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Agree the last sentence. We didn't always prove it last season, but I think you're right in terms of the fundamental ability within the team.

Overall, though, what worries me is not Rafa's wish to put things right (about which I also agree) so much as his ability to do so. IMO the rigidity of his thinking has been the source of too many self-inflicted wounds already, and I get the impression that he reckons he's bound to come out on top on just about any issue if only he ploughs on regardless. Is he capable of adapting when things go wrong? Does he even realise the need for such adaptation?
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40435.msg1110480#msg1110480 date=1275325417]
I won't be watching us next season.
[/quote]

sure you wont ros, sure...

can I quote you?
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40435.msg1110480#msg1110480 date=1275325417]
I won't be watching us next season.
[/quote]I don't think I will either mate. In fact i'm thinking of cancelling sky sports already.
 
I'll never stop watching us, cause that goes against pretty much everything I believe in.
Yes, we're in the shite, but we're still Liverpool football Club. I'm a fan and I'll be watching.

We'll be sold before you know it and then finally see some light at the end of the tunnel.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40435.msg1110480#msg1110480 date=1275325417]
I won't be watching us next season.
[/quote]

I will have your ticket for the Europa League final so.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40435.msg1110495#msg1110495 date=1275328284]
by not watching liverpool next season doesn't imply you hate rafa more than you love liverpool?
[/quote]

I support Liverpool. I get pissed off when we're playing shit, to the point of tearing my hair out, arguing with other fans, berating the team/manager/club/whatever, but we 'support' Liverpool, through thick and thin, the words of the song aren't just some hollow gesture, we're supposed to be the 'best fans in the World' and are renowned for our knowledge of the game and most importantly, our support.

So would I stop watching Liverpool because our manager has proven not quite good enough to get us what we want, despite him getting us our first European Cup in 21 years and taking us to another European Final? And winning us the FA Cup? And giving us Torres, Reina, Agger, Mascherano, Garcia, Alonso, Johnson (etc)?

Right.....................

He's done a shit job in the league and I doubt he'll ever get us there, but I'm not gonna start picking and choosing when I'll watch us, and only "singing when we're winning". That stuff is for the fans of those history-less blurts in South West London.
 
Yeah the true fan is the one that sits their dumbly cheering on a joke of a manager who is taking us headlong into mid table obscurity.

Well done.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40435.msg1110497#msg1110497 date=1275329081]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40435.msg1110495#msg1110495 date=1275328284]
by not watching liverpool next season doesn't imply you hate rafa more than you love liverpool?
[/quote]

I support Liverpool. I get pissed off when we're playing shit, to the point of tearing my hair out, arguing with other fans, berating the team/manager/club/whatever, but we 'support' Liverpool, through thick and thin, the words of the song aren't just some hollow gesture, we're supposed to be the 'best fans in the World' and are renowned for our knowledge of the game and most importantly, our support.

So would I stop watching Liverpool because our manager has proven not quite good enough to get us what we want, despite him getting us our first European Cup in 21 years and taking us to another European Final? And winning us the FA Cup? And giving us Torres, Reina, Agger, Mascherano, Garcia, Alonso, Johnson (etc)?

Right.....................

He's done a shit job in the league and I doubt he'll ever get us there, but I'm not gonna start picking and choosing when I'll watch us, and only "singing when we're winning". That stuff is for the fans of those history-less blurts in South West London.
[/quote]

extremely good post mark

YNWA - sung to pass the time before a match
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40435.msg1110503#msg1110503 date=1275329760]
Yeah the true fan is the one that sits their dumbly cheering on a joke of a manager who is taking us headlong into mid table obscurity.

Well done.
[/quote]

I think most fans cheer on the team, not the manager, though of course if the manager does well he gets the due credit, if he does shit he gets deserved criticism. Avoiding watching the team because you don't like the manager, or the board or whatever is just pointless, get behind the team instead. By all accounts next season they'll need all the support they can get.
 
I don't know, supporting a football club shouldn't be some sort of burden you carry around with you. If the love is gone and you're getting nothing out of it - it's probably worth taking a break and coming back to it.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=40435.msg1110503#msg1110503 date=1275329760]
Yeah the true fan is the one that sits their dumbly cheering on a joke of a manager who is taking us headlong into mid table obscurity.

Well done.
[/quote]

who said anything about cheering? you said you wouldn't watch, full stop.
 
That debate isn't easy to win at in this situation Ross, as there aren't many other managers that can manage us in the state we're in.

If we had any money at all, and a healty financial future a head of us, we all know Rafa wouldn't be here.

For now, he's the best solution. But my support is for the team. Liverpool the club. Through a storm and all that y'know.
 
[quote author=keniget link=topic=40435.msg1110507#msg1110507 date=1275330110]
I don't know, supporting a football club shouldn't be some sort of burden you carry around with you. If the love is gone and you're getting nothing out of it - it's probably worth taking a break and coming back to it.
[/quote]

That's not really the point being made though is it? If we're having a shit time of it I have (on only a few occasions) skipped watching us to 'take a break' from us for my own sanity. It's May and a whole Summer is ahead where anything (good or bad), can still happen to us. There's a difference between taking a break and saying you won't bother watching us next season because of who the manager is/might be.
 
I don't agree totally with that Mark.
I've supported Liverpool since about 1978. And I've never felt as apathetic about the team as I do right now.
It's not just Benitez, yes I hate that chancer, but I equally hate most of the players, the owners, and most of those in authority at the club. I hate the premier league and this sky sports fandom generation. I hate the grubby money bleeding cunts at the top of the game. I hate the ridiculous commerciality of our league, and the sport in general. I hate the gobshite millionaires we've manufactured, this chav, bling, escalade driving, diamanté mobile phone carrying wag shagging fuckwittery and all they debase themselves with. I hate Reading that Gerrard, Carragher et al were disgusted that their 100k a week salaries weren't increased at every opportunity. I hate blag player loyalties and lying scheming shitbag agents. I hate the monstrosity of the British sports press.
I'm growing to hate the game and all those involved in it. And this year my girl goes to school, meaning Misred is going to have to leave her job, meaning that money that's already too right to mention will be all gone completely. And spending 30 quid a month and throwing that cash into the smorgasbord of that already listed isn't gonna fly. In particular when we (and this is all Rafa) play such shite arsed piss weak dull as dishwater negative boring pussyole bland football.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40435.msg1110497#msg1110497 date=1275329081]
we're supposed to be the 'best fans in the World' and are renowned for our knowledge of the game and most importantly, our support.

[/quote]

I don't want to offend anyone but I find this 'best and most knowledgeable fans in the world stuff' really tedious and very embarrassing.
 
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40435.msg1110515#msg1110515 date=1275330592]
I'm going to support liverpool when every thing is tickety boo and fuck off when things go tits up! yay!
[/quote]Good! Things HAVE gone tits up.
Fuck off then.
 
[quote author=Herr Onceared link=topic=40435.msg1110514#msg1110514 date=1275330559]
I don't agree totally with that Mark.
I've supported Liverpool since about 1978. And I've never felt as apathetic about the team as I do right now.
It's not just Benitez, yes I hate that chancer, but I equally hate most of the players, the owners, and most of those in authority at the club. I hate the premier league and this sky sports fandom generation. I hate the grubby money bleeding cunts at the top of the game. I hate the ridiculous commerciality of our league, and the sport in general. I hate the gobshite millionaires we've manufactured, this chav, bling, escalade driving, diamanté mobile phone carrying wag shagging fuckwittery and all they debase themselves with. I hate Reading that Gerrard, Carragher et al were disgusted that their 100k a week salaries weren't increased at every opportunity. I hate blag player loyalties and lying scheming shitbag agents. I hate the monstrosity of the British sports press.
I'm growing to hate the game and all those involved in it. And this year my girl goes to school, meaning Misred is going to have to leave her job, meaning that money that's already too right to mention will be all gone completely. And spending 30 quid a month and throwing that cash into the smorgasbord of that already listed isn't gonna fly. In particular when we (and this is all Rafa) play such shite arsed piss weak dull as dishwater negative boring pussyole bland football.

[/quote]

YNWA
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40435.msg1110497#msg1110497 date=1275329081]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40435.msg1110495#msg1110495 date=1275328284]
by not watching liverpool next season doesn't imply you hate rafa more than you love liverpool?
[/quote]

I support Liverpool. I get pissed off when we're playing shit, to the point of tearing my hair out, arguing with other fans, berating the team/manager/club/whatever, but we 'support' Liverpool, through thick and thin, the words of the song aren't just some hollow gesture, we're supposed to be the 'best fans in the World' and are renowned for our knowledge of the game and most importantly, our support.

So would I stop watching Liverpool because our manager has proven not quite good enough to get us what we want, despite him getting us our first European Cup in 21 years and taking us to another European Final? And winning us the FA Cup? And giving us Torres, Reina, Agger, Mascherano, Garcia, Alonso, Johnson (etc)?

Right.....................

He's done a shit job in the league and I doubt he'll ever get us there, but I'm not gonna start picking and choosing when I'll watch us, and only "singing when we're winning". That stuff is for the fans of those history-less blurts in South West London.
[/quote]

I think Rosco was probably joking, Mark. As was I, just in case you were wondering.
 
Oops, just read the third page and it turns out he wasn't joking (probably).

Nice post by Andy, and I agree with a lot of it, but you wouldn't be saying that if we were winning the league so I think that kind of voids your point a bit.
 
[quote author=mark1975 link=topic=40435.msg1110497#msg1110497 date=1275329081]
[quote author=spider-neil link=topic=40435.msg1110495#msg1110495 date=1275328284]
by not watching liverpool next season doesn't imply you hate rafa more than you love liverpool?
[/quote]

I support Liverpool. I get pissed off when we're playing shit, to the point of tearing my hair out, arguing with other fans, berating the team/manager/club/whatever, but we 'support' Liverpool, through thick and thin, the words of the song aren't just some hollow gesture, we're supposed to be the 'best fans in the World' and are renowned for our knowledge of the game and most importantly, our support.

So would I stop watching Liverpool because our manager has proven not quite good enough to get us what we want, despite him getting us our first European Cup in 21 years and taking us to another European Final? And winning us the FA Cup? And giving us Torres, Reina, Agger, Mascherano, Garcia, Alonso, Johnson (etc)?

Right.....................

He's done a shit job in the league and I doubt he'll ever get us there, but I'm not gonna start picking and choosing when I'll watch us, and only "singing when we're winning". That stuff is for the fans of those history-less blurts in South West London.
[/quote]

Cracking post
 
[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=40435.msg1110498#msg1110498 date=1275329394]
Isnt Hiddink a good option to replace Raphael?
[/quote]

Hasn't he gone to Turkey?
 
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