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WOW... that was a very quick rally of a brigade of 1000 hooligans... brilliant... impressive that we can still be that organized...
I wonder if footballitalia is trying to encourage a violent response to our attack maybe...
WHAT THE FUCK IS HAPPENING IN THE WORLD?? HOW CAN LIES, UTTER FUCKING BULLSHIT LIES, BE PORTRAYED AS TRUTH??
I've never hated Roma before... never gave a single fuck about em tbh... but now I really hope we fucking smash 5 past em again but this time not give em any free goals.
I have to say, I've never really thought that much about Italian footy for years, but I've been rooting through the Italian sports press for obvious reasons in the past couple of weeks, and the snooty arrogance and delusional tone of superiority is incredible. You'd think Milan were still dominating Europe and the Italians were the reigning world and Euro cup winners. Really will make beating them all the more pleasurable. As Molby says, I hope we fucking eviscerate them.
I like that about the sport press in Italy. Both there and in Spain the sport press is total lunatic in a different way than in UK. A lot of coverage, combined With the in Depth analysis we sometimes get from UK as well. But they are so much into the game, without really being good, and I find it quite entertaining. I know that Roma i.e. are not seen well here, but that twitter account after the Barca game was pure gold.
I love Italy, in my twenties and early thirties I was shacked up for 7 years with a girl from Florence, we used to go to Florence six or seven times a year, I fucking love Italy... went to see Batistuta a few times.... what a player he was...
As for Roma... It would be nice if we gave em a proper execution this time.
As for the completely inciteful fucking ridiculous lies on Twitter...
WOW... Twitter eh....definitely got the wrong vowel in it... I wonder what happened to Journalistic integrity...
As for Roma... It would be nice if we gave em a proper execution this time.
As for the completely inciteful fucking ridiculous lies on Twitter...
WOW... Twitter eh....definitely got the wrong vowel in it... I wonder what happened to Journalistic integrity...
The grim violence outside Anfield on Tuesday night, in which Roma fans attacked their Liverpool counterparts, was like a flashback to the dark days of the 1980s: romanisti were carrying belts, bottles, stones and even a hammer; one man, 53-year-old Sean Cox, remains in a coma.
Although it seemed like the hooliganism of old, its roots are actually very different. The Roma fans are part of what Italians call “ultras”, meaning “beyond”, “intransigent” or “extreme”. Every Italian football team has its ultra gang and big clubs have dozens. I’ve been researching the subculture for years and, violence apart, they’re nothing like old-school British thugs.
Hooligans were generally chaotic and drunk. Italy’s ultras are uber-organised, hierarchical and calculating. They started, in the late 1960s and early 1970s, as wannabe paramilitary groups. They gave themselves names that made them sound like insurgents: Commandos, Guerrillas and Fedayeen (the group suspected of Tuesday’s violence). Although nominally apolitical, the vast majority of ultra groups in the 1970s borrowed the images and slogans of the far left, some even using the names of partisan brigades from the Second World War.
That paramilitary planning is evident in the weekly meeting each ultra group has in its own HQ, with a “president” or capo taking charge of proceedings. I’ve sat in on many and they’re like strategic policy meetings, with the core members debating slogans, songs, press releases, alliances and ambushes. I once asked someone nicknamed “Half-a-kilo” what would happen if I started my own song on the terraces and he was aghast at such spontaneity: “It would be a very serious offence if it hadn’t been agreed by the directive.”
So it was no surprise that last week’s ultras were dressed identically: all in black bomber jackets, blue jeans and white trainers. As with many Italians, the ultras are fixated on appearance and pageantry: for major games, they spend tens of thousands of euros on what they call “choreographies”: stadium mosaics, taunts, flags and flares. An ultra group’s own banner is like a military herald.
In that sense, the ultra world seems folkloric: the ultra world is a faux-medieval defence of the country’s campanilismo (attachment to the local bell tower). In fact, many ultras say they care nothing about football: it’s all about territorial defence, about the colours, the fights and the “mentality”. Ask an ultra next to you on the terraces who scored a goal and they’ll laugh at such naivety: they either weren’t watching or players change teams so often that they don’t know or care about the name.
It’s a world that, at its best, can often seem like a Sherwood Forest of outlaws and rebels. Their hated “Sheriff of Nottingham” is modern football: the fixture folly caused by TV schedules, tinny stadium music, Orwellian surveillance, disloyal players and asset-stripping owners. Many ultra groups from small clubs are genuinely noble, racing to help earthquake and flood victims or planting trees after forest fires.
But there’s also a very dark side. Last December, Italy’s parliamentary anti-mafia commission concluded in a report on the phenomenon that ultra behaviour “often reproduces mafia methods”: omertà (silence or secretiveness), collecting funds for jailed accomplices and holding weapons and drugs for third parties. The head of Lazio’s Irriducibili was recently convicted of dealing hundreds of kilos of cocaine in the capital. The commission’s report suggested that 30% of ultras are either petty or major-league criminals.
Dealing in tickets is as lucrative as, and less risky than, slinging drugs. Until his arrest, one Juventus capo-ultra, a Sicilian member of the Bravi Ragazzi (the “goodfellas”) was making €30,000 (£26,000) a game through ticket touting. That was only possible because Juventus were giving bulk tickets to ultra groups to keep them sweet; the ultras made millions a year and the club were untroubled by bad behaviour that might have meant fines or docked points. Few clubs can afford to take on their ultras – a fans’ strike is costly – with the result that there are always compromises between the suits and the “soldiers”.
When I went, a year ago, to the HQ of Juventus’s Droogs (named after the violent types in A Clockwork Orange), I saw bricks of cash and tickets next to a huge poster of Mussolini. It was more like a bank than a fan club. The Calabrian mafia tried to move in on those huge profits and in 2016 the man acting as a bridge between the ultras and the club, Ciccio Bucci, either committed suicide or was “suicided” the day after talking to investigators. His was just the most recent in a long line of deaths; over the years, the ultras have been responsible for shootings, arson, stabbings and disappearances. Each time, the murderer is eulogised on the terraces. At Anfield on Tuesday, one of the banners held by Roma fans read “DDS Con Noi”, meaning “Daniele De Santis is with us”. De Santis murdered a Napoli fan before the Italian cup final in 2014. Two years ago, an ultra in Fermo, in Le Marche, murdered a Nigerian immigrant and his name was sung throughout every subsequent match.
In the past, only a handful of ultra groups (those of Lazio, Verona and Inter, for example) were from the far right. Now the vast majority have neo-fascist names, symbols, slogans and salutes: Hitler and Mussolini are frequently invoked and foreigners are abhorred. In 2012, Tottenham fans were stabbed in Rome as they were considered Jewish. Anne Frank stickers have been used to insult rival teams.Hopefully, Liverpool fans won’t have any trouble during the return leg in Rome on Wednesday, but experience shows that anything can happen in a world that means “beyond”.
•Tobias Jones lives in Parma. His book on Italian ultras will be published by Head of Zeus.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...king-power-ultras-wield-over-italian-football
Although it seemed like the hooliganism of old, its roots are actually very different. The Roma fans are part of what Italians call “ultras”, meaning “beyond”, “intransigent” or “extreme”. Every Italian football team has its ultra gang and big clubs have dozens. I’ve been researching the subculture for years and, violence apart, they’re nothing like old-school British thugs.
Hooligans were generally chaotic and drunk. Italy’s ultras are uber-organised, hierarchical and calculating. They started, in the late 1960s and early 1970s, as wannabe paramilitary groups. They gave themselves names that made them sound like insurgents: Commandos, Guerrillas and Fedayeen (the group suspected of Tuesday’s violence). Although nominally apolitical, the vast majority of ultra groups in the 1970s borrowed the images and slogans of the far left, some even using the names of partisan brigades from the Second World War.
That paramilitary planning is evident in the weekly meeting each ultra group has in its own HQ, with a “president” or capo taking charge of proceedings. I’ve sat in on many and they’re like strategic policy meetings, with the core members debating slogans, songs, press releases, alliances and ambushes. I once asked someone nicknamed “Half-a-kilo” what would happen if I started my own song on the terraces and he was aghast at such spontaneity: “It would be a very serious offence if it hadn’t been agreed by the directive.”
So it was no surprise that last week’s ultras were dressed identically: all in black bomber jackets, blue jeans and white trainers. As with many Italians, the ultras are fixated on appearance and pageantry: for major games, they spend tens of thousands of euros on what they call “choreographies”: stadium mosaics, taunts, flags and flares. An ultra group’s own banner is like a military herald.
In that sense, the ultra world seems folkloric: the ultra world is a faux-medieval defence of the country’s campanilismo (attachment to the local bell tower). In fact, many ultras say they care nothing about football: it’s all about territorial defence, about the colours, the fights and the “mentality”. Ask an ultra next to you on the terraces who scored a goal and they’ll laugh at such naivety: they either weren’t watching or players change teams so often that they don’t know or care about the name.
It’s a world that, at its best, can often seem like a Sherwood Forest of outlaws and rebels. Their hated “Sheriff of Nottingham” is modern football: the fixture folly caused by TV schedules, tinny stadium music, Orwellian surveillance, disloyal players and asset-stripping owners. Many ultra groups from small clubs are genuinely noble, racing to help earthquake and flood victims or planting trees after forest fires.
But there’s also a very dark side. Last December, Italy’s parliamentary anti-mafia commission concluded in a report on the phenomenon that ultra behaviour “often reproduces mafia methods”: omertà (silence or secretiveness), collecting funds for jailed accomplices and holding weapons and drugs for third parties. The head of Lazio’s Irriducibili was recently convicted of dealing hundreds of kilos of cocaine in the capital. The commission’s report suggested that 30% of ultras are either petty or major-league criminals.
Dealing in tickets is as lucrative as, and less risky than, slinging drugs. Until his arrest, one Juventus capo-ultra, a Sicilian member of the Bravi Ragazzi (the “goodfellas”) was making €30,000 (£26,000) a game through ticket touting. That was only possible because Juventus were giving bulk tickets to ultra groups to keep them sweet; the ultras made millions a year and the club were untroubled by bad behaviour that might have meant fines or docked points. Few clubs can afford to take on their ultras – a fans’ strike is costly – with the result that there are always compromises between the suits and the “soldiers”.
When I went, a year ago, to the HQ of Juventus’s Droogs (named after the violent types in A Clockwork Orange), I saw bricks of cash and tickets next to a huge poster of Mussolini. It was more like a bank than a fan club. The Calabrian mafia tried to move in on those huge profits and in 2016 the man acting as a bridge between the ultras and the club, Ciccio Bucci, either committed suicide or was “suicided” the day after talking to investigators. His was just the most recent in a long line of deaths; over the years, the ultras have been responsible for shootings, arson, stabbings and disappearances. Each time, the murderer is eulogised on the terraces. At Anfield on Tuesday, one of the banners held by Roma fans read “DDS Con Noi”, meaning “Daniele De Santis is with us”. De Santis murdered a Napoli fan before the Italian cup final in 2014. Two years ago, an ultra in Fermo, in Le Marche, murdered a Nigerian immigrant and his name was sung throughout every subsequent match.
In the past, only a handful of ultra groups (those of Lazio, Verona and Inter, for example) were from the far right. Now the vast majority have neo-fascist names, symbols, slogans and salutes: Hitler and Mussolini are frequently invoked and foreigners are abhorred. In 2012, Tottenham fans were stabbed in Rome as they were considered Jewish. Anne Frank stickers have been used to insult rival teams.Hopefully, Liverpool fans won’t have any trouble during the return leg in Rome on Wednesday, but experience shows that anything can happen in a world that means “beyond”.
•Tobias Jones lives in Parma. His book on Italian ultras will be published by Head of Zeus.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...king-power-ultras-wield-over-italian-football
I knew that "Ultras" was a thing and I thought I had the gist of it but I really had no idea. It quite clearly goes beyond football. I know in many areas I'm extremely naive so perhaps someone more clued up on this can tell me how this has been allowed to seemingly flourish behind the facade of football? And if, as I suspect, this is an issue well known to UEFA how are Italian clubs allowed to still participate? Perhaps the article above exaggerates the issue but, if true, surely there has to be a blanket ban on Italian clubs until they can get their houses / clubs in order. The comment elsewhere about 1000 dangerous, or known trouble causers travelling to Rome, is really going to stir the tension and will probably act as a rallying call for every dickhead Ultra and wannabe thug out there. I'm very proud of the majority of our travelling support, but history shows how they've so often been misrepresented. If you're heading out, please be careful, something about this feels really bad, almost like it's scripted.
Irish Liverpool fan to be brought out of induced coma
Sean Cox was seriously injured when he was attacked at last week’s Champions League semi-final
about 3 hours ago
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A GoFundme page set up to help cover Mr Cox’s s medical bills and accommodation for his family had raised more than € 72,600 as of Monday morning. Photograph: Facebook
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An Irish Liverpool supporter who was seriously injured when he was attacked at last week’s Champions League semi-final is expected to be brought out of an induced coma today.
Sean Cox (53) from Co Meath, who was at the match with his brother, suffered serious head injuries when he was assaulted before last Tuesday’s match between Liverpool and Roma. He is being treated at Walton Neurological Centre in Liverpool where his condition is described as critical.
Mr Cox, who works as sales director of Dundalk-based company Precision Cables, is a life-long Liverpool FC supporter and used the match as an opportunity to also meet up with his brother who lives in the UK.
Sean Cox was seriously injured when he was attacked at last week’s Champions League semi-final
about 3 hours ago
Sorcha Pollak
A GoFundme page set up to help cover Mr Cox’s s medical bills and accommodation for his family had raised more than € 72,600 as of Monday morning. Photograph: Facebook
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An Irish Liverpool supporter who was seriously injured when he was attacked at last week’s Champions League semi-final is expected to be brought out of an induced coma today.
Sean Cox (53) from Co Meath, who was at the match with his brother, suffered serious head injuries when he was assaulted before last Tuesday’s match between Liverpool and Roma. He is being treated at Walton Neurological Centre in Liverpool where his condition is described as critical.
Mr Cox, who works as sales director of Dundalk-based company Precision Cables, is a life-long Liverpool FC supporter and used the match as an opportunity to also meet up with his brother who lives in the UK.
So the murderous ultras are actually the ones who will be selling tickets to the home section to Liverpool fans like @Insignificance outside the ground? And then they will know exactly where to find them? Fuck me, that's dangerous – this could be a ticket to a hospital or worse. Don't do it!
No worries. I will be safe in my Lucas shirt.
I hope we’re not going to have to use the unluckee meme for Insig.
Because you will be seated in the disabled section.
So they're really organised, brave and passionate in pretend wars, and playing dress-up armies, but when the real thing happens they collectively bottle it.
What a load of shithouses
Which stadium had this section for the blind? Was that in Lisbon?
Fucking hell. Seem like condoms will not be sufficient protection for this trip....
I really hope we beat these cunts...
I’m worried cos we looked tired against Stoke...
But still...
I’m worried cos we looked tired against Stoke...
But still...
I'm not sure it is tiredness as much as playing slightly within ourselves. So many players not committing 100% to challenges, running just a touch less, and with part of their energy being subconsciously preserved for the massive game around the corner. That fraction less commitment, combined with playing a few reserves, is enough to make a massive difference. The players will leave everything out there against Roma in a manner they just didn't do against Stoke.
And we have Milner from first minute now. He is in the form of his life. Player of the month for April with some distance.
Or against West Brom and Everton previously.
I like to think that the situation is being well managed , doing just enough to get us over the line without compromising our challenge for number six.
I agree with the policy though I have to admit that it is making me nervous.
Whatever people think of him on the pitch, as a club captain Jordan Henderson has really grown into the job. This is a nice touch:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another classy touch from <a href="https://twitter.com/LFC?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">@LFC</a> captain <a href="https://twitter.com/JHenderson?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">@JHenderson</a> with a heartfelt letter to <a href="https://twitter.com/kopitecox?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">@kopitecox</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/DunboyneGAA?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">@DunboyneGAA</a> <a href="https://t.co/cMvHANHuG9">pic.twitter.com/cMvHANHuG9</a></p>— Fergal Lynch (@truefergallynch) <a href="">May 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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To our friends at St. Peters GAA, Dunboyne
I am writing on behalf of the entire first team squad at Liverpool Football Club to thank you for generously sending us a jersey of your team.
We all know that our supporter Sean Cox has at least one other big sporting love in his life, aside from LFC and it's St. Peters GAA.
The situation Sean and his family are facing now makes something like playing football look as trivial as you could imagine, but as a group of players we wanted to show our support and we thought having your clubs' jersey hanging alongside ours in the dressing room was a subtle way of doing that. We know it's a very small gesture from us in the grand scheme of things, but none the less thank you for helping us make it happen.
I've never had the privilege to meet Sean, but in recent days I've been reading in the media about how much he's loved and respected in the community of Dunboyne and in particular the important role he plays at your club.
Please accept, on behalf of the Liverpool first team players, a signed shirt from us, by means of expressing our solidarity with you at this very difficult time.
Our greatest wish in this moment is that Sean can return home, with his family and see that the two sporting clubs he cherishes the most came together because of him. Thank you again for your generosity — as players we all really appreciate it.
You'll Never Walk Alone
Jordan Henderson,
Liverpool Football Club
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Another classy touch from <a href="https://twitter.com/LFC?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">@LFC</a> captain <a href="https://twitter.com/JHenderson?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">@JHenderson</a> with a heartfelt letter to <a href="https://twitter.com/kopitecox?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">@kopitecox</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/DunboyneGAA?ref_src=twsrc^tfw">@DunboyneGAA</a> <a href="https://t.co/cMvHANHuG9">pic.twitter.com/cMvHANHuG9</a></p>— Fergal Lynch (@truefergallynch) <a href="">May 1, 2018</a></blockquote>
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To our friends at St. Peters GAA, Dunboyne
I am writing on behalf of the entire first team squad at Liverpool Football Club to thank you for generously sending us a jersey of your team.
We all know that our supporter Sean Cox has at least one other big sporting love in his life, aside from LFC and it's St. Peters GAA.
The situation Sean and his family are facing now makes something like playing football look as trivial as you could imagine, but as a group of players we wanted to show our support and we thought having your clubs' jersey hanging alongside ours in the dressing room was a subtle way of doing that. We know it's a very small gesture from us in the grand scheme of things, but none the less thank you for helping us make it happen.
I've never had the privilege to meet Sean, but in recent days I've been reading in the media about how much he's loved and respected in the community of Dunboyne and in particular the important role he plays at your club.
Please accept, on behalf of the Liverpool first team players, a signed shirt from us, by means of expressing our solidarity with you at this very difficult time.
Our greatest wish in this moment is that Sean can return home, with his family and see that the two sporting clubs he cherishes the most came together because of him. Thank you again for your generosity — as players we all really appreciate it.
You'll Never Walk Alone
Jordan Henderson,
Liverpool Football Club
Rome might have the St. Peters cathedral, but we have St. Peters shirt and we will fight for that shirt!!
Hahaha you daft bugger
A+E
Lucas has a BBQ i guess?
I await the info from some friends down there. I'l let you know
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