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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161644#msg1161644 date=1282729396]
I'd rather have arbeloa back and at left back than riise. now, arbeloa is a fullback I'm sad we released.
[/quote]You're fucking hopeless. Arbeloa had about 3 good games at LB and plenty of hopeless ones. He was a good right back mind you. Riise was part of one of our strongest defences ever for about 6 years, even with Westerveld, Dudek, Kirkland and the fucking likes in nets.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41588.msg1161650#msg1161650 date=1282729687] despite having that error shoved back in their faces
[/quote]

I don't think it was an error. Riise had been so poor that season, both at left back and left midfield when he was used in that role, I think supporters were entitled to expect that his replacement would be an improvement, whoever it was. Aurelio might have been better if injuries hadn't stopped him having a decent run in the team and adjusting to the physicality of the Premier League.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161644#msg1161644 date=1282729396]
I'd rather have arbeloa back and at left back than riise. now, arbeloa is a fullback I'm sad we released.
[/quote]

Yeah he played Messi well once didnt he? Blah Blah Blah. I also remember him being subbed from LB at half time because he was shit there. Have romantic dreams about him at RB if you will, but stop rewriting history and trying to make him a LB.
[/quote]

i really liked Alvaro - thought he was a terrific defender and very good going forward. He was very composed on the ball and happy to play anywhere..
Dont understand how someone wouldnt like him..
 
Aurelio would be better suited to water polo or some other gravitationally neutral sport. It's no good saying they could have been something, fitness is one of the attributes you need and he hasn't got it.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161644#msg1161644 date=1282729396]
I'd rather have arbeloa back and at left back than riise. now, arbeloa is a fullback I'm sad we released.
[/quote]You're fucking hopeless. Arbeloa had about 3 good games at LB and plenty of hopeless ones. He was a good right back mind you. Riise was part of one of our strongest defences ever for about 6 years, even with Westerveld, Dudek, Kirkland and the fucking likes in nets.
[/quote]

arbeloa was excellent at left back, not just good, excellent.
 
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[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41588.msg1161654#msg1161654 date=1282729772]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161644#msg1161644 date=1282729396]
I'd rather have arbeloa back and at left back than riise. now, arbeloa is a fullback I'm sad we released.
[/quote]

Yeah he played Messi well once didnt he? Blah Blah Blah. I also remember him being subbed from LB at half time because he was shit there. Have romantic dreams about him at RB if you will, but stop rewriting history and trying to make him a LB.
[/quote]

i really liked Alvaro - thought he was a terrific defender and very good going forward. He was very composed on the ball and happy to play anywhere..
Dont understand how someone wouldnt like him..
[/quote]

^^^
 
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41588.msg1161656#msg1161656 date=1282729837]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161644#msg1161644 date=1282729396]
I'd rather have arbeloa back and at left back than riise. now, arbeloa is a fullback I'm sad we released.
[/quote]You're fucking hopeless. Arbeloa had about 3 good games at LB and plenty of hopeless ones. He was a good right back mind you. Riise was part of one of our strongest defences ever for about 6 years, even with Westerveld, Dudek, Kirkland and the fucking likes in nets.
[/quote]

arbeloa was excellent at left back, not just good, excellent.
[/quote]

Yes, he played there so many times for us.
 
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=41588.msg1161661#msg1161661 date=1282730214]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41588.msg1161654#msg1161654 date=1282729772]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161644#msg1161644 date=1282729396]
I'd rather have arbeloa back and at left back than riise. now, arbeloa is a fullback I'm sad we released.
[/quote]

Yeah he played Messi well once didnt he? Blah Blah Blah. I also remember him being subbed from LB at half time because he was shit there. Have romantic dreams about him at RB if you will, but stop rewriting history and trying to make him a LB.
[/quote]

i really liked Alvaro - thought he was a terrific defender and very good going forward. He was very composed on the ball and happy to play anywhere..
Dont understand how someone wouldnt like him..
[/quote]

If you read my post you would see that I never said I didnt like him. In fact I did like him,but at RB. At LB he had a couple of good games and some shit ones. He was in NO way better than Riise at LB
 
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[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=41588.msg1161661#msg1161661 date=1282730214]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41588.msg1161654#msg1161654 date=1282729772]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161644#msg1161644 date=1282729396]
I'd rather have arbeloa back and at left back than riise. now, arbeloa is a fullback I'm sad we released.
[/quote]

Yeah he played Messi well once didnt he? Blah Blah Blah. I also remember him being subbed from LB at half time because he was shit there. Have romantic dreams about him at RB if you will, but stop rewriting history and trying to make him a LB.
[/quote]

i really liked Alvaro - thought he was a terrific defender and very good going forward. He was very composed on the ball and happy to play anywhere..
Dont understand how someone wouldnt like him..
[/quote]

If you read my post you would see that I never said I didnt like him. In fact I did like him,but at RB. At LB he had a couple of good games and some shit ones. He was in NO way better than Riise at LB
[/quote]

obviously at riise very best he is a far better fullback than arbeloa, what I'm saying is I'd rather have arbeloa back at the club 'right now' than riise, as the last time I saw riise in his final year I thought he was awful, whilst arbeloa would likely still be here if he didn't want to return to spain as it was his form that saw him sold.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161683#msg1161683 date=1282731177]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41588.msg1161678#msg1161678 date=1282730960]
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=41588.msg1161661#msg1161661 date=1282730214]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41588.msg1161654#msg1161654 date=1282729772]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161644#msg1161644 date=1282729396]
I'd rather have arbeloa back and at left back than riise. now, arbeloa is a fullback I'm sad we released.
[/quote]

Yeah he played Messi well once didnt he? Blah Blah Blah. I also remember him being subbed from LB at half time because he was shit there. Have romantic dreams about him at RB if you will, but stop rewriting history and trying to make him a LB.
[/quote]

i really liked Alvaro - thought he was a terrific defender and very good going forward. He was very composed on the ball and happy to play anywhere..
Dont understand how someone wouldnt like him..
[/quote]

If you read my post you would see that I never said I didnt like him. In fact I did like him,but at RB. At LB he had a couple of good games and some shit ones. He was in NO way better than Riise at LB
[/quote]

obviously at riise very best he is a far better fullback than arbeloa, what I'm saying is I'd rather have arbeloa back at the club 'right now' than riise, as the last time I saw riise in his final year I thought he was awful, whilst arbeloa would likely still be here if he didn't want to return to spain as it was his form that saw him sold.
[/quote]

I don't have time today.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161683#msg1161683 date=1282731177]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41588.msg1161678#msg1161678 date=1282730960]
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=41588.msg1161661#msg1161661 date=1282730214]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41588.msg1161654#msg1161654 date=1282729772]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161644#msg1161644 date=1282729396]
I'd rather have arbeloa back and at left back than riise. now, arbeloa is a fullback I'm sad we released.
[/quote]

Yeah he played Messi well once didnt he? Blah Blah Blah. I also remember him being subbed from LB at half time because he was shit there. Have romantic dreams about him at RB if you will, but stop rewriting history and trying to make him a LB.
[/quote]

i really liked Alvaro - thought he was a terrific defender and very good going forward. He was very composed on the ball and happy to play anywhere..
Dont understand how someone wouldnt like him..
[/quote]

If you read my post you would see that I never said I didnt like him. In fact I did like him,but at RB. At LB he had a couple of good games and some shit ones. He was in NO way better than Riise at LB
[/quote]

obviously at riise very best he is a far better fullback than arbeloa, what I'm saying is I'd rather have arbeloa back at the club 'right now' than riise, as the last time I saw riise in his final year I thought he was awful, whilst arbeloa would likely still be here if he didn't want to return to spain as it was his form that saw him sold.
[/quote]so to clarify. Given the choice you wouldn't take the fullback who at his best was 'far better' and who loved the club and country. You'd take the less good option who didn't want to be here?
Like I said. Fucking hopeless.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161665#msg1161665 date=1282730291]
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41588.msg1161656#msg1161656 date=1282729837]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161644#msg1161644 date=1282729396]
I'd rather have arbeloa back and at left back than riise. now, arbeloa is a fullback I'm sad we released.
[/quote]You're fucking hopeless. Arbeloa had about 3 good games at LB and plenty of hopeless ones. He was a good right back mind you. Riise was part of one of our strongest defences ever for about 6 years, even with Westerveld, Dudek, Kirkland and the fucking likes in nets.
[/quote]

arbeloa was excellent at left back, not just good, excellent.
[/quote]

Neil he has played 10 times the number of games at LB at Réal that he did for us, yet I still wouldn't say he is better than adequate in that roll. You wan't a LB, get a bloody LB not an ok RB masquerading as one.
 
Spider has one of these melt-downs every other month.

*remembers the epic fucking Petit/ Vieira/ Holding player physique car-crash*
 
[quote author=Wilko link=topic=41588.msg1161684#msg1161684 date=1282731400]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161683#msg1161683 date=1282731177]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41588.msg1161678#msg1161678 date=1282730960]
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=41588.msg1161661#msg1161661 date=1282730214]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41588.msg1161654#msg1161654 date=1282729772]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161644#msg1161644 date=1282729396]
I'd rather have arbeloa back and at left back than riise. now, arbeloa is a fullback I'm sad we released.
[/quote]

Yeah he played Messi well once didnt he? Blah Blah Blah. I also remember him being subbed from LB at half time because he was shit there. Have romantic dreams about him at RB if you will, but stop rewriting history and trying to make him a LB.
[/quote]

i really liked Alvaro - thought he was a terrific defender and very good going forward. He was very composed on the ball and happy to play anywhere..
Dont understand how someone wouldnt like him..
[/quote]

If you read my post you would see that I never said I didnt like him. In fact I did like him,but at RB. At LB he had a couple of good games and some shit ones. He was in NO way better than Riise at LB
[/quote]

obviously at riise very best he is a far better fullback than arbeloa, what I'm saying is I'd rather have arbeloa back at the club 'right now' than riise, as the last time I saw riise in his final year I thought he was awful, whilst arbeloa would likely still be here if he didn't want to return to spain as it was his form that saw him sold.
[/quote]

I don't have time today.
[/quote]


You're right, actually.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41588.msg1161685#msg1161685 date=1282731420]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161683#msg1161683 date=1282731177]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41588.msg1161678#msg1161678 date=1282730960]
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=41588.msg1161661#msg1161661 date=1282730214]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41588.msg1161654#msg1161654 date=1282729772]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161644#msg1161644 date=1282729396]
I'd rather have arbeloa back and at left back than riise. now, arbeloa is a fullback I'm sad we released.
[/quote]

Yeah he played Messi well once didnt he? Blah Blah Blah. I also remember him being subbed from LB at half time because he was shit there. Have romantic dreams about him at RB if you will, but stop rewriting history and trying to make him a LB.
[/quote]

i really liked Alvaro - thought he was a terrific defender and very good going forward. He was very composed on the ball and happy to play anywhere..
Dont understand how someone wouldnt like him..
[/quote]

If you read my post you would see that I never said I didnt like him. In fact I did like him,but at RB. At LB he had a couple of good games and some shit ones. He was in NO way better than Riise at LB
[/quote]

obviously at riise very best he is a far better fullback than arbeloa, what I'm saying is I'd rather have arbeloa back at the club 'right now' than riise, as the last time I saw riise in his final year I thought he was awful, whilst arbeloa would likely still be here if he didn't want to return to spain as it was his form that saw him sold.
[/quote]so to clarify. Given the choice you wouldn't take the fullback who at his best was 'far better' and who loved the club and country. You'd take the less good option who didn't want to be here?
Like I said. Fucking hopeless.
[/quote]

I'm mostly concerned with a player's current level than how they've performed in the past. going by your criteria you'd have finnan over johnson as finnan's best (several seasons ago) is better than johnson's current level.
whatever...
 
[quote author=Portly link=topic=41588.msg1161660#msg1161660 date=1282730090]
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41588.msg1161650#msg1161650 date=1282729687] despite having that error shoved back in their faces
[/quote]

I don't think it was an error. Riise had been so poor that season, both at left back and left midfield when he was used in that role, I think supporters were entitled to expect that his replacement would be an improvement, whoever it was. Aurelio might have been better if injuries hadn't stopped him having a decent run in the team and adjusting to the physicality of the Premier League.
[/quote]

It was, because you only bin someone off when you know the replacement will be as good or better.

Arbeloa wanted to leave, so talking about whether he was a good LB or RB or keeper is pointless.

We sacked off Riise for DOSSENA/AURELIO.

Riise has also had good seasons elsewhere since his terrible time with us, and whilst it is Serie A..I think his situation might have been likened to Alonso, who also had some bad months before becoming our best player.

Riise was sacked off and wasnt given the chance; which we only got with Alonso becase noone wanted to buy him at 16 million.
 
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[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41588.msg1161685#msg1161685 date=1282731420]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161683#msg1161683 date=1282731177]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41588.msg1161678#msg1161678 date=1282730960]
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=41588.msg1161661#msg1161661 date=1282730214]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41588.msg1161654#msg1161654 date=1282729772]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161644#msg1161644 date=1282729396]
I'd rather have arbeloa back and at left back than riise. now, arbeloa is a fullback I'm sad we released.
[/quote]

Yeah he played Messi well once didnt he? Blah Blah Blah. I also remember him being subbed from LB at half time because he was shit there. Have romantic dreams about him at RB if you will, but stop rewriting history and trying to make him a LB.
[/quote]

i really liked Alvaro - thought he was a terrific defender and very good going forward. He was very composed on the ball and happy to play anywhere..
Dont understand how someone wouldnt like him..
[/quote]

If you read my post you would see that I never said I didnt like him. In fact I did like him,but at RB. At LB he had a couple of good games and some shit ones. He was in NO way better than Riise at LB
[/quote]

obviously at riise very best he is a far better fullback than arbeloa, what I'm saying is I'd rather have arbeloa back at the club 'right now' than riise, as the last time I saw riise in his final year I thought he was awful, whilst arbeloa would likely still be here if he didn't want to return to spain as it was his form that saw him sold.
[/quote]so to clarify. Given the choice you wouldn't take the fullback who at his best was 'far better' and who loved the club and country. You'd take the less good option who didn't want to be here?
Like I said. Fucking hopeless.
[/quote]

I'm mostly concerned with a player's current level than how they've performed in the past. going by your criteria you'd have finnan over johnson as finnan's best (several seasons ago) is better than johnson's current level.
whatever...
[/quote]So you're just going to ignore the fact that Riise was in fact brilliant in the last year then? Course you are, you have what we in the trade know as 'an agenda'
Dress it up how you want, it's crap.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161695#msg1161695 date=1282732064]
anyone that would rather riise than arbeloa currently is fucking IN-SANE, I'll leave it there.
[/quote]

No, I'm just saying you're the kind of poster who can't accept when he's made a fool of and admit he was wrong.

I can, and have..although thankfully it's rare.

Arbeloa the converted LB.

Laughable.
 
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[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41588.msg1161678#msg1161678 date=1282730960]
[quote author=gareth_thomas link=topic=41588.msg1161661#msg1161661 date=1282730214]
[quote author=Jack D Rips link=topic=41588.msg1161654#msg1161654 date=1282729772]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161644#msg1161644 date=1282729396]
I'd rather have arbeloa back and at left back than riise. now, arbeloa is a fullback I'm sad we released.
[/quote]

Yeah he played Messi well once didnt he? Blah Blah Blah. I also remember him being subbed from LB at half time because he was shit there. Have romantic dreams about him at RB if you will, but stop rewriting history and trying to make him a LB.
[/quote]

i really liked Alvaro - thought he was a terrific defender and very good going forward. He was very composed on the ball and happy to play anywhere..
Dont understand how someone wouldnt like him..
[/quote]

If you read my post you would see that I never said I didnt like him. In fact I did like him,but at RB. At LB he had a couple of good games and some shit ones. He was in NO way better than Riise at LB
[/quote]

obviously at riise very best he is a far better fullback than arbeloa, what I'm saying is I'd rather have arbeloa back at the club 'right now' than riise, as the last time I saw riise in his final year I thought he was awful, whilst arbeloa would likely still be here if he didn't want to return to spain as it was his form that saw him sold.
[/quote]

I don't have time today.
[/quote]

I thought you were at a meeting.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41588.msg1161701#msg1161701 date=1282732255]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161695#msg1161695 date=1282732064]
anyone that would rather riise than arbeloa currently is fucking IN-SANE, I'll leave it there.
[/quote]

No, I'm just saying you're the kind of poster who can't accept when he's made a fool of and admit he was wrong.

I can, and have..although thankfully it's rare.

Arbeloa the converted LB.

Laughable.
[/quote]

I say what I see and arbeloa in his last season here was solid and dependable, whilst riise was all over the fucking place in his final season with the cherry on the cake being the own goal in the CL. I also saw arbeloa last season for real and he was pretty good for them as well. arbeloa 'right now' would walk into our back line.
 
Riise in form > Riise at Roma > Arbeloa at RB > Riise off form > Arbeloa at LB > Arbeloa off form and geting clocked by Carra

O say can you see.

ANd enough about the fucking own goal.

That's why you seem to have an agenda, Neil..even though you probably don't.
 
Here Neil, at least make it that bit easier;

spade.jpg
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41588.msg1161721#msg1161721 date=1282732915]

Riise in form > Riise at Roma > Arbeloa at RB > Riise off form > Arbeloa at LB > Arbeloa off form and geting clocked by Carra

O say can you see.

ANd enough about the fucking own goal.

That's why you seem to have an agenda, Neil..even though you probably don't.
[/quote]

okay, I will conceed the point that I haven't seen riise at roma and I 'have' seen arbeloa at real.
 
Riise has been very good for Roma.

Their fans love him and regard him as a bargain.

Just like we did.
 
The argument was won when Dossena arrived.

But you're right, no point harping on it since the 'yesdossenaandaurelioweremoreshitthanriisebutriisewasshitterthanarbeloaatLB' and 'dossenawasmagicagainstRM' movements will never fade.
 
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[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41588.msg1161701#msg1161701 date=1282732255]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161695#msg1161695 date=1282732064]
anyone that would rather riise than arbeloa currently is fucking IN-SANE, I'll leave it there.
[/quote]

No, I'm just saying you're the kind of poster who can't accept when he's made a fool of and admit he was wrong.

I can, and have..although thankfully it's rare.

Arbeloa the converted LB.

Laughable.
[/quote]

I say what I see and arbeloa in his last season here was solid and dependable, whilst riise was all over the fucking place in his final season with the cherry on the cake being the own goal in the CL. I also saw arbeloa last season for real and he was pretty good for them as well. arbeloa 'right now' would walk into our back line.
[/quote]You're not really here for the hunting are you....
 
When I said hat I don't think I can take this anymore, I didn't mean Spider Neil's posts, I meant being linked with people like Konchesky.

Btw, Luke Young played a stormer at the weekend.
 
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