was.

Anyone else they buy will be on similar terms so that's really irrelevant. Fact is the money is there one way or another.
 
I think United will be better off in the long term without him, but in the short term (i.e. next season) they might fall away a little bit (whilst they re-adjust). Has a team ever won 4 league titles in a row?
 
Great fucking news. Love to know how they are going to replace his 30-40 goals from wide right. Sweeeeeeeet.

I don't care if they sign Ribery, he wont score 40 fucking goals.
 
[quote author=vikas link=topic=34105.msg886224#msg886224 date=1244714408]
Rooney will probably step out of the shadows a bit more

[/quote]

This is the key really. Most of us agree he's a great player (bar Glock who rates Adu higher) - but I've always wondered if he's capable of being that 25-35 goal a season striker. For Manure to win the league next year, he'll need to be that ...
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=34105.msg886228#msg886228 date=1244714551]
Thats all im saying. Not that they wont survive, or even prosper long term. But this opens a window to a team who can step up.
When they sold ruud they didnt win the league for 2 years.
Question is do we take advantage?
Historically we dont.
[/quote]

I agree, it looks like we have been given an unexpected bonus, especially with Chelsea having yet another new manager. We should be going into next season in a very good position.

However, the pessimist in me says that, for whatever reason, we will fail to capitalise on this.
 
There's a manc being interviewed on Sky at the moment. Why do they always have their heads slanting to one side? A weird socio-anthropological phenomenon. Maybe they're all just instinctively bracing themselves for a slap.
 
:-X

Is it too much to ask that Fergie feels undermined by the Glass fitters and chucks his toys out of the pram and quits.
*begins chimping furiously*
 
I think that any Manc who thinks this is a good for their club is delusional.
However any Lverpool fan who think that Man U wont be a major major treat, even without Ronaldo, is also delusional.
 
[quote author=the count link=topic=34105.msg886238#msg886238 date=1244715417]
I think that any Manc who thinks this is a good for their club is delusional.
However any Lverpool fan who think that Man U wont be a major major treat, even without Ronaldo, is also delusional.
[/quote]

I don't think anyone would suggest that United will sink without trace. They will be the team to beat. Its just that losing Ronaldo should make them easier to beat.
 
[quote author=Richey link=topic=34105.msg886240#msg886240 date=1244715613]
[quote author=the count link=topic=34105.msg886238#msg886238 date=1244715417]
I think that any Manc who thinks this is a good for their club is delusional.
However any Lverpool fan who think that Man U wont be a major major treat, even without Ronaldo, is also delusional.
[/quote]


I don't think anyone would suggest that United will sink without trace. They will be the team to beat. Its just that losing Ronaldo should make them easier to beat.
[/quote]


They will be somewhat weaker no doubt but unfortunately they are coming off a very high level.
 
Delusion all round then.
I wanted him gone, but the 80 million figure now has me doubting that.
I agree with the points made Re Ronaldo winning games on his jacks for the scum, and it will be hard to replace him directly with one player. I think Fergie will change it up and play a different system now that Tevez and Ronaldo are likely to leave meaning they will probably buy 2 or 3 players to come in and play the new system.
Let's hope the players are more along the likes of Nani/Veron/Kleberson/Djemba Djemba etc
 
[quote author=Asim link=topic=34105.msg886253#msg886253 date=1244716625]
Delusion all round then.
I wanted him gone, but the 80 million figure now has me doubting that.
I agree with the points made Re Ronaldo winning games on his jacks for the scum, and it will be hard to replace him directly with one player. I think Fergie will change it up and play a different system now that Tevez and Ronaldo are likely to leave meaning they will probably buy 2 or 3 players to come in and play the new system.
Let's hope the players are more along the likes of Nani/Veron/Kleberson/Djemba Djemba etc
[/quote]

However good Ferguson is a manager he won't suddenly be able to change the entire system in one summer, no matter who he buys.

The new signings will need time to adapt and the existing players will need time to adjust to a new system.

Previous times when they have lost important players they have recovered, but not without 1 or 2 disappointing seasons. If Ronaldo goes I imagine it will be the same this time.
 
Good riddance to the greasy cunt. I think they'll have a hard time replacing what he brought to their side.
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=34105.msg886226#msg886226 date=1244714477]
I don't care who they sign, the scum without Ronaldo will be a lesser team.
[/quote]

Exactly. This just made my day.
 
It's kind of funny, isn't it?

In the papers there's a been a huge amount of speculation about us losing two of our best players and we've been getting all worried about it despite the money we could be receiving.

Yet United will be losing two of their best players, in fact their best player, and now we're worried about the money they will be receiving.
 
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