Ronaldo going

[737Max]

[quote author=Anita link=topic=34105.msg886157#msg886157 date=1244711406]
Where's Hargreaves going?
[/quote]

Don't think he's going anywhere Anita, his knees are fcuked! He's been in America again having more operations on them. He was supposed to be back for the start of the new season but they reckon he won't make it.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Buddha link=topic=34105.msg886164#msg886164 date=1244711574]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34105.msg886160#msg886160 date=1244711494]
the worry is they will take that money and buy a raft of stars, for instance if they bought

ribery
benzema
villa

they would be a better team.
[/quote]

Those three would probably cost more like 130-150m in this inflated market, so unlikely.
[/quote]

80 plus what their transfer kitty was going to before the sale

 

[LadyRed]

[quote author=737Max link=topic=34105.msg886166#msg886166 date=1244711598]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34105.msg886157#msg886157 date=1244711406]
Where's Hargreaves going?
[/quote]

Don't think he's going anywhere Anita, his knees are fcuked! He's been in America again having more operations on them. He was supposed to be back for the start of the new season but they reckon he won't make it.
[/quote]

Oh. I thought he was on course to be fit for the start of the season.

I always liked him and was gutted when he signed for them, but now I hope they spent some of that £80mill on another signing like Hargreaves.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=737Max link=topic=34105.msg886166#msg886166 date=1244711598]
[quote author=Anita link=topic=34105.msg886157#msg886157 date=1244711406]
Where's Hargreaves going?
[/quote]

Don't think he's going anywhere Anita, his knees are fcuked! He's been in America again having more operations on them. He was supposed to be back for the start of the new season but they reckon he won't make it.
[/quote]The bbc were strongly hinting he's done.

 

[ibromurph]

We really need to get in our targets ASAP now, before United get this money in their back pocket to spend.

I'd hate for them to outbid us on a primary target and for that player to go towards helping replace Ronaldo. We need to move quickly.

 

[737Max]

The problem for Utd is that every man and his dog know they have a shit load of cash burning a hole in their pocket so that means they can up the price for their own players.

 

[Tinto]

[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34105.msg886167#msg886167 date=1244711638]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=34105.msg886164#msg886164 date=1244711574]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=34105.msg886160#msg886160 date=1244711494]
the worry is they will take that money and buy a raft of stars, for instance if they bought

ribery
benzema
villa

they would be a better team.
[/quote]

Those three would probably cost more like 130-150m in this inflated market, so unlikely.
[/quote]

80 plus what their transfer kitty was going to before the sale
[/quote]

It isn't just the transfer fee you have to think about, Spidey... it's salaries too.

Ronaldo is on 150k per week now and those 3 will want at least 80k but probably more, especially with the top rate of tax going up. I don't think even United really wants to be paying that much more in salary especially with their debt.

 

[Buddha]

[quote author=737Max link=topic=34105.msg886174#msg886174 date=1244711893]
The problem for Utd is that every man and his dog know they have a shit load of cash burning a hole in their pocket so that means they can up the price for their own players.


[/quote]

Indeed. If they're after Benzema for instance, Aulas will screw them for every penny he can.

 

[themn]

Mike Stupid Blunose Parry on Talksport is actually suggesting that Torres would be a realistic target for Fergie.

What a mental cunt (sorry Neets).

 

[LadyRed]

As exciting as it is that Utd could be losing their best player, it means we're gonna spend the rest of the summer crapping ourselves about who they're gonna spend all that money on to replace him.

Still, gotta love the transfer window on days like today.

 

[Hansern]

Villa wont go to England. He'll sign for Real or Barca. He's stated that a number of times.

80 mill or not, as Andy said, if they dont sign Messi everyone they purchase will weaken the team.

Benzema, Ribery, Tevez, Valencia. It doesnt matter.

 

[LadyRed]

[quote author=themn link=topic=34105.msg886181#msg886181 date=1244712080]
Mike Stupid Blunose Parry on Talksport is actually suggesting that Torres would be a realistic target for Fergie.

What a mental cunt (sorry Neets).
[/quote]

They can have Lucas and Dossena for £80million, can't say fairer than that.

 

[spider-Neil]

[quote author=Hansern link=topic=34105.msg886184#msg886184 date=1244712172]
Villa wont go to England. He'll sign for Real or Barca. He's stated that a number of times.

80 mill or not, as Andy said, if they dont sign Messi everyone they purchase will weaken the team.

Benzema, Ribery, Tevez, Valencia. It doesnt matter.
[/quote]

but all of them together would give them a stronger squad with more options from the bench if things aren't going to plan.

 

[grjt]

[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=34105.msg886172#msg886172 date=1244711822]
We really need to get in our targets ASAP now, before United get this money in their back pocket to spend.

I'd hate for them to outbid us on a primary target and for that player to go towards helping replace Ronaldo. We need to move quickly.
[/quote]

You're ABSOLUTELY right... PANIC! PANIC!

Err, just as a reminder, which players were you thinking we were actually going to go head-to-head with them on again?

 

[gkmacca]

Presumably not all of the money will go for transfers, and who knows how the actual fee will be paid (it could be staggered over a long period like most of them are, with a pretty big proportion going to Glazer), so they can't go out and improve things that much.

 

[Terrier]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34105.msg886191#msg886191 date=1244712274]
Presumably not all of the money will go for transfers, and who knows how the actual fee will be paid (it could be staggered over a long period like most of them are, with a pretty big proportion going to Glazer), so they can't go out and improve things that much.
[/quote]

I bet Ferguscum gets atleast 35m for a big name.

 

[Jürgen4PM]

[move]"I wouldn't sell a virus to that mob"[/move]

 

[themn]

[quote author=Anita link=topic=34105.msg886187#msg886187 date=1244712221]
[quote author=themn link=topic=34105.msg886181#msg886181 date=1244712080]
Mike Stupid Blunose Parry on Talksport is actually suggesting that Torres would be a realistic target for Fergie.

What a mental cunt (sorry Neets).
[/quote]

They can have Lucas and Dossena for £80million, can't say fairer than that.
[/quote]

Throw in Riera as well.

Yeah, I said it !

 

[Cleveland Steamer]

Whichever way you look at it - its great news. There is no doubt the greasy tosser is one of the top players in the world. Capable of beating teams single handed on his day. Their top scorer for the past two seasons. World player of the year 2008. Main free kick taker etc etc. That is a massive blow for the scummers. So what ginsoak gets 80 million. Who's he going to spend it on? Ribery? No fucking chance. Benzema? Maybe but now his price will be massively inflated.

Any one player that he spends it on will be a gamble. For every Ronaldo there are several over priced faliures. See Veron, Nani, Hargreaves, Anderson.

To lose Tevez and Ronaldo is a blow. FACT 8)

 

[Richey]

If he goes Ferguson certainly has a problem regarding what to do.

A direct replacement is unlikely, partly because I just don't think there is one and partly because the pressure any replacement would be under would be difficult to cope with.

Instead he could try to get a few players in and change the system slightly to accomodate them but it is unlikely that they would be able to hit the ground running. Any new signings are likely to take time to settle in (like Ronaldo did).

Another thing to bear in mind is that its tempting to say "they have loads of money now, they can do whatever they like" but if you had a top player and United came in, after it being highly publicised that they had just received a massive fee surely you would raise the asking price a bit? And the chances are (especially with Madrid) that the money won't come as a lump sum anyway. Only the likes of Chelsea and Man City have that money. Madrid tend to want to pay in installments.

In the long term United will recover if they sell Ronaldo but in the short term it will affect them. They have lost important players before they might ideally have wanted to in the past (Van Nistelrooy, Cantona, Beckham) and have always replaced them, but the following season has generally seen a slight dip at least. Hopefully this will be the same

 

[flufferama]

[quote author=Anita link=topic=34105.msg886183#msg886183 date=1244712154]
As exciting as it is that Utd could be losing their best player, it means we're gonna spend the rest of the summer crapping ourselves about who they're gonna spend all that money on to replace him.

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I'm strangely relaxed about the whole thing. There's no guarantee any of the megabucks players will succeed at United if Fergie gets them.
Let's not forget Torres is a freak of nature, few could have foreseen the impact he'd have in the Premier League.

As has been argued so many times here over the past few weeks, tinkering with a winning formula is not a good idea.
Sell your title-winner by all means...all you can do is hope the replacements fit in regardless of how much they cost.

 

[jan]

Probably not worth opening another thread, there's a rumour in Spain that Madrid want Arbeloa (primarily for LB) and Benitez won't stand in his way if he wants to go. Might be a non-story but there were reports about him wanting to return to Spain last season already, so I thought I'd share.

And some good news, De La Red got a green light and is set to play again so they probably won't be buying Alonso.

 

[Oncy]

[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34105.msg886191#msg886191 date=1244712274]
Presumably not all of the money will go for transfers, and who knows how the actual fee will be paid (it could be staggered over a long period like most of them are, with a pretty big proportion going to Glazer), so they can't go out and improve things that much.
[/quote]Precisely. Lets assume they get Valencia for 20m, and a forward to replace tevez, for the sake of argument lets say benzema 30m. Thats 50m of the 80m gone and all theyve done is swapped Ronaldo and Tevez for Benzema and Valencia.
They still have to find a Right back, a centre midfielder and a keeper.
United fans are clueless if they think this is a good thing.

 

[Hansern]

How many options do you think he can fit into his squad? As Tevez has showed this big name players wants to play every game, and expect to be a first teamer. Youre dreaming if you think he can add 3-4 big name players to that squad. I'm guessing Benzema. And hes linked with Moutinho today aswell. Ribery has said he wont go to England, but I'm not sure he would turn them down. He would cost 40-50 mill though.

 

[gkmacca]

[quote author=Terrier link=topic=34105.msg886194#msg886194 date=1244712456]
[quote author=gkmacca link=topic=34105.msg886191#msg886191 date=1244712274]
Presumably not all of the money will go for transfers, and who knows how the actual fee will be paid (it could be staggered over a long period like most of them are, with a pretty big proportion going to Glazer), so they can't go out and improve things that much.
[/quote]

I bet Ferguscum gets atleast 35m for a big name.
[/quote]

Apparently big names cost much more these days...

 

[StevieM]

They'll sign a top quality new player toi try and fill the void.

But it would be like us getting $x amount for Gerrard and trying to replace him. There are plenty of good players that they could sign, but not all or even any comkbination of them may bring what Ronaldo offered them.

THat saying, Ferguson made a conscious effort to try and make the team less reliant on Ronaldo for success over the last year. How successfully that was achieved is open to debate though.

At the end of the day, Kaka has been signed, Messi won't be leaving Barca and Ribery will cost them at least $65m, which doesn't leave them "that" much to play with.

Rather than worry about the big spenders this su7mmer, I'd rather we let them "shoot their load" and then get back to sensibility.

 

[Farkmaster]

[quote author=ibromurph link=topic=34105.msg886172#msg886172 date=1244711822]
We really need to get in our targets ASAP now, before United get this money in their back pocket to spend.

I'd hate for them to outbid us on a primary target and for that player to go towards helping replace Ronaldo. We need to move quickly.
[/quote]

This isn't someone getting their pocket money. They can already outspend us if they want to, and now that this is agreed, they can of course already budget it in.

 

[Squiggles]

United will battle it out for Barca for Ribery then.

I don't think he'll ever be as good as Ronaldo.

 

[Oncy]

Ferguson is a great manager and USUALLY finds great solutions to these problems, and i have no doubt at all that if we finish ahead of them we'll win the league.
What i am sure of is this being a huge blow.
Tevez and Ronaldo where the basis of their end of season run, and them leaving is a huge huge blow. He'll buy a couple of top class replacements, and probably now has the finances to cover rb and keeper too. Buuuut i bet there isnt another player in the world whos won the games Ronaldo has in the last two years.
Look at it this way, were losing Kuyt, alonso, reina and arbeloa, then someone offers us 80m for torres, are we starting next year in a position of strength or not?
Its going to be hard for them. Im not predicting their demise at all, but i wont accept they can come out of this stronger.

 

[flufferama]

The Golden Boot will be coming to Anfield next season, folks.