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Rafa confirmed as new Chelsea boss

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RedZeppelin III said:
well did we have to start with a raft ? I mean lets call a spade a spade , have we ever given the job to a manager who's done less in the game ? Hey here's hoping it works out but if it doesn't it won't be too much of a surprise .
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Kenny or Comolli (or both of 'em) did poorly and unfortunately set us back with terrible purchases. So we had a very weak squad, and a pathetic last day cost us again.

To answer your question, check out our 60s-80s history if you're talking about 'managerial experience,' or how about Valencia hiring some unknown in the mid 90s by the name of Rafael Benetiz. Yah ... That never works, I know.**

I guess it's nice that one 'hopes it works out' but how does it work if you've already given up on your manager and basically want him out?


** I have NO IDEA if Rodgers will be successful or not - I like what I see, and I think the odds are good. But I'm wrong as much as anyone else, and he could very well fail miserably and get fired this year, next year whatever. However, I still see enough positives to believe he can build a contender here within the next 2-3 years if he gets decent financial backing (What Rafa or Kenny got)
 
LeTallecWiz said:
Kenny or Comolli (or both of 'em) did poorly and unfortunately set us back with terrible purchases. So we had a very weak squad, and a pathetic last day cost us again.

To answer your question, check out our 60s-80s history if you're talking about 'managerial experience,' or how about Valencia hiring some unknown in the mid 90s by the name of Rafael Benetiz. Yah ... That never works, I know.

I guess it's nice that one 'hopes it works out' but how does it work if you've already given up on your manager and basically want him out?
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Rafa took over a well run club and team that had just been in back to back champions league finals . so he wasn't exactly building from scratch . But i get your point , obviously managers need someone to give then a chance and can be successful . I'm just not sure if the time was right for us to give Rodgers that chance or if he'd done enough in his career to suggest he deserved it or was up for the job .

And where did i say i had given up on him or wanted him out ? I'm just not going to bury my head in the sand and think everything is going to be fine because he's given some young players a chance and supposedly wants to play tiki-taka . So far most of it's been talk and theory, that's fine, but it's time to start proving he's a good as people believe . Like i said before i had my doubts he was the right man for the job so i want to see signs that he has what it takes.

Anyway there is no real point debating this .
 
RedZeppelin III said:
Rafa took over a well run club and team that had just been in back to back champions league finals . so he wasn't exactly building from scratch . But i get your point , obviously managers need someone to give then a chance and can be successful . I'm just not sure if the time was right for us to give Rodgers that chance or if he'd done enough in his career to suggest he deserved it or was up for the job .

And where did i say i had given up on him or wanted him out ? I'm just not going to bury my head in the sand and think everything is going to be fine because he's given some young players a chance and supposedly wants to play Liverpool Groove. So far most of it's been talk and theory, that's fine, but it's time to start proving he's a good as people believe . Like i said before i had my doubts he was the right man for the job so i want to see signs that he has what it takes.

Anyway there is no real point debating this .
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Good point re: Valencia, but they still took a gamble on a young manager (I don't remember if he was highly rated or not, I'm sure someone can refresh our memories though).

As I said in my previous wrap up, I don't know if he'll succeed. My gut says yes - I like a lot of what he does. My head? Still unsure.

Maybe it's not you, but it seems there's more and more posters saying it would be good for us to let him go now etc ... I just think that's insane. We're building something here - and we can't afford to be on manager #5 in 3 odd years. We need to give him a bit more time, but I've seen a lot that I like so far (obviously there's things I don't like).

Time will tell what happens ... I hope we're all ecstatic with his appointment in a few years time when we're back where we should be ... If not, well ... we've done it for 20+ years, what's another 5? 😛
 
Good summary, Wizzy.

IMO comparisons with Hodgson and Kenny are pointless. Hodgson was clearly leading us down a blind alley from the beginning and, while I wanted Kenny to be given more time to put things right, (a) he had more time than Rodgers has so far and (b) he made poor choices with the windfall the owners gave him, so it wasn't entirely unreasonable that they lost trust in him. The style which Rodgers is aiming for is one which takes us back to the football of our glory days (which themselves didn't happen overnight) and he had success implementing it at Swansea. He's entitled to more than the few months he's had so far.
 
peterhague said:
Of course not. Rafa's a better manager and less of a dork.

That dweeb John Henry fucked up.
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Well we'll see won't we? He's managing the European Champions, with loads of good, expensive players. Shouldn't be a walk in the park for a great manager like him shouldn't it?
 
Not really fair, though. They shouldn't have got near the final last year, they're the Dutch of club football as far as internal relations are concerned and even their own fans, prior to the sacking, accepted they were in transition.
 
Yes, Rodgers is a dork. A skint dork with a thread bare squad and without the luxury of tossing away millions on shite like Robbie Keane and Aquilani.

NET SPEND!!!!!!!!!!! Whoopdyfuckingdoo.
 
There's a bigger issue here: and that's the fact that FSG aren't putting a lot of money into the club, despite getting it for a song. I personally expected more. And yes, Kennolli spent badly, - so we have to spend a few seasons buying sub par cheap players as a result? I don't see other clubs spending/reacting like that. Clubs accept they spend badly and get back in the saddle the next Window. This club needed an owner who would make a strong initial investment to rebuild the side. What they've spent (NET), is just not enough when you look around the league.

I didn't expect to still be stuck in financial thrift at this point. It's just not good enough.

Go buy another winger, and two decent strikers. It'll pay for itself in CL revenues in two or three seasons.
 
What club (that doesn't have massive success) spends big, and then spends big again to counteract a fuck up.

No one.

Mainly because it's probably the worst transfer window in the history of football, let alone Liverpool fc
 
Fabio said:
What club (that doesn't have massive success) spends big, and then spends big again to counteract a fuck up.

No one.

Mainly because it's probably the worst transfer window in the history of football, let alone Liverpool fc
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Quite, and that was on the back of pathetic purchases like Dossena, Aquilani, Keane, etc.

Oh, and all hail the emergence of recent youngsters, it only took investment in a ridiculous and extortionate amount of young players to get there.
 
localny said:
There's a bigger issue here: and that's the fact that FSG aren't putting a lot of money into the club, despite getting it for a song. I personally expected more. And yes, Kennolli spent badly, - so we have to spend a few seasons buying sub par cheap players as a result? I don't see other clubs spending/reacting like that. Clubs accept they spend badly and get back in the saddle the next Window. This club needed an owner who would make a strong initial investment to rebuild the side. What they've spent (NET), is just not enough when you look around the league.

I didn't expect to still be stuck in financial thrift at this point. It's just not good enough.

Go buy another winger, and two decent strikers. It'll pay for itself in CL revenues in two or three seasons.
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Absolutely right.
 
Champions league probably isn't as lucrative as some think. Sure you may get 20m, but most of that will probably be swallowed up by having to increase your wages for all your players(I'm sure most have performance clauses in their contracts, or at least would try renegotiate if not) and having to pay more for players than we would if we were not in the CL. It wouldn't mean we would have 20m to go out and spend on a player. Nor would it be wise to spend that 20m before we even got there, or we could end up like Leeds.
 
Even discussing Champions League revenue is like a tramp lying in a ditch pondering if it would be worth dining at the Ivy every other week.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
Champions league probably isn't as lucrative as some think. Sure you may get 20m, but most of that will probably be swallowed up by having to increase your wages for all your players(I'm sure most have performance clauses in their contracts, or at least would try renegotiate if not) and having to pay more for players than we would if we were not in the CL. It wouldn't mean we would have 20m to go out and spend on a player. Nor would it be wise to spend that 20m before we even got there, or we could end up like Leeds.
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http://www.uefa.com/MultimediaFiles/Download/uefaorg/Finance/01/66/11/07/1661107_DOWNLOAD.pdf

Doesn't include tv money.
 
Gerry_A_Trick said:
I had taken a guess at 20m, but whatever it is, your costs usually rise as income rises. And just because you take in more, doesn't mean you will have all that amount to spend, you may have a portion of it.
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Yes, but costs such as an associated rise in wages are not a deadweight: they imply an improvement in the squad and a better chance of challenging for the title and other trophies - and isn't that the point?
 
peterhague said:
Yes, but costs such as an associated rise in wages are not a deadweight: they imply an improvement in the squad and a better chance of challenging for the title and other trophies - and isn't that the point?
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Yeah, but I was addressing the point that someone suggested spending the money we'd gain from being in the CL before we got into it, with money that even if we got it, would probably not be available.
 
Fabio said:
What club (that doesn't have massive success) spends big, and then spends big again to counteract a fuck up.

No one.

Mainly because it's probably the worst transfer window in the history of football, let alone Liverpool fc
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It's a bigger foul up, to allow one bad window, to depreciate a squad further by failing to rectify the error. So not only did we buy badly, but we're going to continue to look for "value", and allow our squad to fall even further behind. Pretty soon, our best players are going downhill, and you've got to buy even more to have a decent squad.If you're not in the CL, you are playing catch-up, and if you're not even coming close to the CL, then it's decline.

I know FSG are better than the last two, and I respect them in many other ways. There's a many positives to what they have done, but you can't sit back and hope to make the CL on a shoestring. Even if they feel burnt by the atrocious business done by Kennoli.

They got the business for a song, they should be investing more than $35M net. Otherwise, they are just doing a Randy Lerner. Happy with the status quo. We're Liverpool, we should be expecting Owners that will do more to initially make up for the bad years 2009-2012 of underinvestment, even if they screwed up with Carroll and Downing.
 
It would honestly surprise me if they're happy with the status quo. I don't say that because I'm starry-eyed about FSG - on the contrary, I say it because I'm quite sure they're ultimately in it for the money and the status quo won't give them much of a return, if any. My guess is that the problem is a combination of (a) their cashflow being tight at the moment (I base that guess on reports that they're looking to let the Red Sox go) and (b) the initial success they had with the Sox being based largely on value for money as opposed to spending great heaps of it.

The real question for FSG is this IMO: have they turned the money tap down low at the right time? In an announcement shortly after the summer transfer window closed, they admitted that Brendan Rodgers had been left short in the striker department, so I have a degree of hope that they've accepted the need to address that in January. We'll see then to what extent they've taken the point.
 
3-1 West Ham Oh deary me - is agent Rafa going for the shortest reign in premier league managerial history, nice to see another club in complete disarray for a change - can just see the veins bulging and throbbing on those Chelsea fans' shaved heads - luvverrrly. Should be some fun on the phone-ins tonight
 
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