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[quote author=Fabio link=topic=41990.msg1179294#msg1179294 date=1285088184]
[quote author=localny link=topic=41990.msg1179288#msg1179288 date=1285087984]
Can we all agree Rafa made some awful mistakes and it was infuriating at times to watch his decisions unfold

Can we also agree that some of our proudest and best moments over the past 20 years came during his reign.

Can we agree that he restored us to the European Elite with regularly solid performances and year on year qualification...

Can we agree he should have done better in the league but ultimately didn't.

Can we all agree we saw him as the Rafatollah in May 2005?

(pops off soapbox)

yay or nay?
[/quote]

yay, but with additions. This post is all (bar the first point) a positive slant that overlooks some issues:

Can we agree rafa alienated some of our better players?
Can we agree rafa wasted a lot of money on average players?
Can we agree Rafa then moaned about a lack of funds after deciding these players weren't good enough?

[/quote]

Yup, I can take these additions. Can you take this one...

Rafa signed some great players too - Torres, Alonso, Reina and Mascherano to name a few.

Sound fair?
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=41990.msg1179289#msg1179289 date=1285087992]
It's like getting a text a few months after you've finished a bird telling you some guy she's with now has got a fatter cock.

Whatever bitch, I hope you choke on it.
[/quote]

/end thread
 
Rafa's transfer record is available online if you'd like to read.

I just wish he'd shut the fuck up now.

If he wants to blame the Yanks/the Board/Pope Benedict for the shitty team we have the way half this forum has, fine.

Means nothing now.
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=41990.msg1179297#msg1179297 date=1285088266]
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=41990.msg1179294#msg1179294 date=1285088184]
[quote author=localny link=topic=41990.msg1179288#msg1179288 date=1285087984]
Can we all agree Rafa made some awful mistakes and it was infuriating at times to watch his decisions unfold

Can we also agree that some of our proudest and best moments over the past 20 years came during his reign.

Can we agree that he restored us to the European Elite with regularly solid performances and year on year qualification...

Can we agree he should have done better in the league but ultimately didn't.

Can we all agree we saw him as the Rafatollah in May 2005?

(pops off soapbox)

yay or nay?
[/quote]

yay, but with additions. This post is all (bar the first point) a positive slant that overlooks some issues:

Can we agree rafa alienated some of our better players?
Can we agree rafa wasted a lot of money on average players?
Can we agree Rafa then moaned about a lack of funds after deciding these players weren't good enough?

[/quote]

Yup, I can take these additions. Can you take this one...

Rafa signed some great players too - Torres, Alonso, Reina and Mascherano to name a few.

Sound fair?
[/quote]
As long as i can amend one of mine:

Can we agree rafa wasted a lot of money on average/shite players (e.g. Paletta, Riera, etc)?
 
[quote author=Whaddapie link=topic=41990.msg1179291#msg1179291 date=1285088053]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=41990.msg1179282#msg1179282 date=1285087637]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41990.msg1179275#msg1179275 date=1285087154]
Non-footballing people who saw he was crushing our first team squad with over-faith in shit players, expensive purchases which had no places first team squad. and a man who didn't watch players before buying them. 'Non-footballing people' saw him as a man who couldn't operate or build a squad even with decent funds, let alone on a tight budget; who alienated squad members and couldn't keep people happy at the club. 'Non-footballing people' saw he had tied down average players on expensive contracts which pushed the financial limitations of this club to the breaking point.

It doesn't matter if you're a 'football' person or not. What is equally important is ice cool logic, common sense, rationality, and a decent business mind. If he expects Inter to be run without these factors in mind then he better think again.

I like Rafa and respect what he has achieved in the game, but as a manager to operate in tough times with lots of power, he is not. There is no point in getting on his back here, however. He has admitted to making mistakes during his time here and that's good enough for me, and we all know he's not one for keeping his mouth shut. These quotes were inevitable and some time another.

He'll restore a reputation in Italy easy enough, but that will never convince me he was the man to continue on at this club. He had too much going against him, including his past mistakes in the market, and too many internal battles to face - so I still maintain he had to leave.
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but look what he acheived in his 6 years. we gave GH another season to restore his rep and rafa (despite achieveing more) wasn't given a similar year to turn things around.
[/quote]

Are you really going to dance this dance again..?

Rafa had a longer tenure than any modern LFC manager other than Shanks or Sir Bob. He did some wonderful things early on. Then, it all went to pot. Some of the reasons behind our decline during his reign were out of his control, but others were of his doing. It was time for him to go. And though he will probably lead Inter to much future success, that bears no relevance to the situation he left behind at Anfield, nor does alone it mean that we should have kept him.

I think most would consider this a reasonable statement. Why can't you just agree with that?
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normally I would agree but a mere months before liverpool were playing the best football in the country and in THAT season liverpool had a dip in form. rafa has in the past got liverpool playing a high level of footbal when many people had sad 'he'd lost the dressing' they were wrong then, who's to say they aren't wrong now?

I'm coming from the position of better the devil you know because we know at his best rafa is one of the best managers in europe. roy, on the other hand at his best has achieved, what exactly? you can say roy hasn't been given the oppertunity at a top class club, well he has been a manager for decades so you have to wonder why exactly that is.

put it another way, if liverpool weren't straddled to the back teeth with debt would be have employed roy? if the answer is no then why have we approached because we ARE in debt? you are either good enough or you're not.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41990.msg1179319#msg1179319 date=1285089022]
Why do we all need to agree on anything?
[/quote]

Because i'm right, and i'm enlightening everyone

*smokes pipe*
 
In Rafa's last three seasons, we played glorious football for 4 months or so.

Other than that, it was awful stuff, almost all of the time. It sucked the joy out of the game for the fans, and it looked like the players echoed their sentiments.

True, he might have turned it around. But it certainly looked to me like it had gone way beyond the point of no return. Using that as our 'starting point', I'd rather risk the unknown than continue down the same path. Because if he didn't turn it around, it would only have gotten worse still.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=41990.msg1179319#msg1179319 date=1285089022]
Why do we all need to agree on anything?
[/quote]

We don't, of course.

But the "Rafa was great in 2005, so..." or "Roy WILL fail here because he's never won the league" or "Rafa will prove his might by steering Inter to another title" type logic is always something I oppose...

It just doesn't make sense.
 
When did we play "glorious football" ?

I remember a period where we scored bucket loads of goals, but it was all route one football.
 
Historic agreement between Pro and Not so Pro Rafa fans is on the table, that will end all debate

Can we all agree Rafa made some awful mistakes and it was infuriating at times to watch his decisions unfold

Can we also agree that some of our proudest and best moments over the past 20 years came during his reign.

Can we agree that he restored us to the European Elite with regularly solid performances and almost year on year qualification...

Can we agree he should have done better in the league but ultimately didn't.

Can we all agree we saw him as the Rafatollah in May 2005?

Can we agree rafa alienated some of our better players?

Can we agree Rafa then moaned about a lack of funds after deciding these players weren't good enough?

Can we agree Rafa signed some great players too - Torres, Alonso, Reina and Mascherano to name a few.

Can we agree rafa wasted a lot of money on average/shite players (e.g. Paletta, Riera, etc)?

========================

IN future generations, children will point to this thread to understand the rafa years...and end their debates...
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=41990.msg1179343#msg1179343 date=1285089784]
Historic agreement between Pro and Not so Pro Rafa fans is on the table, that will end all debate

Can we all agree Rafa made some awful mistakes and it was infuriating at times to watch his decisions unfold

Can we also agree that some of our proudest and best moments over the past 20 years came during his reign.

Can we agree that he restored us to the European Elite with regularly solid performances and almost year on year qualification...

Can we agree he should have done better in the league but ultimately didn't.

Can we all agree we saw him as the Rafatollah in May 2005?

Can we agree rafa alienated some of our better players?

Can we agree Rafa then moaned about a lack of funds after deciding these players weren't good enough?

Can we agree Rafa signed some great players too - Torres, Alonso, Reina and Mascherano to name a few.

Can we agree rafa wasted a lot of money on average/shite players (e.g. Paletta, Riera, etc)?

========================

IN future generations, children will point to this thread to understand the rafa years...and end their debates...
[/quote]

As historic as the magna carta
 
[quote author=crump link=topic=41990.msg1179289#msg1179289 date=1285087992]
It's like getting a text a few months after you've finished a bird telling you some guy she's with now has got a fatter cock.

Whatever bitch, I hope you choke on it.
[/quote]

I thought it was obvious that all guys has a fatter cock than you. It is not just the limited length that you should worry about... so dont let their text get to you... 😉 😉
 
I was thinking Good Friday Agreement / Dayton Accord etc. Who can disagree with these facts.
 
[quote author=Fabio link=topic=41990.msg1179269#msg1179269 date=1285086932]
[quote author=Asbo link=topic=41990.msg1179263#msg1179263 date=1285086739]
[quote author=kingjulian link=topic=41990.msg1179237#msg1179237 date=1285085699]
[quote author=Richey link=topic=41990.msg1179220#msg1179220 date=1285085242]
Fuck's sake. He's like an ex who keeps trying to rub it in how great their new partner is.

Yes i'm sure everything is lovely now Rafa and i'm sure getting the sack was the best thing that happened to you but please just enjoy your perfect new job quietly and leave us out of it.
[/quote]

This.

But i'd imagine Rafa would rub it in quite a few more times, while completely absolving himself off any blame for the plight we are in. If he had any class he would realize that he deserved to get the sack and just be happy that he was still able to get a top of the line job.....but this is Rafa.
[/quote]


Yeah I mean getting us to at least a European Semi Final in everyone of his seasons here and 4-5 finals two of them European Cup Finals, his CV is shit isn't it?
[/quote]

wrong

year after we won it benfica knocked us out in the last 16. Simao screamer at anfield
[/quote]

True but we won the FA Cup that year 🙂
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=41990.msg1179272#msg1179272 date=1285087089]
And quarters in 2009
[/quote]

True but we almost won the League that year 🙂
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=41990.msg1179343#msg1179343 date=1285089784]
Historic agreement between Pro and Not so Pro Rafa fans is on the table, that will end all debate

Can we all agree Rafa made some awful mistakes and it was infuriating at times to watch his decisions unfold

Can we also agree that some of our proudest and best moments over the past 20 years came during his reign.

Can we agree that he restored us to the European Elite with regularly solid performances and almost year on year qualification but ultimately took us back to the UEFA Cup, a tournament we hadn't qualified for since 2001.

Can we agree he should have done better in the league but ultimately didn't.

Can we all agree we saw him as the Rafatollah in May 2005?

Can we agree rafa alienated some of our better players?

Can we agree Rafa then moaned about a lack of funds after deciding these players weren't good enough?

Can we agree Rafa signed some great players too - Torres, Alonso, Reina and Mascherano to name a few.

Can we agree rafa wasted a lot of money on average/shite players (e.g. Paletta, Riera, etc)?

========================

IN future generations, children will point to this thread to understand the rafa years...and end their debates...
[/quote]

fyp.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=41990.msg1179362#msg1179362 date=1285090538]
[quote author=localny link=topic=41990.msg1179343#msg1179343 date=1285089784]
Historic agreement between Pro and Not so Pro Rafa fans is on the table, that will end all debate

Can we all agree Rafa made some awful mistakes and it was infuriating at times to watch his decisions unfold

Can we also agree that some of our proudest and best moments over the past 20 years came during his reign.

Can we agree that he restored us to the European Elite with regularly solid performances and almost year on year qualification but ultimately took us back to the UEFA Cup, a tournament we hadn't qualified for since 2001.

Can we agree he should have done better in the league but ultimately didn't.

Can we all agree we saw him as the Rafatollah in May 2005?

Can we agree rafa alienated some of our better players?

Can we agree Rafa then moaned about a lack of funds after deciding these players weren't good enough?

Can we agree Rafa signed some great players too - Torres, Alonso, Reina and Mascherano to name a few.

Can we agree rafa wasted a lot of money on average/shite players (e.g. Paletta, Riera, etc)?

Can we agree he took us as close as we've been in 20 years to winning the league (2009) although Houllier did bring us to second as well, it wasn't as close.

========================

IN future generations, children will point to this thread to understand the rafa years...and end their debates...
[/quote]

fyp.
[/quote]
fmp!
 
i think that year it was an academic second and we never really were coming close to winning it...in rafa's challenge, there was a better chance we'd win it..
 
Wouldn't it just be better to stop discussing Rafa altogether?

Haven't we already done this to death?

He came, he conquered Europe but ultimately failed in his quest of snatching the local crown then promptly got the boot and left with his loot!
 
[quote author=localny link=topic=41990.msg1179391#msg1179391 date=1285091714]
i think that year it was an academic second and we never really were coming close to winning it...in rafa's challenge, there was a better chance we'd win it..
[/quote]

Are you just making it up as you go along?
 
Maybe Rafa is like santa. If you don't believe in him he doesn't exist
 
It's obvious to anyone with a fucking clue that Benitez was dealing with a board who know FUCK ALL about football - Purssssslow and Broughton being utterly and completely unqualified to appoint or dismiss any Liverpool football manager, operating as they do in an hermetically-sealed LFC bubble, with nobody who has any actual footballing know-how, or Liverpool Football Club pedigree, to help or influence their decisions.

One only has to look at how they rejected Kenny's overtures, in order to employ a geriatric, budgi-faced mediocrity to replace Benitez as clear evidence.

Nobody could argue with that without looking like a cunt.

HOWEVER, however much good Benitez did, however many great moments and trophies he delivered, nobody could say with a straight face that he did not fuck up often enough in his last year (and before that, but *especially* in his last, pitiful, awful season) to deserve the sack from any LFC board.

It could have been Kenny, Sir John Moores, and the ghosts of Bill and Bob on the board, and, as football men, they'd have come to the same conclusion: you've totally fucked up.

That board wouldn't have tolerated Purssslow, Broughton - or appointed Roy fucking Hodgson either - but they'd still probably have sacked Benitez.
 
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