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[quote author=Portly link=topic=41588.msg1161543#msg1161543 date=1282724098]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41588.msg1161528#msg1161528 date=1282723767]
Given that Riise is better than Konchesky, why is it laughable?
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I think you have a mental image of JAR that doesn't match the reality. In his last season with LFC he was awful. His defending was shambolic and he didn't score a single goal.
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You think what now?

Riise was often derided by Liverpool fans, but I don't remember us getting raped consistently down the left flank whilst he was here. It's true that his last season for us wasn't his best, but all in all his spell here can be considered a success and he's since gone onto be successful at another top club who challenged treble winners Inter for the Scudetto right down to the wire.

I think it's you that has a mental image of him that doesn't match the reality. But then, he's not a gool 'ol solid no nonsense English defender with Prem experience, is he?
 
You think what now?

Riise was often derided by Liverpool fans, but I don't remember us getting raped consistently down the left flank whilst he was here. It's true that his last season for us wasn't his best, but all in all his spell here can be considered a success and he's since gone onto be successful at another top club who challenged treble winners Inter for the Scudetto right down to the wire.

I think it's you that has a mental image of him that doesn't match the reality. But then, he's not a gool 'ol solid no nonsense English defender with Prem experience, is he?
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Everyone was delighted when he left, I seem to recall. And then claimed we should give Dossena a chance. Then it was Insua. When it was obvious to some of us that Riise was twice as good as both.
 
Riise was one of Romas most consistent performers last season, scored some goals and is loved by the fans. There is a reason for that, he's a very good player.

Shame he isn't here, as he would have gotten a new start under Roy.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41588.msg1161554#msg1161554 date=1282724470]
You think what now?

Riise was often derided by Liverpool fans, but I don't remember us getting raped consistently down the left flank whilst he was here. It's true that his last season for us wasn't his best, but all in all his spell here can be considered a success and he's since gone onto be successful at another top club who challenged treble winners Inter for the Scudetto right down to the wire.

I think it's you that has a mental image of him that doesn't match the reality. But then, he's not a gool 'ol solid no nonsense English defender with Prem experience, is he?
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Everyone was delighted when he left, I seem to recall. And then claimed we should give Dossena a chance. Then it was Insua. When it was obvious to some of us that Riise was twice as good as both.
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What if the same happens after Lucas leaves? 😉
 
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[quote author=LeTallecWiz link=topic=41588.msg1161517#msg1161517 date=1282723541]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41588.msg1161506#msg1161506 date=1282722911]
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[quote author=Hansern link=topic=41588.msg1161487#msg1161487 date=1282721955]
Watched Fulham - Scum at the weekend, and Konchesky is a very solid defender. You know what you get, and with the position we're in at the moment, thats exactly what we need. When we finally get some money, Konchesky will be a good back up for a better player. Aurelio's pay as you play contract can then be ripped to pieces.

Anyone remember the last defender we bought from Fulham? He did alright..
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That's the spirit!

I wonder if Brendan rated Finnan.
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I did, because he was the best full-back in the Premiership when playing for Fulham. I tend to spot these things.
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Ok - so spot this one. What do you prefer:

1) Aurelio, backed up by Insua & Agger
2) Konchesky, backed up by Aurelio & Agger

Please submit your answer no later than 9:15am GMT

* Please note, I don't rate Konchesky highly but we cannot go into the next few months with scenario 1 in my opinion.
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Option 3: buy a good young left-back
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Ok - 1) who have you got in mind 2) with what money?
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41588.msg1161552#msg1161552 date=1282724347]
[quote author=Portly link=topic=41588.msg1161543#msg1161543 date=1282724098]
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41588.msg1161528#msg1161528 date=1282723767]
Given that Riise is better than Konchesky, why is it laughable?
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I think you have a mental image of JAR that doesn't match the reality. In his last season with LFC he was awful. His defending was shambolic and he didn't score a single goal.
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You think what now?

Riise was often derided by Liverpool fans, but I don't remember us getting raped consistently down the left flank whilst he was here. It's true that his last season for us wasn't his best, but all in all his spell here can be considered a success and he's since gone onto be successful at another top club who challenged treble winners Inter for the Scudetto right down to the wire.

I think it's you that has a mental image of him that doesn't match the reality. But then, he's not a gool 'ol solid no nonsense English defender with Prem experience, is he?
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Personally I think it's somewhere in between Keni. Riise was always one of my favourite players, he was versatile, capable of scoring goals and alot better a defender than many gave him credit for. He did decline over his last 18 months or so here, though he has had a good season or two in Italy. That said, lets not forget that the slower tempo of the Italian game may suit him better now age isn't on his side and a return to the Premiership could see the form from his last season here return. I'm not saying it would, but I think you're both judging him based on a few if's and but's, being whether he could either regain the form from his earlier Liverpool years, or transfer the form he's shown for Roma. It's not a given that he'd be a success again, but it'd be interesting to see none the less.
 
How far have we fallen when we're arguing who is the best between Riise, Dossena and Insua?

They are all shit second raters.

Konchesky will join the ranks.
 
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=41588.msg1161561#msg1161561 date=1282724782]
How far have we fallen when we're arguing who is the best between Riise, Dossena and Insua?

They are all shit second raters.

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Riise isn't a 'shit second rater', behave.

And Brendan, what's all this bollocks about everyone wanting Riise to leave? I didn't for starters.
 
I'm not suggesting we should resign Riise for one second Mark. I'm just reacting to someone advocating Konchesky on the one hand and ridiculing a move for Riise on the other. It's fucking ridiculous.
 
[quote author=jexykrodic link=topic=41588.msg1161561#msg1161561 date=1282724782]
How far have we fallen when we're arguing who is the best between Riise, Dossena and Insua?

They are all shit second raters.

Konchesky will join the ranks.
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+1

There are people on here who still hopes for Babel to step up, we are still playing Lucas as cm and field N´Gog as it would be a good idea...that´s how far we have fallen.
 
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[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161480#msg1161480 date=1282721419]
Liverpool are believed to be prepared to pay up to £3.5million to land Konchesky as Hodgson looks to finalise his rebuilding plans at the club.
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rebuilding? into what?
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Neil, give the fucking guy a chance! He's had 5 games and little money so he's hardly able or likely to do a Mancini. If he had £30m to spend and was going after Konchesky, then there would be questions. But we don't have £30m to spend.

This is the reality we face, whether we like it or not.[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41588.msg1161484#msg1161484 date=1282721628]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161480#msg1161480 date=1282721419]
Liverpool are believed to be prepared to pay up to £3.5million to land Konchesky as Hodgson looks to finalise his rebuilding plans at the club.
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rebuilding? into what?
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A mid-table side. Stands to reason, really. He's a mid-table manager.
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With Championship finances....
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League 2 more like.
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41588.msg1161554#msg1161554 date=1282724470]
You think what now?

Riise was often derided by Liverpool fans, but I don't remember us getting raped consistently down the left flank whilst he was here. It's true that his last season for us wasn't his best, but all in all his spell here can be considered a success and he's since gone onto be successful at another top club who challenged treble winners Inter for the Scudetto right down to the wire.

I think it's you that has a mental image of him that doesn't match the reality. But then, he's not a gool 'ol solid no nonsense English defender with Prem experience, is he?
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Everyone was delighted when he left, I seem to recall. And then claimed we should give Dossena a chance. Then it was Insua. When it was obvious to some of us that Riise was twice as good as both.
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No, they weren't.

Because the idea of selling Riise and buying an unknown Italian defender from Udinese for TWICE what we sold Riise for was, is, and until kingdom come be deemed monumentally fucking stupid.

I'd be glad if there were't any replies along the lines of 'justbecausedossenaandinsuaweremoreshitthanriisedoesntmakeriisenotshit', thanks..
 
This just illustrates how far we have fallen when we're chasing Paul Knochesky. Yay another good news day !!
 
To be fair, Konchesky is a decent crosser, which might prove useful if Torres ever gets round to regaining his form.
 
I think people are seeing Riise through rose-tinted spectacles, recalling the glory days when he was in his prime. The fact that Dossena was such a flop shows how more difficult the Premier League is for defenders than Serie 'A'.

At the same time they have a down on Konchesky because he plays for Fulham which is perceived as in inferior club.
 
Konchesky found his level at Fulham. I'd like to say he's not good enough to play for us but when you have a look around, he blatantly is. Signings like these are an acceptance of our position as a second tier team. Depressing really.
 
If I were asked to name good young centre backs and right backs from the lower divisions I could name plenty but I'm struggling to think of one decent left back prospect - maybe Tom Kennedy of Leicester but he hasn't even broken into the Leicester team yet after signing from Rochdale!

*Depressed*
 
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=41588.msg1161554#msg1161554 date=1282724470]
You think what now?

Riise was often derided by Liverpool fans, but I don't remember us getting raped consistently down the left flank whilst he was here. It's true that his last season for us wasn't his best, but all in all his spell here can be considered a success and he's since gone onto be successful at another top club who challenged treble winners Inter for the Scudetto right down to the wire.

I think it's you that has a mental image of him that doesn't match the reality. But then, he's not a gool 'ol solid no nonsense English defender with Prem experience, is he?
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Everyone was delighted when he left, I seem to recall. And then claimed we should give Dossena a chance. Then it was Insua. When it was obvious to some of us that Riise was twice as good as both.
[/quote]I was gutted when Riise left. Totally fucking gutted.
 
I was gutted when Riise left. Totally fucking gutted.
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I don't think I was gutted as such. Certainly I was one of JAR's more vocal fans on here and TLW, but he did have a bad season, and I was still at that optimistic and trusting phase of my relationship with Benitez and Liverpool, in that I assumed that if they were letting him go, and bringing in Dossena, Doss must be a really good player and maybe someone had watched him play a few times.

Silly, silly Brendan
 
Did someone one day put anti-Riise pills in the Carlsberg piss at Anfield? One day he was ace, the next every neanderthal motherfucker in the ground was blaming him for Piers Morgan. There was a lot of Riise hate that last season, and I didn't get it. OK he wasn't the best at covering nippy wingers - but who is? We defo haven't had better since.

Anyways, I reckon Brendan is right on this one. If Masch out and Konchesky in is today's bizz I'm off to nail a bottle of Jagermeister
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161621#msg1161621 date=1282728318]
riise was in a definate slump when he left, the best his replacements are proving no better doesn't change that.

[/quote]Horseshit. It proves that most Liverpool fans don't know a good thing when they have it. In the course of 3 seasons Riise played at LB or LM alongside Traore, Carragher, Aurelio, Gonzales, Zenden, Garcia, Kewell, Le Tallec, Voronin, Gerrard, Warnock and probably about 6 other fuckers who I can't remember and year in year out he performed brilliantly. He wasn't amazing by any stretch in his last year but was still part of a formidable defence and still gave his all for us. There's a reason why people remember the 'Beckham - Neville' 'cole - pires' 'cole - Malouda' partnerships, it's because they play game in game out together and instinctively know how the other will react, Riise was never afforded that luxury and was still our best left back in 20 years.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=41588.msg1161639#msg1161639 date=1282729156]
and was still our best left back in 20 years.
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to be fair that wasn't difficult to achieve.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161621#msg1161621 date=1282728318]
riise was in a definate slump when he left, the best his replacements are proving no better doesn't change that.

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Right,neil.

You go on believing that.
 
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41588.msg1161643#msg1161643 date=1282729351]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161621#msg1161621 date=1282728318]
riise was in a definate slump when he left, the best his replacements are proving no better doesn't change that.

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Right,neil.

You go on believing that.
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I'm saying the people currently at left back are performing worse than riise when riise was in a slump in his final year, do you disagree with this?
 
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[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41588.msg1161643#msg1161643 date=1282729351]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161621#msg1161621 date=1282728318]
riise was in a definate slump when he left, the best his replacements are proving no better doesn't change that.

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Right,neil.

You go on believing that.
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I'm saying the people currently at left back are performing worse than riise when riise was in a slump in his final year, do you disagree with this?
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I would, but that isnt exactly what you're saying, is it?

Unless you equate 'no better' with 'worse'

Oncy is bang on here; all the Risse haters were ecstatic when he got binned off..and despite having that error shoved back in their faces can still come back and say they'd rather have Arbeloa at LB.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41588.msg1161644#msg1161644 date=1282729396]
I'd rather have arbeloa back and at left back than riise. now, arbeloa is a fullback I'm sad we released.
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Yeah he played Messi well once didnt he? Blah Blah Blah. I also remember him being subbed from LB at half time because he was shit there. Have romantic dreams about him at RB if you will, but stop rewriting history and trying to make him a LB.
 
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