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spin? wtf are you blathering about? i made a truthful if provocative statement, and was big enough to admit it - yeah, real fucking 'dark arts' stuff there.
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[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42529.msg1209828#msg1209828 date=1288649900]
spin? wtf are you blathering about? i made a truthful if provocative statement, and was big enough to admit it - yeah, real fucking 'dark arts' stuff there.
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You've accused me of being a fucking hypocrite, when the only one here is you.
'Truthful if provocative'.
What does that even mean?
spin? wtf are you blathering about? i made a truthful if provocative statement, and was big enough to admit it - yeah, real fucking 'dark arts' stuff there.
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You've accused me of being a fucking hypocrite, when the only one here is you.
'Truthful if provocative'.
What does that even mean?
which part of it are you struggling with?
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42529.msg1209836#msg1209836 date=1288650381]
No matter.
You can go and fuck yourself, since those are the type of impersonal comments you seem to relish making.
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'going postal' - what does that even mean??!!
No matter.
You can go and fuck yourself, since those are the type of impersonal comments you seem to relish making.
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'going postal' - what does that even mean??!!
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42529.msg1209646#msg1209646 date=1288634695]
i fucking despise hodgson and want the old cunt out fucking now. he's a black cloud over the club; each victory a thunderstorm, each embarrassing defeat a sliver lining.
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That really is a cunt of a post
i fucking despise hodgson and want the old cunt out fucking now. he's a black cloud over the club; each victory a thunderstorm, each embarrassing defeat a sliver lining.
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That really is a cunt of a post
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Totally. SR is always bang on the money as far as I'm concerned.
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[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42529.msg1209836#msg1209836 date=1288650381]
No matter.
You can go and fuck yourself, since those are the type of impersonal comments you seem to relish making.
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'going postal' - what does that even mean??!!
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Which part of it were you struggling with, postalhague?
You accuse me of being a 'fucking hypocrite' with my Rafa comments; but on the very same day you pass off vicious comments of Hodgson made by you (far worse than anythnig I've said) as being 'provocative'.
If you weren't so sanctimonious and pugnacious, you'd see that it was a bit fucking hypocritical.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=42529.msg1209836#msg1209836 date=1288650381]
No matter.
You can go and fuck yourself, since those are the type of impersonal comments you seem to relish making.
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'going postal' - what does that even mean??!!
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Which part of it were you struggling with, postalhague?
You accuse me of being a 'fucking hypocrite' with my Rafa comments; but on the very same day you pass off vicious comments of Hodgson made by you (far worse than anythnig I've said) as being 'provocative'.
If you weren't so sanctimonious and pugnacious, you'd see that it was a bit fucking hypocritical.
i didn't accuse you of being a hypocrite for your comments about benitez. what i was getting a bit fucking sick of was your habit of cheaply trying to undermine 'our side' (i'll call it that because it's quick and easy) by suggesting that we're some sort of benitez-obsessed cult (rafatollah, rafa worshipper, rafa wankathon) given to constant hyperbolic praise that you're having to endure as peacably as possible. these are my objections to that:
1. we could just as easily call you rafa-haters or whatever, but i don't recall anyone sinking to that sort of caricature.
2. the habit of name-calling is itself provocative, and bound to start and exacerbate these arguments.
3. these arguments are far more commonly started by 'your side' criticising benitez with us then reacting than vice versa. given that, i think it's a bit rich for you to witheringly and condescendingly moan about our posts littering and spoiling the forum, when it's *at least* as much from your side.
4. you complain that all your posts on the subject are fair and balanced, and that people like me ignore them - honestly, that's exactly the complaint i'd have about my own posts. the very best i could say of your side is that you're no better than us. i don't know how many times i've spent ages giving considered answers to every point levelled at me only for them to be completely ignored.
basically i think that while you've every right to fight like cat and dog with us on the subject, it's hypocritical to try to imply, as i think you often do, that we're the unreasonable, unbalanced, aggressive ones, when you, and people like you, are at least as responsible for starting and sustaining the disagreements. fine, join in and give as good as you get, but don't try and complain about it and pretend that you're not just as big a part of the problem as anyone else. it's not just me - i saw neil post about how he was sick of being accused of highjacking threads when he merely reacts to others. i'm probably repeating myself by now, but essentially it's pretty exasperating to be having these arguments day-in-day-out and then to have one of the main protagonists absolve himself of any blame for the fights and ignore the seemingly obvious truth that every single time he's right in the thick the action, provoking and bickering with the best of them.
1. we could just as easily call you rafa-haters or whatever, but i don't recall anyone sinking to that sort of caricature.
2. the habit of name-calling is itself provocative, and bound to start and exacerbate these arguments.
3. these arguments are far more commonly started by 'your side' criticising benitez with us then reacting than vice versa. given that, i think it's a bit rich for you to witheringly and condescendingly moan about our posts littering and spoiling the forum, when it's *at least* as much from your side.
4. you complain that all your posts on the subject are fair and balanced, and that people like me ignore them - honestly, that's exactly the complaint i'd have about my own posts. the very best i could say of your side is that you're no better than us. i don't know how many times i've spent ages giving considered answers to every point levelled at me only for them to be completely ignored.
basically i think that while you've every right to fight like cat and dog with us on the subject, it's hypocritical to try to imply, as i think you often do, that we're the unreasonable, unbalanced, aggressive ones, when you, and people like you, are at least as responsible for starting and sustaining the disagreements. fine, join in and give as good as you get, but don't try and complain about it and pretend that you're not just as big a part of the problem as anyone else. it's not just me - i saw neil post about how he was sick of being accused of highjacking threads when he merely reacts to others. i'm probably repeating myself by now, but essentially it's pretty exasperating to be having these arguments day-in-day-out and then to have one of the main protagonists absolve himself of any blame for the fights and ignore the seemingly obvious truth that every single time he's right in the thick the action, provoking and bickering with the best of them.
[quote author=peterhague link=topic=42529.msg1209955#msg1209955 date=1288685680]
i didn't accuse you of being a hypocrite for your comments about benitez. what i was getting a bit fucking sick of was your habit of cheaply trying to undermine 'our side' (i'll call it that because it's quick and easy) by suggesting that we're some sort of benitez-obsessed cult (rafatollah, rafa worshipper, rafa wankathon) given to constant hyperbolic praise that you're having to endure as peacably as possible. these are my objections to that:
1. we could just as easily call you rafa-haters or whatever, but i don't recall anyone sinking to that sort of caricature.
2. the habit of name-calling is itself provocative, and bound to start and exacerbate these arguments.
3. these arguments are far more commonly started by 'your side' criticising benitez with us then reacting than vice versa. given that, i think it's a bit rich for you to witheringly and condescendingly moan about our posts littering and spoiling the forum, when it's *at least* as much from your side.
4. you complain that all your posts on the subject are fair and balanced, and that people like me ignore them - honestly, that's exactly the complaint i'd have about my own posts. the very best i could say of your side is that you're no better than us. i don't know how many times i've spent ages giving considered answers to every point levelled at me only for them to be completely ignored.
basically i think that while you've every right to fight like cat and dog with us on the subject, it's hypocritical to try to imply, as i think you often do, that we're the unreasonable, unbalanced, aggressive ones, when you, and people like you, are at least as responsible for starting and sustaining the disagreements. fine, join in and give as good as you get, but don't try and complain about it and pretend that you're not just as big a part of the problem as anyone else. it's not just me - i saw neil post about how he was sick of being accused of highjacking threads when he merely reacts to others. i'm probably repeating myself by now, but essentially it's pretty exasperating to be having these arguments day-in-day-out and then to have one of the main protagonists absolve himself of any blame for the fights and ignore the seemingly obvious truth that every single time he's right in the thick the action, provoking and bickering with the best of them.
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I don't have a side.
Whenever I've made post critical of Rafa, I'd say that 9 times out of ten it's in reply to a brainless or sarky post made by one of 'your side' as you put it.
'Endure as peacably as possible'.
I no longer know what you're talking about, postalhague.
I really don't care that there are so many people who are blind like you to Rafa's faults; what I did not like was your personal attack on me when I've never ever been a hypocrite.
Anyway, this thread has now turned into another Rafa thread, and is sure to cause more groans from other posters sick of this.
Which was why I started that thread, so that the Roy thread woiuld not turn into another Rafa thread.
1. I've been called Rafa-basher plenty of times, I don't mind that, mainly because I think I've been very fair in my posts concerning Rafa, something you scrupulously fail to see.
2.What name calling are you referring to?
Calling Hodgson an old cunt, like you just did like a fucking hypocrite?
3. I don't have a 'side'.
If you's actually read my posts, you'd see that I've been as critical of people calling Rafa a 'cunt' or 'fat waster' as often as I've been critical of 'your side'.
4. You perceive that you've made fair and balanced posts when the vast majority of the time all you is deflect the arguments to relate to points not even raised. The only person who thinks your posts are fair and balanced is you and 'your side'.
In any event, your comments in THIS thread have shown that your claim to be a fair and balanced poster is complete bullshit.
One final thing, please don't call bloody call someone a fucking hypocrite and then say you weren't being personal.
Cheers, postalhague.
i didn't accuse you of being a hypocrite for your comments about benitez. what i was getting a bit fucking sick of was your habit of cheaply trying to undermine 'our side' (i'll call it that because it's quick and easy) by suggesting that we're some sort of benitez-obsessed cult (rafatollah, rafa worshipper, rafa wankathon) given to constant hyperbolic praise that you're having to endure as peacably as possible. these are my objections to that:
1. we could just as easily call you rafa-haters or whatever, but i don't recall anyone sinking to that sort of caricature.
2. the habit of name-calling is itself provocative, and bound to start and exacerbate these arguments.
3. these arguments are far more commonly started by 'your side' criticising benitez with us then reacting than vice versa. given that, i think it's a bit rich for you to witheringly and condescendingly moan about our posts littering and spoiling the forum, when it's *at least* as much from your side.
4. you complain that all your posts on the subject are fair and balanced, and that people like me ignore them - honestly, that's exactly the complaint i'd have about my own posts. the very best i could say of your side is that you're no better than us. i don't know how many times i've spent ages giving considered answers to every point levelled at me only for them to be completely ignored.
basically i think that while you've every right to fight like cat and dog with us on the subject, it's hypocritical to try to imply, as i think you often do, that we're the unreasonable, unbalanced, aggressive ones, when you, and people like you, are at least as responsible for starting and sustaining the disagreements. fine, join in and give as good as you get, but don't try and complain about it and pretend that you're not just as big a part of the problem as anyone else. it's not just me - i saw neil post about how he was sick of being accused of highjacking threads when he merely reacts to others. i'm probably repeating myself by now, but essentially it's pretty exasperating to be having these arguments day-in-day-out and then to have one of the main protagonists absolve himself of any blame for the fights and ignore the seemingly obvious truth that every single time he's right in the thick the action, provoking and bickering with the best of them.
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I don't have a side.
Whenever I've made post critical of Rafa, I'd say that 9 times out of ten it's in reply to a brainless or sarky post made by one of 'your side' as you put it.
'Endure as peacably as possible'.
I no longer know what you're talking about, postalhague.
I really don't care that there are so many people who are blind like you to Rafa's faults; what I did not like was your personal attack on me when I've never ever been a hypocrite.
Anyway, this thread has now turned into another Rafa thread, and is sure to cause more groans from other posters sick of this.
Which was why I started that thread, so that the Roy thread woiuld not turn into another Rafa thread.
1. I've been called Rafa-basher plenty of times, I don't mind that, mainly because I think I've been very fair in my posts concerning Rafa, something you scrupulously fail to see.
2.What name calling are you referring to?
Calling Hodgson an old cunt, like you just did like a fucking hypocrite?
3. I don't have a 'side'.
If you's actually read my posts, you'd see that I've been as critical of people calling Rafa a 'cunt' or 'fat waster' as often as I've been critical of 'your side'.
4. You perceive that you've made fair and balanced posts when the vast majority of the time all you is deflect the arguments to relate to points not even raised. The only person who thinks your posts are fair and balanced is you and 'your side'.
In any event, your comments in THIS thread have shown that your claim to be a fair and balanced poster is complete bullshit.
One final thing, please don't call bloody call someone a fucking hypocrite and then say you weren't being personal.
Cheers, postalhague.
christ almighty, i thought i was probably wasting my time, but that was truly pathetic.
oh well. at least i obviously touched a nerve with the hypocrite remark! (which wasn't personal, by the way - it was my central objection to your conduct in those arguments, not you yourself. it wasn't gratuitous at all - 'postalhague', 'rafa-worshiper' etc are)
oh well. at least i obviously touched a nerve with the hypocrite remark! (which wasn't personal, by the way - it was my central objection to your conduct in those arguments, not you yourself. it wasn't gratuitous at all - 'postalhague', 'rafa-worshiper' etc are)
yep, really challenging that charge of puerility there avvy.
i was only joking with the hypocrite remark - i've been winding you up all along!
friends?
friends?
We both know you weren't joking, and that you weren't winding me up.
Your views on Hodgson here are also probably your honest views, despite your claims to (again) be on a wind-up.
But forget it, pete.
I'm not interested in this issue anymore, and I should have done this a long time ago.
Consider myself 'vanquished' by 'your side'.
Your views on Hodgson here are also probably your honest views, despite your claims to (again) be on a wind-up.
But forget it, pete.
I'm not interested in this issue anymore, and I should have done this a long time ago.
Consider myself 'vanquished' by 'your side'.
i thought you were ignoring me!
look, if you're that arsed about the hypocrite thing i take it back - i don't want to fall out with anyone really. but i hope you could at least see from my post above that it really wasn't meant to be gatuitously insulting/personal, but a genuine reaction to how i saw your behaviour.
and i think you misunderstood the 'our side' phrase - as i said, i just used that because it's a quick shorthand that more or less describes the situation, as opposed to having to be tortuously precise with things like 'those of us who are more generally positive towards rafa' or some such guff.
look, if you're that arsed about the hypocrite thing i take it back - i don't want to fall out with anyone really. but i hope you could at least see from my post above that it really wasn't meant to be gatuitously insulting/personal, but a genuine reaction to how i saw your behaviour.
and i think you misunderstood the 'our side' phrase - as i said, i just used that because it's a quick shorthand that more or less describes the situation, as opposed to having to be tortuously precise with things like 'those of us who are more generally positive towards rafa' or some such guff.
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