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The average attendance for the league is about 450.
Wait till they get stripped of everything they've won for the last decade or so as well.
As someone mentioned - how are they
Going to operate with reduced income, etc.
The answer is probably that they aren't - there's a chance this newco Rangers will collapse before a ball is kicked.
They have no players, no money & face a difficult challenge to get back up the leagues - McCoist is a hopeless manager as well.
The SFA will now try and re-structure the entire league system of Scottish football to ensure Rangers are helped back up.
As someone mentioned - how are they
Going to operate with reduced income, etc.
The answer is probably that they aren't - there's a chance this newco Rangers will collapse before a ball is kicked.
They have no players, no money & face a difficult challenge to get back up the leagues - McCoist is a hopeless manager as well.
The SFA will now try and re-structure the entire league system of Scottish football to ensure Rangers are helped back up.
Did the SPL have to put it to a vote ? It was obvious that other SPL teams would vote them out as it destroys a team keeping them out of the CL. It was however suicidal, nobody can now touch Celtic and a league without competition is dead. TV rights ? Most of that was based on the 4 Rangers vs Celtic SPL matches per season. The SPL is going to collapse and take other teams down with them.
In the CL Scotland will quickly drop down the rung even further and SPL teams will be starting right from the very bottom of qualifying with expensive road trips to faraway Eastern European teams, which they can ill afford. Short-sighted and suicidal vote to say the least.
In the CL Scotland will quickly drop down the rung even further and SPL teams will be starting right from the very bottom of qualifying with expensive road trips to faraway Eastern European teams, which they can ill afford. Short-sighted and suicidal vote to say the least.
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yeah but what do you do . Surely you can't just let a club spend lots of money to be successful only to then not be able to repay that money and fold . Then just say "don't worry about it , start again no problem " . It's a form of cheating . If it was allowed then the game would be in chaos with lots of clubs doing it .
I agree to a point but putting principles first is one thing.
Putting principles ahead of the entire league & future of the sport is fucking madness.
Well the PL and FA seem to have a solution. Dock them points.
The SPL could have docked them points for the next 5 seasons if they wanted to ensure they didn't get away with it too easy and to keep it competitive. But instead the SPL and the short-sightedness of the other clubs have virtually written their own death warrant. SPL teams will be vying for places in the Conference soon.
I bet by some incredible coincidence Celtic will be drawn against Rangers in the cups!
Froggie... they are about to go in to liquidation - which eamns Glasgow Ranger Football Club no longer exists. Once this proces begins, then that's it - all gone.
What has happened is that a consortium has strukc a deal to purchase whatever asstes are left - which include the Ibrox, Murray Park training ground, a carpark, possibly some player contracts & Ally McCoist. They are an entirely new company, with no history - in fact at the minute they are just a compay - they are not even a Football CLub, because they have not been registered as such.
The SPL vote a few weeks ago was to decide whether the SPL membership share owend by Rangers could be transferred to this new club. The decision was that the they could not - after all Ranger had reached the point of liquidation because they had overspent (illegally, alledgedly) and having them just re-formed as a new debt free company in the same division was just plain wrong.
The vote on Friday by the SFL was to determine which league this new Rangers should be allowed to enter from. Now, according to the rules in Scotland a new football team has to show 3 years worth of accounts to be allowed in to the Football League - new Rangers have been allowed in despite not actually being a football team yet, never mind showing 3 years of accounts.
The case Ranger situation is most like is the situation Leeds found themselves in. Fortunately for Leeds they were able to exit administration by agreeing a CVA deal with creditors to pay back some of the debt. Rangers were unable to do that, primarily because their major creditor was HRMC and te deal was to offer them up to 9p in the pound - so absolutely fuck all. The Taxman was never going to agree to that - and nor should they - running up a tax bill of potentially 100m and offering to pay 9m back was doomed.
The SFL have already bent their rules by allowing New Rangers - who incidentally might not be allowed to call themselves Rangers, because it's somewhat illegal for a newly formed company to purchase the asstes of a liquidated company and call the new company the sme name as the old one - or companies would just run up debt, go in to liquidation and reform as a new company debt free. The word scam springs to mind.
This has all come about because the Board of Rangers FC went on a made decade+ long spending spree, unchecked, with no care for the consequences - when it became unsustainable did Ranger stop - no, they funded it by tax avoidance schemes, withholding tax PAYE & NI payments to HRMC and stopped playing everyone from Strathclyde Police to the local newsagent. They also stopped paying otehr clubs for players they'd signed form them - Jelavic for example, despite them selling him on, they still owe money to the whoever the bought him from. The Rangers player though, still got paid.
Thank you very much for that clarification SteveM. I must admit I have only followed this is in fits and starts.
Fact remains though that, despite the Rangers' board being the ones to blame for the club's dissolution, the effect on the SPL could be as dramatic and terminal as that of RFC.
Therefore the SFL should have fought tooth and nail and broken, bent, revoked, invoked and reinvented their own regulations to ensure that the New Rangers, whatever form they take, should be included in the SPL and found a way to continue with the majority of their playing staff, because without them, the rivalry with Celtic and their fans (and the money they bring to every other club in the SPL via gate receipts and TV rights) the SPL is doomed.
That might not have been feasible but I don't remember the other SPL teams or the SFL making any great effort to support RFC (not that they were deserving of their support but we are talking about their own survival which is IMHO immutably tied to that of RFC as a working, competitive, SPL club.
Fact remains though that, despite the Rangers' board being the ones to blame for the club's dissolution, the effect on the SPL could be as dramatic and terminal as that of RFC.
Therefore the SFL should have fought tooth and nail and broken, bent, revoked, invoked and reinvented their own regulations to ensure that the New Rangers, whatever form they take, should be included in the SPL and found a way to continue with the majority of their playing staff, because without them, the rivalry with Celtic and their fans (and the money they bring to every other club in the SPL via gate receipts and TV rights) the SPL is doomed.
That might not have been feasible but I don't remember the other SPL teams or the SFL making any great effort to support RFC (not that they were deserving of their support but we are talking about their own survival which is IMHO immutably tied to that of RFC as a working, competitive, SPL club.
What's competitive about the SPL? It's a joke league, that hasn't had a non-Old Firm winner for 28 years! If sponsors and broadcasters do lose interest and cut the money, Celtic, as the most prominent brand, would feel it the most and have to cut spending. It might not level things out enough, but there'll be a more even spread of money and there's a smaller club experiencing Champs League football for only the second time in 17 years as well as the three Europa teams. Surely that'll help more to make a competitive league and not just a competitive top 2.
Competitive in that at least it was a 2 horse race that had some interest. Now it is a foregone conclusion and as I said above .. the CL is a poisoned chalice for most SPL teams, expensive trips abroad are not going to swell their coffers. No Old Firm, no TV money would be my bet.
Old Firm complete domination of the Scottish game began in the mid 90's - for much of the late 80's and early 90's Aberdeen under Ferguson were the natural challengers. Dundee Utd & Hearts were also competitive and dud well in Europe.
I remember watching Aberdeen beat Real Madrid to win the Cup Winners Cup in the 80's.
One argument is that the the Old Firm stunted the growth of other Scottish teams and Scottish football as a whole.
The fans of the game in Scotland are behind these votes - fed up with the rules being bent to ensure old firm domination and fed up with the game being more interested in TV deals than the fans.
Truth is that attendances were dwindling because couldn't be arsed with watching a game that was so loaded in two teams favor. Had SPL chairmen not voted to keep Rangers out they would have lost their own fan base with somewhere in the region if 96% of fans not wanting special treatment for Rangers.
There is a genuine feeling that this is an opportunity for all fans in Scorland to reclaim their game from the likes of Sky Sports and make it a more competitive and attractive option in the long term.
There has apparently been a spike in season ticket sales for the clubs who opposed Rangers as fans see a new opportunity to influence their game.
I think it's a very, very interesting thing - because we've all expressed our distaste at the way the game has become more money orientated - the Scots may have seized on an opportunity that the English game could only dream of.
There will be pain in the short term, but maybe for the best in the long term.
I remember watching Aberdeen beat Real Madrid to win the Cup Winners Cup in the 80's.
One argument is that the the Old Firm stunted the growth of other Scottish teams and Scottish football as a whole.
The fans of the game in Scotland are behind these votes - fed up with the rules being bent to ensure old firm domination and fed up with the game being more interested in TV deals than the fans.
Truth is that attendances were dwindling because couldn't be arsed with watching a game that was so loaded in two teams favor. Had SPL chairmen not voted to keep Rangers out they would have lost their own fan base with somewhere in the region if 96% of fans not wanting special treatment for Rangers.
There is a genuine feeling that this is an opportunity for all fans in Scorland to reclaim their game from the likes of Sky Sports and make it a more competitive and attractive option in the long term.
There has apparently been a spike in season ticket sales for the clubs who opposed Rangers as fans see a new opportunity to influence their game.
I think it's a very, very interesting thing - because we've all expressed our distaste at the way the game has become more money orientated - the Scots may have seized on an opportunity that the English game could only dream of.
There will be pain in the short term, but maybe for the best in the long term.
You can probably guarantee queens park hampden park, will be a full house at least twice a season..
Even if the TV pot is lower, by equitably distributing the lower TV revenues, wouldn't this be an opportunity to create a more competitive league?
Absolutely - which is what will happen. The current SPL voting structure requires an 11-1 result to make any changes - which was in effect, a veto for the 2 Old Firm teams - as one of them had to agree in a change.
With Rangers gone the first thing that will happen us that the voting rules will change and clubs will start to reassert some sort of influence again.
I'd imagine most visiting teams will be treated like they're on a stadium tour as their minibus turns up.
Ha, close. My nan lived in Thurso.
Which is so far north I saw the northern lights twice.
My uncle still lives in Dingwall. Took me almost a full day to get there last year.
Tell your folks to be wary incase the rangers hordes get drawn against their local part-time team in whatever competition they get let in to next season 🙂
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