Rangers..

[dave2]

Start in the SFL third Division or start in the English non League.. its an absolute no brainer..

Depends how low they start.

They should be a new club (completely new squad) and made to start 9 divisions below the Premier League same as FC United. If this were they case they may well fly up two or 3 divisions and then hit a wall and not go up anywhere near as quickly as you envisage.

Far too many ifs and buts to second guess what will happen. But were they to start again their progress will have a lot to do with their attendances.

 

[6TimesaRed]

If it was to happen, I don't think they will go that low.. Chester didn't because they believed grounds in the lower leagues wouldn't be able to cope with their fan base..

So with Rangers, If they do enter it will probably have to be at conferance level... It will be a great money spinner for that league, so you could see why it could be entertained. Money talks n all that...

They will fill their stadium week in week out regardless of what division they are in.. It's that reason why they would probably fly up the leagues..

 

[hmmmmm1]

Heard it was something to voting power within sfa

Old firm have a grip on this

The other clubs eg hearts/hibs see this as their chance to create a level playing field for themselves

 

[Spionkop69]

Am I alone in not caring one jot?

I liked Ross's point about the scrotes who support one Scottish club and an English club too. Strange that "800 years of rape and pillage" gets forgotten there.

 

[Fabio]

Am I alone in not caring one jot?

I liked Ross's point about the scrotes who support one Scottish club and an English club too. Strange that "800 years of rape and pillage" gets forgotten there.

Yeah i don't care. Don't care for Scottish football one bit. Least of all one if the teams who SHOULD be able to sort out their finances

 

[the count]

Am I alone in not caring one jot?

I liked Ross's point about the scrotes who support one Scottish club and an English club too. Strange that "800 years of rape and pillage" gets forgotten there.

You would have liked to have seen the protesters outside Croke Park on the day Ireland played England there in rugby.
They were there protesting about the playing of "foreign" games in the national Gaelic sports stadium, many of them wearing Celtic jerseys.😵🙄

 

[dave2]

Jono@home: It won't be 'Sevco/The Rangers' picking which league they will go into were they to come down here. The situation is very very different from that of Chester City. The running costs of Stadium, Staff and Academy alone far far away their income were they to drop down very low in whatever country. And they are skint, too skint to pay Rapid Vienna the million they are still owed for Jelavic even after the player was sold to Everton for 5.5m.

 

[Rosco]

You would have liked to have seen the protesters outside Croke Park on the day Ireland played England there in rugby.
They were there protesting about the playing of "foreign" games in the national Gaelic sports stadium, many of them wearing Celtic jerseys.😵🙄

 

[Athens]

You would have liked to have seen the protesters outside Croke Park on the day Ireland played England there in rugby.
They were there protesting about the playing of "foreign" games in the national Gaelic sports stadium, many of them wearing Celtic jerseys.😵🙄

This was a year or so after Croke Park hosted an American football match too if i'm not mistaken.

 

[the count]

This was a year or so after Croke Park hosted an American football match too if i'm not mistaken.

It's had american football on a few occasions at least as well as hosting Muhammad Ali in a boxing match.

 

[Athens]

It's had american football on a few occasions at least as well as hosting Muhammad Ali in a boxing match.

These we probably the same crowd that protested the Queen visiting Ireland while wearing utd tops and holding packets of ham.

 

[Jack D Rips]

Am I alone in not caring one jot?

I liked Ross's point about the scrotes who support one Scottish club and an English club too. Strange that "800 years of rape and pillage" gets forgotten there.

Are you suggesting that Irish people are hypocrites for supporting English clubs or did I read your post wrong? If I did apologies

 

[StevieM]

Sad times for Scottish football

are you for real????????

Fans in Scottish Football are behind Rangers being refused back in to the SPL, with 90%+ delighted in recent polls - fan groups have banded together to tell Chairmen that they will refuse to attend games if Rangers are allowed back in.

If anything this has galvanised supporters in Scotland to re-claim ownership of their teams and move the balance of power from Sky Sports, banks and assorted other money launderers and give it back to the fans.

Quite a few clubs in the SPL have moved to fan-ownership models, Motherwell being the prime example and St Mirren in the process of doing it.

Rangers cheated their way to numerous titles and with Celtic, demanded the lions share of money from Sky Sports deals, and continued to weaken other teams by cherry picking their best talent (done by excessive wages funded by withholding tax and double contracts).

Prior to Murray taking over Rangers in about '86, Scotland's national team was reasonable, and clubs like Aberdeen, Dundee Utd & Hearts had all performed reasonably well in Europe - Rangers regularly finished mid-table.

All that the Murray years did was consolidate all the money and best players round the old Firm to the detriment of the wider game in Scotland.

Rangers are now telling the clubs and fans of the clubs they effectively made second class citizens that they need Rangers because Rangers will put a few bob more in their pockets.

 

[StevieM]

I've never liked Rangers, but their fans and players have done nothing wrong and they're the ones who are being punished by this.

Given that the 2 clubs in England that it has been rumoured were operating a "tax avoidance" system like Rangers are Man Utd & Chelsea - would you feel sorry for their fans if both teams were liquidated, forced to start again and stripped of all their titles over the last 20 years.

 

[StevieM]

Besides... and this is important..... Ranger haven't actually been punished for anything yet.


They have gone in to liquidation as a consequence of being unable to pay their creditors money that they are owed - this includes everyone from Strathclyde Police & other clubs to the local newsagent. The players are still getting paid though... even though they did agree to reduced pay for a few months.


The effect of liquidation means that they can not play in Europe as they cannot produce 3 years of accounts and in essence they can not play football in Scotland as they also have to show 3 years of accounts. Charles Green has formed a new company which as bought all of Rangers assets.


The players, incidentally have the choice to walk away for free or have the new company take them on on their existing contract.

Their are criminal investigations beginning in to the sale of the club between David Murray & Craig White, the current adminstrators, Duff & Phelps, have been required to report to the Court of Session on their work and whether there were possible conflicts of interest (they were advising Craig White before the were appointed and have done little to realise value for creditors), an SFA Tribunal has yet to determine what sanctions the club will face aftyer witholding PAYE & NI payments last season, McCoist is close to being charged for brining the game in to disrepute for naming members of the above tribunal which led to some of the more extreme elements of their support making all sorts of fun threats; and the Tax case over the use of tax avoidance hasn't even reported back yet.

The Charles Green Newco doesn't have a license to play football in any league at the moment (their SPL share is non-transferrable - which is what other SPL Chairmen were being asked to vote on). they also don't have any players at the moment as oldco Rangers players haven't transferred over. They also apparently don't have any corporate banking facilities yet and their is confussion as to whether they actually own the other Oldco Rangers assets yet.

 

[StevieM]

Heard it was something to voting power within sfa

Old firm have a grip on this

The other clubs eg hearts/hibs see this as their chance to create a level playing field for themselves

As things stand in the EPL - with the Sky Sports money it's something like, 40% is distributed evenly between clubs, 40% is distributed based on where you finish in the League and the remaining 20% is handed out depending on how many games Sky show.

In Scotland, it;s something like 90% is split between Rangers & Celtic with the remain 10% split between the other clubs.

The SPL boards has a voting structre whereby any changes have to be passed by a 11-1 majourity, which basically means the 2 Old Firm teams can dictate what they want to every other team and block any changes they don't like.

The other SPL Chairmen absolutely do see an opportunity to have more of a say in the game - and so they should.

 

[LarryHagman]

I don't blame the other chairmen for trying to get rid of the fuckers.

At the end of the day though, meh. I'd rather eat dog shit than watch Scottish footy.

 

[StevieM]

.... and another thing.... Rangers aren't looking to just enter the English League. That would be too difficult and take too long.

They might be looking to buy a team in England (Bury being the one they were linked with recently), then change that teams name to Glasgow Ranger and move their home games to Ibrox.

Does anyone remember when some consortium were talking about moving Wimbeldon to Dublin a few years back, before they ended up moving to Milton Keynes.

The last team to be liquidated in Scotland, a few years back was Airdrieonians - who were reformed as Airdrie Utd, then refused entry to the 3rd division and subsequently bought Clydebank FC and merged them with Airdrie Utd.

The main reason Airdrieonians went bankrupt was due to being forced into adminstration & liquidation because of unpaid bills for steel used in the construction of their new 9,000 capacity stadium. The money was owed to Murray International Metals - owned by David Murray the then Chairman of Rangers and it was he who started the proceedings against Airdrieonians, alledgedly stating "business is business".

As things stand in Scotland, the club know as Glasgow Rangers will cease to exist once they formerly enter liquidation in a few weeks. A new club is supposed to be able to provide 3 years of accounts before being eligible to apply for membership of the SFL.

Airdrie Utd, will be one of the teams asked to vote on whether to bend the rules to allow Newco Rangers back into the SFL as the SPL teams have knocked them back. I wonder if it'll be "business is business" again.

The SFA is currently working with the SPL and SFL to try and work out a deal which might involve restructuring the entire league system ins Scotland. It's based on the McLeish Report which has been kicking about for a few years. The mad rush to implement the McLeish Report started about a week ago after the first SPL teams openly declared they would not support Newco Rangers being admitted to the SPL. The SFA is driving these changes.

The SFA's Chairmam, Campbel Ogilvie, was General Secretary of Rangers FC, up until 2005 and was the person who would have signed off on Rangers accounts while they were running up the debt that ultimately killed them and when they were usimg illegal un-registered secondary contractual payments through an EBT scheme to avoid paying tax. If found quilty of using these illegal secondary contracts, Rangers could be guilty of fielding ineligible players and have the trophies from the Murray era expunged from the history books.

Campbell Ogilvie also personally received money through the EBT scheme.

Rangers most likely way out is to buy another team and re-name them Rangers. The most likely team is thought to be Cowdenbeath.

Cowdebeath's Chairman is Donald Findlay QC, who in 1999 caused a controversey after a video was leaked of him signing "The Sash" at a Rangers party after a cup final win and subsequently had to resign from his position as....... Vice Chairman of Rangers FC under David Murray.

 

[Athens]

I knew StevieM was the man to ask about this.

 

[Sunny]

I don't give a fuck where Rangers go as long as its not England. Firstly, the Scots who keep on banging on about their desire to have their own country yet want to reap the rewards that something in England may provide them when it suits is fucking hypocrisy. The other thing is they can keep their twisted religious bullshit bigotry limited to north of the Scottish and Irish borders. It's pointless and not welcome. I remember sitting at Anfield when two LFC bellends were attempting to have a "flag off". One with an Irish flag and one with a red hand flag. They got put straight. No place at Anfield for that. We've had some Northern Irish nobs in the King Harry wearing LFC tops pissed as arseholes cheering Rangers on the last game of the season last year waving their red hand flag round and making people edgy. The atmosphere was getting tense at one point.this is LFC fans with each other ! They had that flag pinned up on the wall of the Harry the day before as they were staying there until I'd walked in a told the girl running place it would cause trouble and took it down . Cheeky cunts. Took our This Is Anfield flag down to put that piece of antagonistic shite up. Don't get me wrong here either, I think both sides are as bad as each other. It's pathetic legacy bullshit that people need to move on from and has no place in football and certainly not football so no thanks Rangers. If they come Celtic will soon follow as well too.

 

[Athens]

I used to work with a woman from Glasgow who was a massive Rangers fan. She was a complete bitch, I couldn't stand her. She used to spout complete drivel about them and would come off with the most bigoted stuff ever. She was even more bigoted than anyone from Belfast that I had met.

The most stupid thing she ever came off with was just after Rangers had returned from a match against Maccabi Haifa in Israel. The Rangers fans had been pulled for giving nazi salutes. She tried to justify this by saying they weren't nazi salutes, they were raising their hand because it was for the red hand of Ulster. Now, I grew up in Belfast and I have never heard of a hand in the air gesture representing the red hand of Ulster, but even if it did, would you in your right make such a gesture in Israel of all places?

She used to label catholics as lazy, stupid etc right in front of me knowing full well I was brought up a catholic. She was an absolute bitch and before her I was totally indifferent to Scottish football, now a part of me would want to see Rangers disappear just for her to suffer.

Does that make me come across as bitter?

 

[LeTallecWiz]

They were doing it in the Stadium as far as I remember Ruairi - will look for pic.

 

[LeTallecWiz]

Found it - it was against Hapoel Tel Aviv ... the one guy is doing it over an Israeli flag too ... ha ha, doofus:

 

[Athens]

You're right it was Hapoel Tel Aviv, my mistake. She was at it too. I wonder is she in this photo...

 

[LeTallecWiz]

You should have told me! I could have had her arrested at the airport, "Yah, this Irish bird leaving the country on this flight told her employee she wanted to leave a big bomb at the airport - best to give her the full interrogation."

 

[StevieM]

Playing in England will never fly.

Not all their fans are idiots, but a large percentage of them are, Like the Irish nebs who follow Celtic, many people follow them because of what the are supposed to represent politically or religiously, rather than for footballing issues.

Where I grew up, you picked an Englilsh team, usually Man Utd or Liverpool (with the odd Spurs or Arsenal supporter here and there). It was a given that you supported Rangers, if you paid any attention to Scottish football at all.

Some of the biggest bellends I have ever had the misfortune to cross paths with are Rangers fans - the sort of folk that were "advised" to leave Larne because even the normal run-of-the-mill dickheads couldn't stand them.

And some Celtic fans are definetely at least as bad. I once had the misfortune to be standing beside an Irish Liverpool/Celtic fan in Melbourne while watching a match on TV and having to enjoy him refer to Dirk Kuyt a dirty orange cunt constantly.

Anyway, while I have a little sympathy for "normal" Rangers fans, the fact that the world is now filled with brainless, knuckle dragging, arseholes not quite understanding that their beloved Rangers no longer exsists and if things pan out the way they might be, never will exists again.

Fat Ally McCoist said recently, "we are Rangers. We are the peepil. We don't do walking away".

This week about 9 of the first team squad have buggered off...

 

[Athens]

You should have told me! I could have had her arrested at the airport, "Yah, this Irish bird leaving the country on this flight told her employee she wanted to leave a big bomb at the airport - best to give her the full interrogation."

This was before I had joined SCM. Such a pity I missed that chance!

 

[LeTallecWiz]

This was before I had joined SCM. Such a pity I missed that chance!

A business partner of ours actually had a 2 hour stay in security - Now he's a good lad, and understand the 'game,' but he told me that standing in a room in his boxers while two men ask him questions was not the way he envisioned it when the nice Israeli girl pulled him to the side.

 

[Athens]

A business partner of ours actually had a 2 hour stay in security - Now he's a good lad, and understand the 'game,' but he told me that standing in a room in his boxers while two men ask him questions was not the way he envisioned it when the nice Israeli girl pulled him to the side.

You're not selling Israel as a holiday destination!

 

[LeTallecWiz]

You're not selling Israel as a holiday destination!

Ha ha - have I mentioned that every girl looks like Bar Raphaeli? 😛