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[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41624.msg1164963#msg1164963 date=1283029235]
Fuck Barca.
I can't believe I'm saying this,but I hope Real smashes them
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Yah, I normally hate Madrid, not to mention Mourinho but fuck that. I hope they humble Barcelona
Fuck Barca.
I can't believe I'm saying this,but I hope Real smashes them
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Yah, I normally hate Madrid, not to mention Mourinho but fuck that. I hope they humble Barcelona
Me too. I'll be really cheering for Madrid.
I would anyway. I fucking hate Barcelona.
I have always wanted Barca to lose because of all the "they're my second team because the play good football" shit. Bollocks to them.
[quote author=keniget link=topic=41624.msg1164971#msg1164971 date=1283030293]
Fuck Real.
I'll still be cheering for Barca.
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Agreed with this and your last post keni. Gutted he has gone but he wanted it and really most foreign international players would want to play for barca or real over any team in the prem let alone a team really struggling at the moment
Fuck Real.
I'll still be cheering for Barca.
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Agreed with this and your last post keni. Gutted he has gone but he wanted it and really most foreign international players would want to play for barca or real over any team in the prem let alone a team really struggling at the moment
[quote author=Vlads Quiff link=topic=41624.msg1164861#msg1164861 date=1283017531]
I was his biggest fan, but the manner of his leaving and the refusal to play left a sour taste in my mouth, that I really can't forgive him for.
Not only did he make up the shortfall himself , he took less than we were offering as a wage, we can call him many things , but greedy does not seem to be one of them
regards
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I don't boo players myself just not into that type of stuff. I'll just probably ignore him. That'll come as a devastating blow to him I'm sure.
I was his biggest fan, but the manner of his leaving and the refusal to play left a sour taste in my mouth, that I really can't forgive him for.
Not only did he make up the shortfall himself , he took less than we were offering as a wage, we can call him many things , but greedy does not seem to be one of them
regards
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I don't boo players myself just not into that type of stuff. I'll just probably ignore him. That'll come as a devastating blow to him I'm sure.
Agreed. Disdain is so much better than booing
a different perspective.....................
Mascherano paying the price for happiness
Posted on August 28th, 2010 by Jim Boardman
Liverpool midfielder Javier Mascherano arrived in Barcelona at lunchtime today as he moved a step closer to setting up home in a country where he hopes his wife will be happy and where in turn he will be able to finally enjoy something approaching normal family life.
His desperation to see his family happy has, according to reports in Spain, personally cost him over €3m.
He’ll be unveiled to fans on Monday, subject to passing a medical.
Javier Mascherano arrives at BarcelonaMascherano played a vital role for Liverpool during his three and a half years at the club. Although he started last season with his mind clearly on other issues he has on the whole been treated as a hero by most supporters since he arrived at Anfield, initially on loan, in 2007.
But no matter how he felt about his time on the pitch it was his home life that was troubling him of late. He was desperately unhappy that he was unable to spend a great deal of time with his wife or young family after his wife had been unable to settle in the country. She spent a lot of time back in Argentina and it was clearly not the kind of situation that can go on without causing lasting problems for all concerned. It’s understandable he was looking for a move.
On his arrival in Barcelona today his words explained so much about how relieved he felt to be this close to the start of a new stage in his family and career life: “It’s a dream, a great joy. It is a pride for me and my family to take this step forward in my career.â€
Despite his unhappiness and his desire to see an end to those personal problems his professionalism against Arsenal in his only game for Liverpool this season was obvious. And any doubts fans might have had that his reasons for leaving related to any kind of grudge against the club or its staff should have been dispelled by his comments whilst on duty in Ireland for Argentina. He had nothing but respect for Liverpool FC and its fans, but personal pressures meant he had to move on.
But it seems Liverpool’s new manager doesn’t do empathy. Sending Mascherano on his way to Spain with a blast in the ear the increasingly prickly Roy Hodgson branded him as “selfishâ€.
Rumours from the club on Monday suggested Mascherano had refused to play against Manchester City. Some of those rumours also gave Hodgson a partial excuse for the embarrassing 3-0 defeat by adding that Mascherano’s alleged impromptu strike action had forced the manager to change his tactics at the eleventh hour.
But sources close to the Argentine captain reportedly denied he’d refused to play, insisting the decision to leave him out of the clash had already been taken on the Saturday, two days before the game, by a manager who was concerned about his state of mind. That gave Hodgson ample time to prepare his side. The club are yet to confirm in any official capacity that he refused to play.
The failure of the club to set a deadline for Mascherano to leave without it eating too far into the league season is as much to blame for any hostility as anything Mascherano himself has done. By the time Liverpool faced City there were only 8 days left to go until the closure of the window. Mascherano had picked up a knock against Arsenal and must have known there was a good chance of picking up an injury sufficient to rule him out of any medical for a new club in the days that remained.
For someone who saw that move as such a key stage in his life, let alone career, it’s understandable if he was reluctant.
Hodgson sounded like the manager of a club from the bottom half of the table trying to bump up the price of their only good player as he explained why Mascherano missed Monday’s defeat, saying he “is not in the right frame of mind to play the game because his head has obviously been turned by the offer from Barcelona.†He said that unless the fee offered by Barcelona was upped to meet Liverpool’s valuation Mascherano “might be unhappy for a long time to come.â€
But Roy isn’t even taking part in transfer negotiations, as he admitted himself: “I don’t really want to get involved in it. The discussions between Barcelona and the club are being held at high club level and as a result I don’t want to start saying things which may or may not be true. I have no wish to create headlines over the Mascherano situation.â€
As the week went on Hodgson had perhaps been briefed by his management on how the negotiations were progressing and the new manager decided to go on the attack against the Argentine: “It’s not easy to defend his actions. Professionals are paid to play and, when called upon to do so they should.
“I don’t think players mean it as a challenge to your authority or the club’s, but it’s a selfish situation where they want to do something and then expect the club and me to bow down and accept they are going to get their way.â€
The manager was talking tough yet he knew this player wanted out and why he wanted out. But he was on a roll: “Players must also understand when you sign contracts, you do so to play. If the club decides it’s going to accept an offer for you and let you go, then that’s one thing. If the club say, ‘You have a contract; we’re not selling,’ then therefore they are staying.â€
But that’s not what Mascherano was told. He was told Liverpool were selling, as long as the right bid came in. And Roy contradicted himself to a certain degree when he admitted he’d not taken the player to Turkey during the week in case it scuppered the transfer.
“Javier’s not here because the negotiations are ongoing between the two clubs,†Hodgson confirmed. “I wouldn’t say he has played his last game for the club but if he played here it might prejudice the transfer and I don’t wish to do anything like that.â€
Mascherano described as 'selfish' despit spending millions to see family happyMascherano being cup-tied in Europe until Christmas may well prejudice the transfer, but so would an injury that left him unable to undergo a medical for a new club before the closure of the window. It seems odd that the manager was willing to refer to Mascherano as “selfish†for missing Monday’s game yet left him out of Thursday’s squad for what boils down to the same reason.
Hodgson was very dismissive on Thursday night when he described an offer from Inter Milan: “I saw a fax the other day [from Inter Milan’s sporting director Marco Branca] but I think it was sent tongue-in-cheek. The offer was so unbelievably far from our valuation it seemed to me he was putting the fax in to maybe satisfy people at the club. We didn’t even bother to answer it – that’s how ridiculously far from a serious offer it was.â€
But as Roy and his Europa League squad travelled to Turkey there would be further offers from Branca on behalf of Inter, going against assurances Hodgson claimed he’d been given by his old boss, Inter president Massimo Amoretti. The Reds’ boss said Inter wouldn’t be trying to sign any Liverpool players, but Branca contradicted this: “Everybody knows that Mascherano would like to change team and to change country. He also has a good relationship with our manager. We’ve made a very good offer, around the amount they are asking for.â€
And that “very good†offer would prove to help Liverpool receive the fee they had been seeking. That offer had been enough to block Barcelona’s highest – and what they said was their final – offer.
According to reports in Spain it was only a sacrifice from Mascherano that put his move to Spain back on.
Barcelona’s vice-president, Josep Maria Bartomeu, met Liverpool’s MD Christian Purslow and Eduardo Macia (chief scout but seemingly operating more like a director of football in the past few months) in Manchester on Thursday to try to do the deal. Barcelona’s bid was reportedly short of the required price by more than €3m but they were unable or unwilling to go a penny higher.
And that’s where Mascherano stepped in. He had his heart set on a move to Barcelona by now and came up with a solution to the impasse.
He would pay the difference between Barça’s final bid and Liverpool’s asking price himself.
He asked Barça to reduce the amount of money he was entitled to in his new contract by a sum equivalent to the extra money required by Liverpool, and for Barça to add that onto their offer. It did the trick; Liverpool accepted the new offer.
If the Spanish reports are correct, Mascherano was a long way short of being the selfish mercenary he was being billed as in England. He was desperate to make his wife and family happy and was unwilling to risk missing this opportunity again. He effectively paid over €3m to move to a club in a new country.
Even without knowing he would give up over €3m from his new contract it was well known why Mascherano was leaving. Hodgson’s “selfish†comments were quite unnecessary and, some might say, extremely ‘cold’.
Those comments, tied in with the rumours from Monday, led to a backlash against the player. Observers unwilling to consider for a moment that there may have been some exaggeration in what was said, or at least a lack of context, condemned the player without considering there is usually more than one side to a story.
With reports that Roy is going to use the money received from Mascherano on at least two replacements it’s extremely clear that the club – and indeed Hodgson – needed this transfer as much as the player did.
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Mascherano paying the price for happiness
Posted on August 28th, 2010 by Jim Boardman
Liverpool midfielder Javier Mascherano arrived in Barcelona at lunchtime today as he moved a step closer to setting up home in a country where he hopes his wife will be happy and where in turn he will be able to finally enjoy something approaching normal family life.
His desperation to see his family happy has, according to reports in Spain, personally cost him over €3m.
He’ll be unveiled to fans on Monday, subject to passing a medical.
Javier Mascherano arrives at BarcelonaMascherano played a vital role for Liverpool during his three and a half years at the club. Although he started last season with his mind clearly on other issues he has on the whole been treated as a hero by most supporters since he arrived at Anfield, initially on loan, in 2007.
But no matter how he felt about his time on the pitch it was his home life that was troubling him of late. He was desperately unhappy that he was unable to spend a great deal of time with his wife or young family after his wife had been unable to settle in the country. She spent a lot of time back in Argentina and it was clearly not the kind of situation that can go on without causing lasting problems for all concerned. It’s understandable he was looking for a move.
On his arrival in Barcelona today his words explained so much about how relieved he felt to be this close to the start of a new stage in his family and career life: “It’s a dream, a great joy. It is a pride for me and my family to take this step forward in my career.â€
Despite his unhappiness and his desire to see an end to those personal problems his professionalism against Arsenal in his only game for Liverpool this season was obvious. And any doubts fans might have had that his reasons for leaving related to any kind of grudge against the club or its staff should have been dispelled by his comments whilst on duty in Ireland for Argentina. He had nothing but respect for Liverpool FC and its fans, but personal pressures meant he had to move on.
But it seems Liverpool’s new manager doesn’t do empathy. Sending Mascherano on his way to Spain with a blast in the ear the increasingly prickly Roy Hodgson branded him as “selfishâ€.
Rumours from the club on Monday suggested Mascherano had refused to play against Manchester City. Some of those rumours also gave Hodgson a partial excuse for the embarrassing 3-0 defeat by adding that Mascherano’s alleged impromptu strike action had forced the manager to change his tactics at the eleventh hour.
But sources close to the Argentine captain reportedly denied he’d refused to play, insisting the decision to leave him out of the clash had already been taken on the Saturday, two days before the game, by a manager who was concerned about his state of mind. That gave Hodgson ample time to prepare his side. The club are yet to confirm in any official capacity that he refused to play.
The failure of the club to set a deadline for Mascherano to leave without it eating too far into the league season is as much to blame for any hostility as anything Mascherano himself has done. By the time Liverpool faced City there were only 8 days left to go until the closure of the window. Mascherano had picked up a knock against Arsenal and must have known there was a good chance of picking up an injury sufficient to rule him out of any medical for a new club in the days that remained.
For someone who saw that move as such a key stage in his life, let alone career, it’s understandable if he was reluctant.
Hodgson sounded like the manager of a club from the bottom half of the table trying to bump up the price of their only good player as he explained why Mascherano missed Monday’s defeat, saying he “is not in the right frame of mind to play the game because his head has obviously been turned by the offer from Barcelona.†He said that unless the fee offered by Barcelona was upped to meet Liverpool’s valuation Mascherano “might be unhappy for a long time to come.â€
But Roy isn’t even taking part in transfer negotiations, as he admitted himself: “I don’t really want to get involved in it. The discussions between Barcelona and the club are being held at high club level and as a result I don’t want to start saying things which may or may not be true. I have no wish to create headlines over the Mascherano situation.â€
As the week went on Hodgson had perhaps been briefed by his management on how the negotiations were progressing and the new manager decided to go on the attack against the Argentine: “It’s not easy to defend his actions. Professionals are paid to play and, when called upon to do so they should.
“I don’t think players mean it as a challenge to your authority or the club’s, but it’s a selfish situation where they want to do something and then expect the club and me to bow down and accept they are going to get their way.â€
The manager was talking tough yet he knew this player wanted out and why he wanted out. But he was on a roll: “Players must also understand when you sign contracts, you do so to play. If the club decides it’s going to accept an offer for you and let you go, then that’s one thing. If the club say, ‘You have a contract; we’re not selling,’ then therefore they are staying.â€
But that’s not what Mascherano was told. He was told Liverpool were selling, as long as the right bid came in. And Roy contradicted himself to a certain degree when he admitted he’d not taken the player to Turkey during the week in case it scuppered the transfer.
“Javier’s not here because the negotiations are ongoing between the two clubs,†Hodgson confirmed. “I wouldn’t say he has played his last game for the club but if he played here it might prejudice the transfer and I don’t wish to do anything like that.â€
Mascherano described as 'selfish' despit spending millions to see family happyMascherano being cup-tied in Europe until Christmas may well prejudice the transfer, but so would an injury that left him unable to undergo a medical for a new club before the closure of the window. It seems odd that the manager was willing to refer to Mascherano as “selfish†for missing Monday’s game yet left him out of Thursday’s squad for what boils down to the same reason.
Hodgson was very dismissive on Thursday night when he described an offer from Inter Milan: “I saw a fax the other day [from Inter Milan’s sporting director Marco Branca] but I think it was sent tongue-in-cheek. The offer was so unbelievably far from our valuation it seemed to me he was putting the fax in to maybe satisfy people at the club. We didn’t even bother to answer it – that’s how ridiculously far from a serious offer it was.â€
But as Roy and his Europa League squad travelled to Turkey there would be further offers from Branca on behalf of Inter, going against assurances Hodgson claimed he’d been given by his old boss, Inter president Massimo Amoretti. The Reds’ boss said Inter wouldn’t be trying to sign any Liverpool players, but Branca contradicted this: “Everybody knows that Mascherano would like to change team and to change country. He also has a good relationship with our manager. We’ve made a very good offer, around the amount they are asking for.â€
And that “very good†offer would prove to help Liverpool receive the fee they had been seeking. That offer had been enough to block Barcelona’s highest – and what they said was their final – offer.
According to reports in Spain it was only a sacrifice from Mascherano that put his move to Spain back on.
Barcelona’s vice-president, Josep Maria Bartomeu, met Liverpool’s MD Christian Purslow and Eduardo Macia (chief scout but seemingly operating more like a director of football in the past few months) in Manchester on Thursday to try to do the deal. Barcelona’s bid was reportedly short of the required price by more than €3m but they were unable or unwilling to go a penny higher.
And that’s where Mascherano stepped in. He had his heart set on a move to Barcelona by now and came up with a solution to the impasse.
He would pay the difference between Barça’s final bid and Liverpool’s asking price himself.
He asked Barça to reduce the amount of money he was entitled to in his new contract by a sum equivalent to the extra money required by Liverpool, and for Barça to add that onto their offer. It did the trick; Liverpool accepted the new offer.
If the Spanish reports are correct, Mascherano was a long way short of being the selfish mercenary he was being billed as in England. He was desperate to make his wife and family happy and was unwilling to risk missing this opportunity again. He effectively paid over €3m to move to a club in a new country.
Even without knowing he would give up over €3m from his new contract it was well known why Mascherano was leaving. Hodgson’s “selfish†comments were quite unnecessary and, some might say, extremely ‘cold’.
Those comments, tied in with the rumours from Monday, led to a backlash against the player. Observers unwilling to consider for a moment that there may have been some exaggeration in what was said, or at least a lack of context, condemned the player without considering there is usually more than one side to a story.
With reports that Roy is going to use the money received from Mascherano on at least two replacements it’s extremely clear that the club – and indeed Hodgson – needed this transfer as much as the player did.
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Unfortunately none of us will have a chance to boo him or even look at him hawkishly to purvey our disgust, unless we play them in a friendly next summer.
I think the fact that Lucas is in our team makes me hate Mascherano for leaving. It's like when your best make fucks off and leaves you with a right ming.
I thought Hodgson's comments were exaggerated and the headline (Hodgson has parting blast at Masher) was worse than the actual interview. He was quite fair really. So what if he was pissed off about Monday? He had every right to be, the only reason it's being turned back on him now is because of Masher's gesture.
People forget that Masher made quite a few comments in the press over the Summer that were also disrespectful to the club. It's six of one and half a dozen of the other, things have been said but I think there's a mutual respect between the club and Masher, it's done now so we should be allowed to move on without the press looking to paint Masher as some good Samaritan who just wanted the best for his family. Perhaps he did but he didn't go about it entirely the right way.
People forget that Masher made quite a few comments in the press over the Summer that were also disrespectful to the club. It's six of one and half a dozen of the other, things have been said but I think there's a mutual respect between the club and Masher, it's done now so we should be allowed to move on without the press looking to paint Masher as some good Samaritan who just wanted the best for his family. Perhaps he did but he didn't go about it entirely the right way.
He didn't because he couldn't risk it if he wanted to be sure the deal would go through. Nor incidentally do I recall any comments disrespectful to the club during the summer or at any other time. I totally agree it's time to move on, but the article's fair enough in the light of Roy's unnecessary "selfish" jibe.
Really? I remember him making a comment about learning Italian and giving a few non-committal interviews where he acted the cunt (I know a few others did too). All Roy said really was that we're paying his wages and regardless of transfer negotiations, a player should make themselves available to play. His refusal to do so was underhanded and it disrupted preparations for the game (which we subsequently lost). At the end of the season if we miss out on 4th because of a couple of points, I'd be pretty miffed. No one's saying we would have won, but what difference did it make him playing? It's not like it was Europe.
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"I'm learning Italian" isn't disrespectful to a club paying his wage each week?
OK.
OK.
Fair cop on the "learning Italian" remark, which I had forgotten and which was out of order. I don't take the point about non-committal interviews (Torres gave a few too) and Jim Boardman's article isn't the first to have said pretty clearly that Masher DIDN'T refuse to make himself available. On the contrary, it was Roy's decision not to pick him.
Jules, whether or not he was desperate to leave is irrelevant, in all fairness.
His actions hurt us terribly, and I'm not interested in how his wife felt about it or why he felt he had to be so honourable to take a personal financial hit himself.
That article is also a piece of tripe; if Barca wanted to be 'honourable' about it, they would have made an offer LONG before this and Mascher could have ensured that offer met the valuation.
The fact that we dawdled on this was used by both Mashr and Barca to fuck us over.
Would you take Masherano and 10 million for Yaya Toure?
I certainly would, and thats exactly what happened.
In other words, Masherano can go and fck himself.
His actions hurt us terribly, and I'm not interested in how his wife felt about it or why he felt he had to be so honourable to take a personal financial hit himself.
That article is also a piece of tripe; if Barca wanted to be 'honourable' about it, they would have made an offer LONG before this and Mascher could have ensured that offer met the valuation.
The fact that we dawdled on this was used by both Mashr and Barca to fuck us over.
Would you take Masherano and 10 million for Yaya Toure?
I certainly would, and thats exactly what happened.
In other words, Masherano can go and fck himself.
We're going to have to agree to differ then, Avvy;
1. Masher's departure was going to hurt us whenever and however it happened, because he was massively important to us;
2. If this were an ideal world I'd share your draconian view of the irrelevance of a player's wishes in such a situation. It isn't, so I can't.
3. It's likewise your privilege not to care about his family situation, but I totally disagree, not just because I don't wish an unhappy family on anyone but because it's bound to directly affect any player and his form.
4. Where does the article have anything to say about Barcelona wanting to act honourably? Could it be that your damning assessment of it arises chiefly from the fact that its message doesn't suit you, rather than from any objective lack of accuracy in it?
5. The fact that we didn't handle the matter as well as we should have is not down to Masher alone (nor do I consider it completely the club's fault, as the situation was always going to be a tough one to navigate).
1. Masher's departure was going to hurt us whenever and however it happened, because he was massively important to us;
2. If this were an ideal world I'd share your draconian view of the irrelevance of a player's wishes in such a situation. It isn't, so I can't.
3. It's likewise your privilege not to care about his family situation, but I totally disagree, not just because I don't wish an unhappy family on anyone but because it's bound to directly affect any player and his form.
4. Where does the article have anything to say about Barcelona wanting to act honourably? Could it be that your damning assessment of it arises chiefly from the fact that its message doesn't suit you, rather than from any objective lack of accuracy in it?
5. The fact that we didn't handle the matter as well as we should have is not down to Masher alone (nor do I consider it completely the club's fault, as the situation was always going to be a tough one to navigate).
I'm sorry but I'm not into deriding Masherano for his actions over the last couple of weeks. He has been a fantastic player for us over the last three years. We have known for a long time that he was promised a move this Summer and he has played for us with distinction in the meantime to the detriment of his family life.
I'm sure many of you are married and have children ... how would you feel if you were separated for long periods at a time ? Missing the growth and bonding with your child(ren) and apart from your wife ? I've done it, 3 months on and 1 month off for 12 months until my wife and daughter (then 8 months old) could join me in Nigeria I was well paid but it doesn't compensate and it was gut-wrenchingly emotional every time I had to return after my month's leave.
Yes he missed he Citeh game, but it sounds more and more as if this was a desperate move to resurrect or ensure the deal went through one way or another, especially so after Roy's comments. To now learn that he was involved in the negotiations and personally sacrificed 3M Euro just under-lines his determination to see us fulfill our promise and probably his to his wife too.
As regards the fee - well both Inter & Barca were well aware of the situation and knew we had promised him his move. This is business, don't expect them to get sentimental, they both knew they had us over a barrel and had probably planned for quite a while to take it down to the wire unless another bidder stepped in. Unfortunately for us it didn't turn into an auction.
There is more to life than football.
I'm sure many of you are married and have children ... how would you feel if you were separated for long periods at a time ? Missing the growth and bonding with your child(ren) and apart from your wife ? I've done it, 3 months on and 1 month off for 12 months until my wife and daughter (then 8 months old) could join me in Nigeria I was well paid but it doesn't compensate and it was gut-wrenchingly emotional every time I had to return after my month's leave.
Yes he missed he Citeh game, but it sounds more and more as if this was a desperate move to resurrect or ensure the deal went through one way or another, especially so after Roy's comments. To now learn that he was involved in the negotiations and personally sacrificed 3M Euro just under-lines his determination to see us fulfill our promise and probably his to his wife too.
As regards the fee - well both Inter & Barca were well aware of the situation and knew we had promised him his move. This is business, don't expect them to get sentimental, they both knew they had us over a barrel and had probably planned for quite a while to take it down to the wire unless another bidder stepped in. Unfortunately for us it didn't turn into an auction.
There is more to life than football.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41624.msg1165138#msg1165138 date=1283070299]
Fair cop on the "learning Italian" remark, which I had forgotten and which was out of order. I don't take the point about non-committal interviews (Torres gave a few too) and Jim Boardman's article isn't the first to have said pretty clearly that Masher DIDN'T refuse to make himself available. On the contrary, it was Roy's decision not to pick him.
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The learning Italian quote is hardly our of order if, as seems to be generally agreed, the club had promised him his move this Summer if he didn't force it last. Why would he then say anything hypocritical committing himself to the club ? I'm 100% with JJ on this.
Fair cop on the "learning Italian" remark, which I had forgotten and which was out of order. I don't take the point about non-committal interviews (Torres gave a few too) and Jim Boardman's article isn't the first to have said pretty clearly that Masher DIDN'T refuse to make himself available. On the contrary, it was Roy's decision not to pick him.
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The learning Italian quote is hardly our of order if, as seems to be generally agreed, the club had promised him his move this Summer if he didn't force it last. Why would he then say anything hypocritical committing himself to the club ? I'm 100% with JJ on this.
[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=41624.msg1165145#msg1165145 date=1283071083]
Jules, whether or not he was desperate to leave is irrelevant, in all fairness.
His actions hurt us terribly, and I'm not interested in how his wife felt about it or why he felt he had to be so honourable to take a personal financial hit himself.
That article is also a piece of tripe; if Barca wanted to be 'honourable' about it, they would have made an offer LONG before this and Mascher could have ensured that offer met the valuation.
The fact that we dawdled on this was used by both Mashr and Barca to fuck us over.
Would you take Masherano and 10 million for Yaya Toure?
I certainly would, and thats exactly what happened.
In other words, Masherano can go and fck himself.
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I'm afraid you are in denial re. real life vs. a supporter's view.
Not interested in how he felt ? How he paid out of his own pocket ? How his wife had a major influence on his actions ? That Barca did what any good business would do and tried to get themselves the best deal ?
How about that we had promised him his move but that more than likely Roy / LFC would have loved him to stay and so were not exactly keen to speed things long ?
Jules, whether or not he was desperate to leave is irrelevant, in all fairness.
His actions hurt us terribly, and I'm not interested in how his wife felt about it or why he felt he had to be so honourable to take a personal financial hit himself.
That article is also a piece of tripe; if Barca wanted to be 'honourable' about it, they would have made an offer LONG before this and Mascher could have ensured that offer met the valuation.
The fact that we dawdled on this was used by both Mashr and Barca to fuck us over.
Would you take Masherano and 10 million for Yaya Toure?
I certainly would, and thats exactly what happened.
In other words, Masherano can go and fck himself.
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I'm afraid you are in denial re. real life vs. a supporter's view.
Not interested in how he felt ? How he paid out of his own pocket ? How his wife had a major influence on his actions ? That Barca did what any good business would do and tried to get themselves the best deal ?
How about that we had promised him his move but that more than likely Roy / LFC would have loved him to stay and so were not exactly keen to speed things long ?
What would you all do if you were in Mascher's shoes ?
If it's your family in the equation, which comes first ?
How bout the old adage - there are more things in life more important than football ? Why only apply it in other cases and not this ? It's still life, isn't it ?
No matter how hard a man is, a family is still a family. Look what happened to the 'mentally tough' Tiger Woods. The loss of his family 'almost' destroyed him.
Many will disagree with me for romanticizing this or perhaps being a pansy - but I'll still say it - that a REAL MAN will do whatever it takes to protect and take care of his family.
Once again, I challenge all of us to put ourselves in Mascher's shoes. Will it be an easy choice as much as we'd like it to be ? I highly doubt so.
PS : I'm not trying to disrespect your opinions here, nor being self-righteous. Just offering my 2 cents on it. You're more than welcome to disagree with mine.
If it's your family in the equation, which comes first ?
How bout the old adage - there are more things in life more important than football ? Why only apply it in other cases and not this ? It's still life, isn't it ?
No matter how hard a man is, a family is still a family. Look what happened to the 'mentally tough' Tiger Woods. The loss of his family 'almost' destroyed him.
Many will disagree with me for romanticizing this or perhaps being a pansy - but I'll still say it - that a REAL MAN will do whatever it takes to protect and take care of his family.
Once again, I challenge all of us to put ourselves in Mascher's shoes. Will it be an easy choice as much as we'd like it to be ? I highly doubt so.
PS : I'm not trying to disrespect your opinions here, nor being self-righteous. Just offering my 2 cents on it. You're more than welcome to disagree with mine.
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Fair cop on the "learning Italian" remark, which I had forgotten and which was out of order. I don't take the point about non-committal interviews (Torres gave a few too) and Jim Boardman's article isn't the first to have said pretty clearly that Masher DIDN'T refuse to make himself available. On the contrary, it was Roy's decision not to pick him.
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The learning Italian quote is hardly our of order if, as seems to be generally agreed, the club had promised him his move this Summer if he didn't force it last. Why would he then say anything hypocritical committing himself to the club ? I'm 100% with JJ on this.
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Then you don't say anything, Frogfish. He wasn't forced to.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=41624.msg1165138#msg1165138 date=1283070299]
Fair cop on the "learning Italian" remark, which I had forgotten and which was out of order. I don't take the point about non-committal interviews (Torres gave a few too) and Jim Boardman's article isn't the first to have said pretty clearly that Masher DIDN'T refuse to make himself available. On the contrary, it was Roy's decision not to pick him.
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The learning Italian quote is hardly our of order if, as seems to be generally agreed, the club had promised him his move this Summer if he didn't force it last. Why would he then say anything hypocritical committing himself to the club ? I'm 100% with JJ on this.
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Then you don't say anything, Frogfish. He wasn't forced to.
Exactly.
He was promised a move, yes..and I've said several times that the club was more to blame for that debacle than Mascherano was..
And credit to Masherano, he did agree to leave once a right offer came in.
What he meant was 'any pittance offer to anywhere but here' was a right offer...it's not like his Italian lessons are going to help him now, are they?
Froggy : I'm not ignoring the real-life situation, and I perfectly understand the reasons why he wanted to leave..Hell, I put my job and my career back home on hold to come here to be with my wife for a year..Each passing day makes that decision look foolish, but I dont really have that many regrets about it.
So I can understand his situation, but I'm not going to say that makes it OK to fuck the club over..and that's exactly what he did.
Oncy : I know the Toure example isn't very good, but I was putting it in terms to show excatly how much of a shitty deal this was.
Forced through because Masher didnt care whatever derisory offer we got if it meant he could leave.
'Kiss the badge' my balls.
He was promised a move, yes..and I've said several times that the club was more to blame for that debacle than Mascherano was..
And credit to Masherano, he did agree to leave once a right offer came in.
What he meant was 'any pittance offer to anywhere but here' was a right offer...it's not like his Italian lessons are going to help him now, are they?
Froggy : I'm not ignoring the real-life situation, and I perfectly understand the reasons why he wanted to leave..Hell, I put my job and my career back home on hold to come here to be with my wife for a year..Each passing day makes that decision look foolish, but I dont really have that many regrets about it.
So I can understand his situation, but I'm not going to say that makes it OK to fuck the club over..and that's exactly what he did.
Oncy : I know the Toure example isn't very good, but I was putting it in terms to show excatly how much of a shitty deal this was.
Forced through because Masher didnt care whatever derisory offer we got if it meant he could leave.
'Kiss the badge' my balls.
a google translation from El Pais. €22m rising to €26m once Barca qualify for the next four Champions leagues. That is roughly £18m rising to £21.5m
Javier Mascherano (San Lorenzo, 1984), the captain of Argentina, known as the chieftains, is scheduled to arrive today in Barcelona to be presented next Monday as a Barcelona player for the next four seasons. The signing was closed in the early hours of yesterday in Liverpool for 22 million euros more variables -1.5 million annually if the team qualifies for the Champions League, after a negotiation in which the Catalan club was Sports represented by Vice President, Josep Maria Bartomeu.
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/duro/equipo/seda/elpepidep/20100828elpepidep_3/Tes
Javier Mascherano (San Lorenzo, 1984), the captain of Argentina, known as the chieftains, is scheduled to arrive today in Barcelona to be presented next Monday as a Barcelona player for the next four seasons. The signing was closed in the early hours of yesterday in Liverpool for 22 million euros more variables -1.5 million annually if the team qualifies for the Champions League, after a negotiation in which the Catalan club was Sports represented by Vice President, Josep Maria Bartomeu.
http://www.elpais.com/articulo/deportes/duro/equipo/seda/elpepidep/20100828elpepidep_3/Tes
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We paid a high price for him and getting it all back for a player determined to leave is something I guess.
But I am disappointed, because I think he's improved since joining us and he's now the best 'destroyer' in world football, and is captain of his country. So I think £25M would have been a fair market price.
But I am disappointed, because I think he's improved since joining us and he's now the best 'destroyer' in world football, and is captain of his country. So I think £25M would have been a fair market price.
Well, he may not improve too much at Barca. They basically have the ball all the time so he'll have to do his natural job just a couple of times in each game. I can see him being very anonymous unless his passing improves and the Barca boys decide to pass it to him. I don't think they'll be overly keen on seeing him replace local boy Busquets though.
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