Poll Rodgers' execution day?
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I'd just like to see the swashbuckling Liverpool of 2 seasons ago. This constant Rodgers berating kinda makes SCM shit.
Rodgers and Martinez were both contracted to other clubs at the time, so Im not sure what you mean by available.
110%. Lost to the moaners. Same piss again and again. They find some sort of comfort in repeating the message to whom ever might share their opinion or listen to them.
I went through the same process with Gerrard.
Just 3 likes!!!???
Put those teeth away, monsieur - they are blending me!
Thats fucking world class!!
You fucking cunts.
And the bitching on a Rodgers moan that always follows is also meh.
"Give him a chance - it's only 5 games"; fuck off - we're shit.
AvB he was available
They don't give out medals on here as far as I'm aware.....
It just makes no sense calling for the managers head at this stage. It's ludicrous. You have to be a huge fucking moron to make any sense of that approach. You really think a club like LFC would benefit from a decision like that? Seriously? How do you think it would reflect on LFC and affect the chances of landing good managers in the future if we back a manager to the hilt and then fire him 5 matches in? How little perspective are you allowed to have? How interesting can any dialogue when you guys have this dead on/Hard on approach to such a complex subject? The decision to keep Rodgers have been made and you want to fire him after 5 matches - Fucking assholes and complete wankers the lot of you. Get behind the club or go support City or Barcalona - they rarely lose and win titles - much easier for you.
You need to man the fuck up or the "dead m(o)an walking" will close this site or at the very least leave it on suicide watch.
You need to man the fuck up or the "dead m(o)an walking" will close this site or at the very least leave it on suicide watch.
It won't reflect well on the club if it is seen to continue to accept failure. Top managers don't want to be indulged in mediocrity. They want to win. So it might put off medicore managers looking for a comfortable job, but not managers with appetite and experience and an impatience to win.
You know as well as I do there is no way in hell he will get the sack for losing at Arse and Scum. We are playing shite. Let's see what happens when Coutinho, Hendo and Sturridge get back in.
Christ, we have been here countless times before during the past 10 years. Same BS every single time.
5 wins and its forgotten...
So what's the threshold? We haven't seen any convincing football over more than 45 minutes for over a season. We haven't seen a decent coherent transfer policy at all since he came in. In all the time he's been here he hasn't set up a defence properly bar a run last season that destroyed our creativity & attacking verve in the process of keeping clean sheets at all costs, even then the defence didn't look solid, despite the results saying otherwise for a short period.
You know what, if we'd have gone down 3-1 to Utd playing boss footy it would have been different. This isn't just about results, it's about performance, or the lack of it.
In that respect, both Rodgers & the players in his charge are being found sadly lacking.
Enough is enough.
You know full well it nowhere near "Enough" yet. It will take something extraordinary to reach the sacking point.
We are playing shite - not even a blind man could argue with that.
Does that mean that all is lost and we are incapable of growing into a swan over the season?
Does it mean that all is lost?
Are the manager, who in all fairness brought us what is widely considered the best football since 88 in 13/14, regressing in terms of football management?
Or are we building and it takes time?
Could the return of senior players help so we dont have to rely on youngsters and newbies?
I don't care what you say or how you dress it - Axing our manager 5 games in isn't the Livperpool way and you would be embarrassed if we did. I certainly would. With 7 out of 15 and two of the hardest away games gone. We would be an even bigger joke than we are right now. Trust me!
This isn't a reaction after just five games though!
Exactly.
Wiberg, you're a sensible poster normally but you need to get over yourself on this one. There's been a looooooong build-up to the fans' (not just 6CM's) disenchantment with the manager, and some of us who have reluctantly decided that he isn't up to the job have waited for a VERY long time before finally being persuaded by the sheer weight of evidence.
Wiberg, you're a sensible poster normally but you need to get over yourself on this one. There's been a looooooong build-up to the fans' (not just 6CM's) disenchantment with the manager, and some of us who have reluctantly decided that he isn't up to the job have waited for a VERY long time before finally being persuaded by the sheer weight of evidence.
I agree, but it's a new start so you have to be patient. FSG chose to back him so they have to give him time. It's hard for any of us to support Brendan right now. He is making more bad decisions than Napoleon at Waterloo and we look awful or worse. But the moment you are trying to build a case for him to be axed right now, that's when you lost the plot. It's not time yet. You know this. Macca knows it. You been around the Block...with the Fat Lady while she was singing.....you know what I mean.
Thanks, Jules. You always make sense as well 🙂
I agree we are utter shite. I'm also certain that from a realistic point of view it's not time yet.
If you were Henry would you seriously fire BR at this junction? No way in hell. It would reflect just as poorly on you if you did and it wouldn't be the best for the club. We are not Newcastle. We would look like twats as a club. The continuity that we trying to introduce would be lost.
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I'm not much bothered about how things might look (to me it's far more important to solve problems than it is to look good), and IMO the point about continuity only becomes relevant if you actually want to continue what's currently happening. I do accept that there's a debate to be had about when to pull the plug on the manager, but I'm afraid my mind is made up that it needs to happen and, if Klopp or (even better) Ancelotti were to indicate that they'd come tomorrow, I'd fire Rodgers this afternoon.
Your point further up the thread about it being 5 games in cuts no ice. It's since he arrived. Your point about the best footy since 88 in 13/14 doesn't hold much water either. The front 3 brought us that. Lest you forget, we shipped goals like an Albanian third division team in the champions league. Guess what, we still concede at more or less exactly the same rate. He was a coward in letting his staff take the blame for him in the summer, whats his excuses since? Can't really have been much to do with them now can it? Do we think the club have hired another couple of crap coaches in Mcallister and the other guy ( name escapes me at the mo )? I very much doubt it. No, there is one constant through all of this crap, and we all know who it is. You say firing the manager this early would make us look bad, I feel it would make us look as though we are focussed on getting things back to where we believe they ought to be, and that we won't suffer this ridiculous self indulgence any longer.
I'm not calling for his head. But things are looking bleak. We can't afford to let this continue until Xmas.
If there is a Plan B, and it appears Klopp might be that, then I'd rather we took that option rather than keep spinning the dice. If we need a change and I think we do, then why wait?
I want Rodgers to succeed, because then the club does but with anything that's not working, you have to stop, evaluate, and then consider the options.
The points tally is where I expected it pre-season. The places we got the points are back to front. We don't seem to have a coherent plan on the pitch. This is not 5 games in, this is a carry on from last season.
I thought the time to change was summer. But we spun the dice. It's not working. Out of interest, where's your tipping point? Taking into account the run of fixtures we have coming up. Personally, if we lose one or both of the next 2 home games in a similar toothless fashion then I think it's done. These are the games where we need to pick up points to counter our inability to beat our rivals for the top four. I'm trying not to be melodramatic because I'm not. I'm apathetic, I'm usually eternally and annoyingly optimistic. That I'm that apathetic about this situation says so much to me.
Could be worse though, could be a Chelsea fan.
I kinda agree with half of that and completely disagree with the rest. You can't knock him for our flaws and then decide to deprive him of what qualities saw us go on a great spell for 18 months. "That front three" consisted of Suarez (granted) , Sturridge (who he bought) and Sterling (who he was brave enough to put faith in at an early age). It's also completely ignoring that a fulcrum in that set up was Coutinho, who he also bought.
The one constant through all of this crap is poor defensive discipline, which is down to Rodgers, the point about 13/14 (and the previous 5-6 months I might add) holding no water errrr, holds no water, because when we played at our best it was his system working at it's best with two fundamental parts who were his players and one kid who he had the balls to throw into the side. Depriving him of any acknowledgement for that is selective at best.
We've been shite for the best part of a year now, but let's not rewrite history.
Do you think it's working Mark? Yes or no?
No mate, I really don't. People think I'm blindly defending him, I'm really not. It's not working because when the attack doesn't work, our defense is too unreliable to scrape results, no arguments from me there, it's been the same throughout his tenure. I'm just not having it that we can blame him entirely square on for our faults, but any good he has done - and it wasn't a mere lucky spell, it was 18 sodding months (half his tenure), are down to variables out of his control. It's selective and biased.
Like I say, he could have no arguments if we continue this way and he gets the boot.
I'm in your camp mate. I can't do the melodrama. But time is up for me, and I think fast approaching for FSG.
Unless we get someone worth sacking him for, and I'm not sure Klopp is the answer, then I don't see the point in acting for the sake of it. If we sack him and then start sniffing around someone like Gary Monk, then I really do lose all hope. If we want to be a big club again and we're willing to sack him to get closer to that, then we have to bring in someone with a track record and with experience, anything else is another patience sapping endurance job.
Ah yes, I missed that bit. No point getting rid if no replacement of note is available straight away.
They're excellent points.
However, whilst the variables in whether we're a good attacking side (so therefore whether we win or not), aren't really classed as variables out of his control, they're out of the control of any club that can't spunk hundreds of millions on attackers.
At the level we are now at, we need (imo of course) an experienced manager who can first & foremost set up a defence. Whenever our club has won something we've been able to defend. I'd argue whenever any club has ever won things consistently it's built on a solid defence.
If Rodgers were at city or Chelsea he could arguably win things, but here we can't buy attackers that good that the leaky defence doesn't stop us winning.
There's also the not insignificant factor that Rodgers can't win those critical matches that truly matter. I don't honestly know why, or if it's even tangible, but whatever it is that Rafa has, Rodgers is the antithesis of that shit.
Pretty much Jon. But this is the concern over Klopp, he smacks of being another manager who needs something built for him to thrive. Give him an up hill battle and is he just another bottler? I don't know, but I'd rather have someone with experience of winning in a few different situations and footballing climates, than another young manager with plenty of potential if he's given certain comforts. We can't offer top tier wages, fees and attraction, so you want a manager who can forge a team and a structure first while simultaneously adapting what good assets we do have. Do we have the pull? Will we find a manager who is both respected AND capable of doing it at a more restricted club? I'm scratching my head at the idea of identifying viable options. Carlo and Jose are the two standout managers who could get us going in a short space of time, but they feel like pipe dreams.
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