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[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927188#msg927188 date=1250606584]
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[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35290.msg926942#msg926942 date=1250583972]
If Riera was fit and wanting to play, someone wants fucking

regards
[/quote]

I'd agree with that 100%. If Riera was fit and ready, why suffer Babel?

This thread has depressed me.

Between Johnson 18M, Aquilani 20M and Silva 20+M we could end up sending 60M this summer and not really improving the team.


[/quote]

If you don't think Johnson and Silva would be improvements then your silly. Johnson will prove a great signing, and Silva would be like an even better version of Benayoun. Aqualiani for Alonso is debatable. Clearly most of us would rather have kept Alonso, however if Aqua can get fit, stay fit, he might even end up being an improvement too.
[/quote]

Riera as (1) he is not a genuine winger and is replacing the only one we have at the club & (2) he's not even as good as Riera, full stop.

[/quote]

Let me guess you've decided this because Riera playing in the confedarations cup and not Silva?

Your right Silva isn't a wingers like Riera, he's more a creative attacking midfield like Benayoun, which is exactly what we need in the system we play. Incase you haven't noticed over the last 2 years the players often playing the balls into the box from the byline and out wide are our fullbacks, not because the wingers aren't good enough to do it, but because the cut into the middle because thats how Rafa tells them to play.

Silva would be a HUGE improvement on Riera, ideally however Silva would complement Riera as like Yossi, Silva can play lots of different places.
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927217#msg927217 date=1250607897]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35290.msg927211#msg927211 date=1250607684]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927188#msg927188 date=1250606584]
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[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927180#msg927180 date=1250605790]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35290.msg926942#msg926942 date=1250583972]
If Riera was fit and wanting to play, someone wants fucking

regards
[/quote]

I'd agree with that 100%. If Riera was fit and ready, why suffer Babel?

This thread has depressed me.

Between Johnson 18M, Aquilani 20M and Silva 20+M we could end up sending 60M this summer and not really improving the team.


[/quote]

If you don't think Johnson and Silva would be improvements then your silly. Johnson will prove a great signing, and Silva would be like an even better version of Benayoun. Aqualiani for Alonso is debatable. Clearly most of us would rather have kept Alonso, however if Aqua can get fit, stay fit, he might even end up being an improvement too.
[/quote]

I'm not silly. I'm remarkably astute.

Johnson is an improvement on Arbeloa. Granted. Aquliani is certainly not an improvement on Alsono until proven otherwise, and most likely never. Silva is not an improvement on Riera as (1) he is not a genuine winger and is replacing the only one we have at the club & (2) he's not even as good as Riera, full stop.

  Alonso Masch
Kuyt Gerrard Riera
      Torres

is better than

  Aquilani Masch
Kuyt Gerrard Silva
      Torres

because it's proven.

So, granted, Johnson is great but, 60 mil down the track, we have a better right back. Whoop de fuckin do.





[/quote]

But we don't play with genuine wingers, not since Rafa's gone 4-2-3-1 anyway. Instead we have flexible, attacking midfielders who take up good positions between the lines and have the ability to go either way, with the emphasis on the fullbacks providing the width.

I think Riera's done a good job at filling in last year, and I like him as a player, but Silva possesses more quality and is better suited to the system.

As for whether we've improved or not, I think the best we can hope for is we've done is stayed the same; providing we get luck with injuries this should be enough to present a decent title challenge and hopefully bring the title home in May. 
[/quote]

1. "I think Riera's done a good job at filling in last year, and I like him as a player, but Silva possesses more quality and is better suited to the system."

No offence but how do you justify that?

2. "As for whether we've improved or not, I think the best we can hope for is we've done is stayed the same".

We'll have spent 60 million.



[/quote]

1.  Because I like Valencia and I've admired Silva for some time. I wanted him for the last two summers, and I still want him now; he's a fantastic talent with bags of potential and is ready to step up to a bigger European club. And when fit, he's also first choice over Riera in the Spanish national team.

2. I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse or not, but we have lost one of the best CM's in the world. Constant improvement may be demanded my some idiotic fans, but it's very difficult to do even at the best of times, and especially when someone so key to your system decides to leave. You can ramble on about "where's £60M" worth of improvement to your hearts content, but it doesn't work like that at all - especially when you completely ignore the context.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35290.msg927223#msg927223 date=1250608253]

2. I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse or not, but we have lost one of the best CM's in the world. Constant improvement may be demanded my some idiotic fans, but it's very difficult to do even at the best of times; especially when someone so key to your system decides to leave. You can ramble on about "where's £60M" worth of improvement to your hearts content, but it doesn't work like that at all.
[/quote]

Especially considering if we sell Riera almost all of that money would have been recouped this window. Not including the fabled Robbie Keane transfer.
 
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=35290.msg927222#msg927222 date=1250608083]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927188#msg927188 date=1250606584]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=35290.msg927186#msg927186 date=1250606232]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927180#msg927180 date=1250605790]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35290.msg926942#msg926942 date=1250583972]
If Riera was fit and wanting to play, someone wants fucking

regards
[/quote]

I'd agree with that 100%. If Riera was fit and ready, why suffer Babel?

This thread has depressed me.

Between Johnson 18M, Aquilani 20M and Silva 20+M we could end up sending 60M this summer and not really improving the team.


[/quote]

If you don't think Johnson and Silva would be improvements then your silly. Johnson will prove a great signing, and Silva would be like an even better version of Benayoun. Aqualiani for Alonso is debatable. Clearly most of us would rather have kept Alonso, however if Aqua can get fit, stay fit, he might even end up being an improvement too.
[/quote]

Riera as (1) he is not a genuine winger and is replacing the only one we have at the club & (2) he's not even as good as Riera, full stop.

[/quote]

Let me guess you've decided this because Riera playing in the confedarations cup and not Silva?

Your right Silva isn't a wingers like Riera, he's more a creative attacking midfield like Benayoun, which is exactly what we need in the system we play. Incase you haven't noticed over the last 2 years the players often playing the balls into the box from the byline and out wide are our fullbacks, not because the wingers aren't good enough to do it, but because the cut into the middle because thats how Rafa tells them to play.

Silva would be a HUGE improvement on Riera, ideally however Silva would complement Riera as like Yossi, Silva can play lots of different places.
[/quote]

this is what liverpool needs;
someone to go past players in a wide area
cross the ball accurately
come inside when the ball is on the other flank and score goals
open up stubburn defenses

I think silva can deliver the last two but not the first two
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=35290.msg927226#msg927226 date=1250608389]

this is what liverpool needs;
someone to go past players in a wide area
cross the ball accurately
come inside when the ball is on the other flank and score goals
open up stubburn defenses

I think silva can deliver the last two but not the first two
[/quote]

Johnson does the first two. It's the job of our full backs to get the crosses in. Although our wingers do occasionally do it too, I've seen Kuyt do it many times, and Reira and Benayoun, although it's not his strongest facet, Silva would provide some of this too. Our fullbacks sticking out wide waiting for the winger to play them into space has for a very long time been how our system works and I think Johnson and Aurelio can really cause damage doing this.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35290.msg927211#msg927211 date=1250607684]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927188#msg927188 date=1250606584]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=35290.msg927186#msg927186 date=1250606232]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927180#msg927180 date=1250605790]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35290.msg926942#msg926942 date=1250583972]
If Riera was fit and wanting to play, someone wants fucking

regards
[/quote]

I'd agree with that 100%. If Riera was fit and ready, why suffer Babel?

This thread has depressed me.

Between Johnson 18M, Aquilani 20M and Silva 20+M we could end up sending 60M this summer and not really improving the team.


[/quote]

If you don't think Johnson and Silva would be improvements then your silly. Johnson will prove a great signing, and Silva would be like an even better version of Benayoun. Aqualiani for Alonso is debatable. Clearly most of us would rather have kept Alonso, however if Aqua can get fit, stay fit, he might even end up being an improvement too.
[/quote]

I'm not silly. I'm remarkably astute.

Johnson is an improvement on Arbeloa. Granted. Aquliani is certainly not an improvement on Alsono until proven otherwise, and most likely never. Silva is not an improvement on Riera as (1) he is not a genuine winger and is replacing the only one we have at the club & (2) he's not even as good as Riera, full stop.

Alonso Masch
Kuyt Gerrard Riera
Torres

is better than

Aquilani Masch
Kuyt Gerrard Silva
Torres

because it's proven.

So, granted, Johnson is great but, 60 mil down the track, we have a better right back. Whoop de fuckin do.





[/quote]



I think Riera's done a good job at filling in last year, and I like him as a player, but Silva possesses more quality and is better suited to the system.


[/quote]

How can you possibly qualify that? I mean realistically and not the usual bollox about systems and the like.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35290.msg927223#msg927223 date=1250608253]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927217#msg927217 date=1250607897]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35290.msg927211#msg927211 date=1250607684]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927188#msg927188 date=1250606584]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=35290.msg927186#msg927186 date=1250606232]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927180#msg927180 date=1250605790]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35290.msg926942#msg926942 date=1250583972]
If Riera was fit and wanting to play, someone wants fucking

regards
[/quote]

I'd agree with that 100%. If Riera was fit and ready, why suffer Babel?

This thread has depressed me.

Between Johnson 18M, Aquilani 20M and Silva 20+M we could end up sending 60M this summer and not really improving the team.


[/quote]

If you don't think Johnson and Silva would be improvements then your silly. Johnson will prove a great signing, and Silva would be like an even better version of Benayoun. Aqualiani for Alonso is debatable. Clearly most of us would rather have kept Alonso, however if Aqua can get fit, stay fit, he might even end up being an improvement too.
[/quote]

I'm not silly. I'm remarkably astute.

Johnson is an improvement on Arbeloa. Granted. Aquliani is certainly not an improvement on Alsono until proven otherwise, and most likely never. Silva is not an improvement on Riera as (1) he is not a genuine winger and is replacing the only one we have at the club & (2) he's not even as good as Riera, full stop.

Alonso Masch
Kuyt Gerrard Riera
Torres

is better than

Aquilani Masch
Kuyt Gerrard Silva
Torres

because it's proven.

So, granted, Johnson is great but, 60 mil down the track, we have a better right back. Whoop de fuckin do.





[/quote]

But we don't play with genuine wingers, not since Rafa's gone 4-2-3-1 anyway. Instead we have flexible, attacking midfielders who take up good positions between the lines and have the ability to go either way, with the emphasis on the fullbacks providing the width.

I think Riera's done a good job at filling in last year, and I like him as a player, but Silva possesses more quality and is better suited to the system.

As for whether we've improved or not, I think the best we can hope for is we've done is stayed the same; providing we get luck with injuries this should be enough to present a decent title challenge and hopefully bring the title home in May.
[/quote]

1. "I think Riera's done a good job at filling in last year, and I like him as a player, but Silva possesses more quality and is better suited to the system."

No offence but how do you justify that?

2. "As for whether we've improved or not, I think the best we can hope for is we've done is stayed the same".

We'll have spent 60 million.



[/quote]

1. Because I like Valencia and I've admired Silva for some time. I wanted him for the last two summers, and I still want him now; he's a fantastic talent with bags of potential and is ready to step up to a bigger European club. And when fit, he's also first choice over Riera in the Spanish national team.

2. I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse or not, but we have lost one of the best CM's in the world. Constant improvement may be demanded my some idiotic fans, but it's very difficult to do even at the best of times, and especially when someone so key to your system decides to leave. You can ramble on about "where's £60M" worth of improvement to your hearts content, but it doesn't work like that at all - especially when you completely ignore the context.
[/quote]

Silva's not first choice for Spain, I'm sick of this. Check
(a) how many games Del Bosque has been in charge
(b) how many Sliva has started (not many)
(c) how many he's been available for (most)
(d) how many Riera has started (virtually all)

I'm not saying that this is the be all and end all but, Del Bosque simply prefers Riera. Fit Silva or not.

During the best period in their footballing history.
 
Seriously, what are you going on about?

Does someone have to be wearing a red shirt before they can be judged a better player? In your eyes I'm starting to think so. You've already said Aquliani's "certainly not an improvement until proven otherwise" and now you dismiss any reasons why Silva could possibly be better than Riera.

Silva has more pace, more skill, a gifted first touch, intelligent passing, and I think he could increase his goal return significantly. Torres has already told Yossi that he should be starting every week, and that he loves playing with him. Well Silva's like an in-form Yossi but with perhaps even more talent. 
 
Who played in the semi final and in the final of the European Championships? That trophy they won which made it "their best period in footballing history"

That's right; Silva.

You're talking shite.
 
It's during their best period, during which Spain won the Euro with Silva as an ever present. I really don't get the point, and Riera has only made an appearance regularly in the squad since signing for us, which we've seen happen loads of times at International level with players. It seems you have to be playing for a big club to be recognised.
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927242#msg927242 date=1250609648]

Yeah, OK, I admit, you're right.

60 mil for Silva, Johnson and Aquliani and the title's ours. Can't wait.



[/quote]

Yeah because that's what he was saying.. Oh wait, no he just said that Silva was better than Riera, Riera a player who's at his peak and has only just been recognised by a big club at 27 years of age. Whereas Silva is 23 and is universally recognised as a big up and coming talent.

I've got my reservations too, it's potential over a player who's proven to be a steady lad at premiership level, but he's never going to be more than that, the possibility is there with Silva for him to be a top established player for years to come.

Ideally Silva and Riera would be fighting it our though for a first team place for us.
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927236#msg927236 date=1250609099]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35290.msg927223#msg927223 date=1250608253]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927217#msg927217 date=1250607897]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35290.msg927211#msg927211 date=1250607684]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927188#msg927188 date=1250606584]
[quote author=Mystic link=topic=35290.msg927186#msg927186 date=1250606232]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927180#msg927180 date=1250605790]
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=35290.msg926942#msg926942 date=1250583972]
If Riera was fit and wanting to play, someone wants fucking

regards
[/quote]

I'd agree with that 100%. If Riera was fit and ready, why suffer Babel?

This thread has depressed me.

Between Johnson 18M, Aquilani 20M and Silva 20+M we could end up sending 60M this summer and not really improving the team.


[/quote]

If you don't think Johnson and Silva would be improvements then your silly. Johnson will prove a great signing, and Silva would be like an even better version of Benayoun. Aqualiani for Alonso is debatable. Clearly most of us would rather have kept Alonso, however if Aqua can get fit, stay fit, he might even end up being an improvement too.
[/quote]

I'm not silly. I'm remarkably astute.

Johnson is an improvement on Arbeloa. Granted. Aquliani is certainly not an improvement on Alsono until proven otherwise, and most likely never. Silva is not an improvement on Riera as (1) he is not a genuine winger and is replacing the only one we have at the club & (2) he's not even as good as Riera, full stop.

Alonso Masch
Kuyt Gerrard Riera
Torres

is better than

Aquilani Masch
Kuyt Gerrard Silva
Torres

because it's proven.

So, granted, Johnson is great but, 60 mil down the track, we have a better right back. Whoop de fuckin do.





[/quote]

But we don't play with genuine wingers, not since Rafa's gone 4-2-3-1 anyway. Instead we have flexible, attacking midfielders who take up good positions between the lines and have the ability to go either way, with the emphasis on the fullbacks providing the width.

I think Riera's done a good job at filling in last year, and I like him as a player, but Silva possesses more quality and is better suited to the system.

As for whether we've improved or not, I think the best we can hope for is we've done is stayed the same; providing we get luck with injuries this should be enough to present a decent title challenge and hopefully bring the title home in May.
[/quote]

1. "I think Riera's done a good job at filling in last year, and I like him as a player, but Silva possesses more quality and is better suited to the system."

No offence but how do you justify that?

2. "As for whether we've improved or not, I think the best we can hope for is we've done is stayed the same".

We'll have spent 60 million.



[/quote]

1. Because I like Valencia and I've admired Silva for some time. I wanted him for the last two summers, and I still want him now; he's a fantastic talent with bags of potential and is ready to step up to a bigger European club. And when fit, he's also first choice over Riera in the Spanish national team.

2. I'm not sure if you're being deliberately obtuse or not, but we have lost one of the best CM's in the world. Constant improvement may be demanded my some idiotic fans, but it's very difficult to do even at the best of times, and especially when someone so key to your system decides to leave. You can ramble on about "where's £60M" worth of improvement to your hearts content, but it doesn't work like that at all - especially when you completely ignore the context.
[/quote]

Silva's not first choice for Spain, I'm sick of this. Check
(a) how many games Del Bosque has been in charge
(b) how many Sliva has started (not many)
(c) how many he's been available for (most)
(d) how many Riera has started (virtually all)

I'm not saying that this is the be all and end all but, Del Bosque simply prefers Riera. Fit Silva or not.

During the best period in their footballing history.


[/quote]

Del Bosque has been manager for a year now, during the first three months of which David Silva was out with a back injury. He then got injured for another month in May meaning he was completely out of shape for the Confederations cup, as far as i can tell, Reira has only played 12 games in his entire career and despite all the injuries, I don't think Silva played much less than that during the last year. I'm afraid your wrong... again.
 
Well, we were 2nd last year by 4 points, we'll have spent 60 million, Silva is much better than Riera, Aquilani = Alonso, Johnson is much better than Arbeloa....

Why isn't it happening?
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927250#msg927250 date=1250610156]

Well, we were 2nd last year by 4 points, we'll have spent 60 million, Silva is much better than Riera, Aquilani = Alonso, Johnson is much better than Arbeloa....

Why isn't it happening?


[/quote]

Whys isn't what happening? Silva? Challenging for the title after one game?
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927250#msg927250 date=1250610156]

Well, we were 2nd last year by 4 points, we'll have spent 60 million, Silva is much better than Riera, Aquilani = Alonso, Johnson is much better than Arbeloa....

Why isn't it happening?


[/quote]

IF we sell everyone in the squad then spend half that money to buy back another squad we could say "We'll have spent £150 million why aren't we winning the title" use your fucking head. We're REPLACING players in your example, not adding new ones.
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927253#msg927253 date=1250610438]

I'll leave it, you guys know more about footy than me.
[/quote]

Oh stop sulking. Don't pull the sarcastic modesty line.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=35290.msg927247#msg927247 date=1250610027]
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927242#msg927242 date=1250609648]

Yeah, OK, I admit, you're right.

60 mil for Silva, Johnson and Aquliani and the title's ours. Can't wait.



[/quote]

Yeah because that's what he was saying.. Oh wait, no he just said that Silva was better than Riera, Riera a player who's at his peak and has only just been recognised by a big club at 27 years of age. Whereas Silva is 23 and is universally recognised as a big up and coming talent.

I've got my reservations too, it's potential over a player who's proven to be a steady lad at premiership level, but he's never going to be more than that, the possibility is there with Silva for him to be a top established player for years to come.

Ideally Silva and Riera would be fighting it our though for a first team place for us.
[/quote]


Summed up nicely.
 
[quote author=LarryHagman link=topic=35290.msg927253#msg927253 date=1250610438]

I'll leave it, you guys know more about footy than me.


[/quote]

That's pathetic Larry, you're coming off a bit mental here.
 
[quote author=LarryHagman]

I'm not silly. I'm remarkably astute.

Johnson is an improvement on Arbeloa. Granted. Aquliani is certainly not an improvement on Alsono until proven otherwise, and most likely never. Silva is not an improvement on Riera as (1) he is not a genuine winger and is replacing the only one we have at the club & (2) he's not even as good as Riera, full stop.

Alonso Masch
Kuyt Gerrard Riera
Torres

is better than

Aquilani Masch
Kuyt Gerrard Silva
Torres

because it's proven.

So, granted, Johnson is great but, 60 mil down the track, we have a better right back. Whoop de fuckin do.

[/quote]

Fucking hell.

Well with that way of thinking, this would also be a rubbish team:

Ronaldo Masher Gerrard Messi
Torres Eto'o


Cos it's not 'proven'.

😱
 
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35290.msg927262#msg927262 date=1250610880]
[quote author=TheBunnyman link=topic=35290.msg927260#msg927260 date=1250610847]
Who shot JR?

[/quote]

Squiggs.
[/quote]

I'm not sure Mystic or Mark1975 have an alibi either.
 
[quote author=Hooz link=topic=35290.msg927268#msg927268 date=1250611227]
All these wet pants because Barcelona might need to fill in a few gaps.

Nice work TheBastardMan.
[/quote]

Ah come on Hooz. You can do better than that.
 
Rafa has denied reports linking Riera with a move to Spain.
One would imagine that given the (now) apparant lack of funds, any plans to sell anyone, including Dossena and Voronin would be shelved.
There would be no justification for these sales, or indeed N'gog on loan given that non of it would give us the funds needed to buy a top player. Not to mention that we could sell them then the owners could decide to move the goalposts again and keep the cash.
Cavalieri/Reina

Dossena/Insua/Aurelio

Carra/Skrtel/Agger/?

Johnson/Degen

Aquilani/Lucas/Mascherano

Gerrard/Yossi

Babel/Riera

Kuyt/El Zhar

Torres/Voronin/N'gog.
 
arguing the merits of silva is like arguing the merits of messi, the outcome of the argument is pretty irrelavant because the player isn't going to join us.
 
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