redcafe on moyes
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Red Issue is another Scouse hating fanzine / forum.
I love it how so many of their fans, especially those who never go to the game, refer to us by names that are used by people on these forums - names like bin dippers. It's like they think if they use them it gives them more validity to their Man U supporting.
"Called some Scouse cunt a bin dipper on twitter the other day, I'm fucking fantastic me" all said from the safety of their south coast residence which they've never left to head to the game.
Please note I'm not saying OTTs are bad, I'm saying the ones who try to act like match goers but aren't are. Anyway, most Mancs are plazzy cunts.
I don't know about Redcafe but Moyes looks a bit thinner, a bit whiter and more care worn than I remember.
By the way, as to rumours of board meetings etc, can anyone really see the board sacking Fergie's Chose One?
By the way, as to rumours of board meetings etc, can anyone really see the board sacking Fergie's Chose One?
If he gets it they'll need to give him a pay rise. You know if he's doing two jobs then he needs two pay cheques.
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Punt the ball up to Fellaini. Great viewing.Expand
Gary Guyers @garyefc1982 9h
“@kevin11sheedy: Punt the ball up to Fellaini. Great viewing.” Haha heard you didn't like moyes an he wasn't interested in youth playersExpand
Kevin Sheedy @kevin11sheedy 9h
@garyefc1982 Correct on both counts Gary.Expand
David Brice 1878 @davidjbricey 9h
@kevin11sheedy@garyefc1982 I think it was painfully obvious that Moyes had no faith in youth. Must of done your head in, Sheeds!Expand
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Kevin Sheedy @kevin11sheedy 9h
@davidjbricey yep David he did.
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Just like Gollum longing for his precious...
I can't even make fun of my mates who are Manc fans ... I don't like kicking them when they're down and on the way - inshallah - into the abyss. I hope they enjoy the ride mind.
Oh my fucking god, that made me spits out my water.
Hahahaha. That's brilliant.
A man can dream.
Moyes defiant over Man Utd future http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/26634094
Hope MU keeps him for years.
Hope MU keeps him for years.
He now really seems like a bloke who's gone ga-ga. The hacks don't really ask him much and he sits there grinning. It's like some family gathering at Christmas when everyone realises that their slightly eccentric uncle is now wearing a lampshade on his head, eating cat food and talking cheerfully about George Formby living in his cupboard. "I see Sir Alex quite a lot...he's very nice...blah blah..." The embarrassed silence in the room is palpable.
Heh, Moyes definitely does have the appearance of a crazed ghost haunting the various stadiums in the country these days.
As Moyes 10 point plan for fucking up at a club (ghostwritten by Macca) demonstrates, he's made a lot of mistakes that have contributed to and exacerbated the situation, which seems to have damaged his mental health somewhat.... but if possible, put that aside for one moment.
Is he really as bad as being made out? Is the situation there completely unsalvageable?
I was one of those in the summer who wasn't quite ready to laugh at the Mancs on account of believing Moyes is / was a good manager. Since then I think his achievements at Everton have been belittled somewhat and is a little unfairly decried as a proponent of stone age football.
At Everton he did try bring in technical players (e.g. Pienaar, Arteta, Miralis) and contrary to the revisionism surrounding Martinez' Everton, they weren't always playing turgid football with those players. I remember them actually playing some good stuff - that is when they weren't capitulating against the top 4. I think at Utd he's trying too hard to conform to the idea of how he thinks Utd sides should play forgetting that even Ferguson adapted over the years.
So, I feel a little dirty having defended him somewhat now, but it's all in aid of promoting debate... is he really as bad as is being made out or is it more a case of just struggling with the magnitude of the job right now?
As Moyes 10 point plan for fucking up at a club (ghostwritten by Macca) demonstrates, he's made a lot of mistakes that have contributed to and exacerbated the situation, which seems to have damaged his mental health somewhat.... but if possible, put that aside for one moment.
Is he really as bad as being made out? Is the situation there completely unsalvageable?
I was one of those in the summer who wasn't quite ready to laugh at the Mancs on account of believing Moyes is / was a good manager. Since then I think his achievements at Everton have been belittled somewhat and is a little unfairly decried as a proponent of stone age football.
At Everton he did try bring in technical players (e.g. Pienaar, Arteta, Miralis) and contrary to the revisionism surrounding Martinez' Everton, they weren't always playing turgid football with those players. I remember them actually playing some good stuff - that is when they weren't capitulating against the top 4. I think at Utd he's trying too hard to conform to the idea of how he thinks Utd sides should play forgetting that even Ferguson adapted over the years.
So, I feel a little dirty having defended him somewhat now, but it's all in aid of promoting debate... is he really as bad as is being made out or is it more a case of just struggling with the magnitude of the job right now?
He is paralysed by respect for some of the senior players in my opinion. He should have taken Van Persie by the scruff by now and benched him for Wellbeck. As much as VP is obviously a better player than Welbeck, he's not giving enough for his team. He needs a lesson, but Moyes doesn't have the cojones to give him one. Such things could lead to a lack of respect permeating the team.
I imagine he already does.
I think Moyes falls at the first hurdle, in that he just doesn't have the personality for a really high-pressured job like Man Utd manager. Everything else is meaningless without that. I think loads of things have gone against him to make the job harder than it might have been, but even without those factors something would have come along to test his authority over proceedings and he would've bottled it.
You have to be able to impose yourself on a job like that.
You have to be able to impose yourself on a job like that.
Largely agree, except that I don't think it's a question of bottling it as such. To me the problem seems to be that he knows deep down that the job's too big for him, so he's actually trying *too* hard to impose his own ways on the club, instead of being willing to learn as well as lecture.
He's so stressed right now that he can't even think straight. It's noticeable at the club but the people who want to help him don't know what to do. The people who don't like him, and there are quite a few, know exactly what to do.
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