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Poll Rodgers' execution day?

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Klopp built up Dortmund and before that Mainz. He is an excellent team builder. He isn't an excellent tactician. He is excellent motivating players and as I said an excellent team builder. If we signed him up then we would play very close to how we played the 13-14 season. That is how he sets up his team.
 
We are becoming or even have become a mid table side with a mid table mentality. Our expectations are so low that there's some who still think it's OK for us to be so shit.

We are not knee jerkers, just the opposite - we take way too long to recognise when we are falling behind the pack. It's been our failing for a generation but FSG are taking this to new extremes.
 
We're an egomaniac's wet dream. A massive club that will explode if it ever actually wins the title again. Even if it just wins the Champions League it will spend the next ten years doing plays, poems, movies, books, annual meetings, etc etc about it. What's not to like?
 
We're an egomaniac's wet dream. A massive club that will explode if it ever actually wins the title again. Even if it just wins the Champions League it will spend the next ten years doing plays, poems, movies, books, annual meetings, etc etc about it. What's not to like?



Well, hope springs eternal - in spite of the bad place we are in at the moment, this club produces miracles
 
Generally speaking though the kind of managers people are talking about you can count on one hand. Look around at the top clubs in Europe and there are very few you'd pick out as anything approaching a sure bet. A lot of top clubs are going with younger less experienced managers.

Utd went for the proven winner option in LVG and whilst they got back into the CL it's debatable as to whether he's been a success. He's already talking about his "successor". I wouldn't want a manager seen as a stop-gap. It never works because it's just a year or two of spending money and coaching in a particular way that isn't necessarily going to translate to the next guy.

I don't know that there are any shortcuts for us. Dortmund found Klopp at Mainz and together they built a side that was able to challenge at the top. We need to find our Klopp (whether that's the man himself or someone else). FSG plumped for Rodgers and having backed him so heavily over the summer it's hard to imagine they'll get rid mid-season unless we're nowhere near the top 7.
 
Aye.
Neil Fitzmaurice has a poem scribbled about Coutinho the magician who got the idea of the curly perm from his heroes of 80's Bootle.
 
We're an egomaniac's wet dream. A massive club that will explode if it ever actually wins the title again. Even if it just wins the Champions League it will spend the next ten years doing plays, poems, movies, books, annual meetings, etc etc about it. What's not to like?


Yup. The next manager who wins us the league is guaranteed immortality.
 
It's just a matter of when.
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I kinda agree with half of that and completely disagree with the rest. You can't knock him for our flaws and then decide to deprive him of what qualities saw us go on a great spell for 18 months. "That front three" consisted of Suarez (granted) , Sturridge (who he bought) and Sterling (who he was brave enough to put faith in at an early age). It's also completely ignoring that a fulcrum in that set up was Coutinho, who he also bought.

The one constant through all of this crap is poor defensive discipline, which is down to Rodgers, the point about 13/14 (and the previous 5-6 months I might add) holding no water errrr, holds no water, because when we played at our best it was his system working at it's best with two fundamental parts who were his players and one kid who he had the balls to throw into the side. Depriving him of any acknowledgement for that is selective at best.

We've been shite for the best part of a year now, but let's not rewrite history.

I think when dishing out credit, a lot of perspective is required.

We've had one good season under Rodgers and it involved career years from Suarez and Sturridge.

If you argue that Rodgers is somehow to credit for those career years, that needs to be offset against the myriad of strikers who have utterly failed.

The further we are away from that season the harder it is to believe that what occurred was down to some skill on Rodgers part, a skill that has been totally absent every other year.

I don't believe managerial performance fluctuates greatly, I think the other factors do though. So for me I see a manager whose only credit derives from a season that was more likely than not a fluke. We were a fourth place team that finished second because of outlier seasons from two players.
 
It's just a matter of when.
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Ha ha. Actually, if Rodgers did go, I wouldn't mind him as a (strictly) caretaker manager until the end of the season. Kenny would surely tell FSG to go feck themselves, and who else would be around? 'Arry would at least get the team in a basic sort of order, playing reasonably decent football, and then Ancelotti or Klopp could take over in the summer.
 
I agree, but it's a new start so you have to be patient.
Why ? It's not a 'New Start'. Past history isn't erased simply because FSG have extended the time they have given him to prove himself and the team. I bet their patience is wearing thin ... though I'd be shocked if he were to go before Xmas.
 
The Liverpool way is dead unfortunately.
There's a fucking website collecting donations to get the manager sacked.
If Chelsea or the bitters done that shit we'd be laughing at them for months.
As the old poker saying goes 'If you can't spot the sucker at the table after a while then you are the sucker'.
 
Leo, I'd be tempted to agree if I thought that site was typical of Liverpool fans, but the derisory amount that's been contributed tells its own story. Let's not go overboard here.
 
Leo, I'd be tempted to agree if I thought that site was typical of Liverpool fans, but the derisory amount that's been contributed tells its own story. Let's not go overboard here.
I know that but it's the overall state of affairs.
Anfield is dead.
We've some of our own fans hoping we lose games.
We're a joke.
 
I know that but it's the overall state of affairs.
Anfield is dead.
We've some of our own fans hoping we lose games.
We're a joke.


It's not fans. It's arseholes - look at Scullys avatar. I would ban him if I could. Fuck them and get on with it.

Stadium (Gate) is all that matters right now. I like what FSG is doing. We are on the way and we will get there.

You always was a moan. Either get it over with or saddle up. Anything else is just nonsensical.
 
Klopp built up Dortmund and before that Mainz. He is an excellent team builder. He isn't an excellent tactician. He is excellent motivating players and as I said an excellent team builder. If we signed him up then we would play very close to how we played the 13-14 season. That is how he sets up his team.

So he'll just need a fit Sturridge, Suarez and Sterling back so yeah?
 
I know that but it's the overall state of affairs.
Anfield is dead.
We've some of our own fans hoping we lose games.
We're a joke.
Youre bang on the money

We're not a special club, our fans aren't the most knowledgeable (but they do have the arrogance to believe they are), and on the whole we're just a vehicle for the rich to get richer

Souls and ideologies in football clubs don't exist any more
 
Youre bang on the money

We're not a special club, our fans aren't the most knowledgeable (but they do have the arrogance to believe they are), and on the whole we're just a vehicle for the rich to get richer

Souls and ideologies in football clubs don't exist any more

Nail on the head and all that. If we continue to miss out on the top four year after year then FSG will IMO sell us in a couple of years before the value of the club drops to much. They own us because of the money, nothing else. They won't care if they sold us to a new owner as bad as Gillett and Hicks if they offered enough money.
 
FSG didn't fight Gillett and Hicks in the court because they felt sorry for us and wanted to save us. They saw a good investment.
 
We are becoming or even have become a mid table side with a mid table mentality. Our expectations are so low that there's some who still think it's OK for us to be so shit.

We are not knee jerkers, just the opposite - we take way too long to recognise when we are falling behind the pack. It's been our failing for a generation but FSG are taking this to new extremes.
By definition if we're a mid table side then we're in the middle of the pack and not falling behind it.
 
And you say this is a bad thing?

My point is that FSG only care about money. They won't care what happen to us after they sold us. If they can earn more money making us a midtable team than splashing out big to make us a top four team then that is what they will do. They haven't risked a single dollar of their own money so far. They loaned the club £115m. Money that will be paid back. They are like Gillett and Hicks but without risking the club as long as they own it. They haven't spent that much money net and considering the big TV deal we will almost guaranteed make a big profit.
 
My point is that FSG only care about money. They won't care what happen to us after they sold us. If they can earn more money making us a midtable team than splashing out big to make us a top four team then that is what they will do. They haven't risked a single dollar of their own money so far. They loaned the club £115m. Money that will be paid back. They are like Gillett and Hicks but without risking the club as long as they own it. They haven't spent that much money net and considering the big TV deal we will almost guaranteed make a big profit.

There are very few owners who care about anything else. The crux is how much they care about money. The more money they want to generate from the club, the better it is for us arguably. We've branched more than ever in terms of marketing the club across the World, we're building a new stand and regardless of net spends, we're spending enough in the transfer market for our minimal task of getting in the top four to be at least achievable more than we're actually managing to execute it. Sterling and Suarez going is more a symptom of the clubs misfortunes in trying to win things, than anything else. You lose players when you fail, and with Suarez, he was an exceptional talent who could have played anywhere.

I don't know why you're explaining it to us like it's some new, sinister way of running a club. They bought us to make money, no shit Sherlock.

They are nothing like Gillett and Hicks, at least there's a spade in the ground and at least they're not trying to run the club into the ground with high end debts chained around it's neck.

I think they've got to learn about football and they've made alot of mistakes at personnel level, but your bold comparisons and fretting over their "plot" is ridiculous.
 
There are very few owners who care about anything else. The crux is how much they care about money. The more money they want to generate from the club, the better it is for us arguably. We've branched more than ever in terms of marketing the club across the World, we're building a new stand and regardless of net spends, we're spending enough in the transfer market for our minimal task of getting in the top four to be at least achievable more than we're actually managing to execute it. Sterling and Suarez going is more a symptom of the clubs misfortunes in trying to win things, than anything else. You lose players when you fail, and with Suarez, he was an exceptional talent who could have played anywhere.

I don't know why you're explaining it to us like it's some new, sinister way of running a club. They bought us to make money, no shit Sherlock.

They are nothing like Gillett and Hicks, at least there's a spade in the ground and at least they're not trying to run the club into the ground with high end debts chained around it's neck.

I think they've got to learn about football and they've made alot of mistakes at personnel level, but your bold comparisons and fretting over their "plot" is ridiculous.


I think FSG have gotten off pretty lightly so far, they are pretty media savvy and they obviously have a tremendous amount of goodwill just by being the owners who saved us from G&H but ultimately I suspect they are in over their heads and would welcome the opportunity to cash out now. Its unrealistic to expect owners to get into it lose a fortune so I dont blame them for being in it for the profit. However think their framework is largely at fault for alot of the ridiculous transfer decisions we have made over the last few years and they just dont seem to learn their lesson. They have never displayed any ambition with regard to getting a top manager because they think their system is so smart they dont need one. I cant see any way that we will sustain long term success under their ownership, it would simply be another 1 off great campaign like we saw 2 seasons ago.
 
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