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Very few would deny that his overall record on transfers is quite good, Froggy.

But sometimes the continual references to the 'uneven playing field' and the expenditure of the Scum and Chelsea and Citeh and how the evil Yanks aren't 'backing' him wear a little thin, which was the exact reason Ross put the table up.
 
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[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=35468.msg933140#msg933140 date=1251315238]
What is this thread for actually Rosco??

as in what are you actuaylly trying to say??
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I'm not trying to say anything.

It's just info.
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Bollocks!!!

You have had a bug in your arse over spending for a while!!!
 
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In the year Benitez took charge Manchester United finished third, 15 points behind Arsenal

And for the money that has been spent, it's safe to say our overall squad should be better.
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And we're 15 odd points ahead of us, besides it's better to talk about the position Benitez pick us up in, not the position we were in after a season of him being in charge, when Benitez joined Liverpool they'd just finished 4th two points ahead of Newcastle(lmao), 17 points behind United and 32 points behind the leaders.

I think the level of improvement Rafa has brought us is clear to see.
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Uh what? Have you got your year mixed up? You said United were already winning titles when Benitez took over. They weren't. They were finishing third behind Arsenal and Chelsea, so any comparison is completely fair, IMO.

And sure we've improved but after spending all that money our backup strikers are N'gog, Voronin and Babel. Come on...

He's signed some great players for good fees but regardless of budget, there's just been far too many flops, and it's costing us now.  
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Imagine if when Rafa took over, both Ferguson and Rafa had to sell their entire squad.  Who would make more money on the sale? 

That's right, it isn't even close.

Rafa certainly has bought some crap, but the idea that they were at the same starting point is stupid.  We were blatantly a far FAR worse team. 
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You're right, I went overboard with the last sentence. But there's a myth that United already had a title winning team when Rafa took over, which is clearly bollocks because they didn't win it for 3 years after he signed. Chelsea's spending of made things more difficult but that doesn't change the fact United were at their weakest, and have improved substantially since Rafa's took over. 
 
When Rafa arrived United already had players of the quality of Ronaldo, Ferdinand, Heinze, Saha, v.Nistelrooy & Forlan. They probably finished 3rd that season because they were in transition after moving on Beckham, Barthez and Veron.

However since Rafa has been here United have also bought : Rooney (27M), Carrick (18.5M), Anderson (15M), Vidic (7M), Van d Saar (2.5), Park (4M), Berbatov (31M), Valencia (16M), Evra (5.5), Hargreaves (17M) De Silva (2.5), Nani (13.5M) & Owen (free) - all 1st team or prime subs now. Total ca. 160M. without mentioning a few 5M players still in the reserves. Ferguson has also moved on 58 players in that time-frame, including plenty he bought for 5 - 10M.

At this moment in time I find it hard to look at that United team and say it is superior to ours.
 
has any other manager spent 20 million on an injured and historically injury prone player before?
 
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Ruud van Nistelrooy?
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Wasn't injured when united brought him, and hardly historically injured was he
 
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[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35468.msg933490#msg933490 date=1251383532]
Ruud van Nistelrooy?
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Wasn't injured when united brought him, and hardly historically injured was he
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60 odd games in 3 seasons doesn't seem to suggest he was fit all of the time.
 
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[quote author=Asim link=topic=35468.msg933491#msg933491 date=1251383693]
[quote author=Rafa4PM link=topic=35468.msg933490#msg933490 date=1251383532]
Ruud van Nistelrooy?
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Wasn't injured when united brought him, and hardly historically injured was he
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60 odd games in 3 seasons doesn't seem to suggest he was fit all of the time.


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Ginsoak wanted him before he did his leg; he waited and took him when he was fit.

Still,Aquilani might prove to be an inspired signing.

Hope so.
 
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has any other manager spent 20 million on an injured and historically injury prone player before?
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Seeing as the trensfer market has been greatly inflated only recently, you've hardly taken a gamble asking such a question. :🙂 You might as well ask if any other manager has spent as much as Mark Hughes.
 
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[quote author=rage link=topic=35468.msg933469#msg933469 date=1251380849]
has any other manager spent 20 million on an injured and historically injury prone player before?
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Seeing as the trensfer market has been greatly inflated only recently, you've hardly taken a gamble asking such a question. :🙂 You might as well ask if any other manager has spent as much as Mark Hughes.
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that's only valid if you are stupid enough to think that mark hughes is spending the money 😉
 
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[quote author=rage link=topic=35468.msg933469#msg933469 date=1251380849]
has any other manager spent 20 million on an injured and historically injury prone player before?
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Seeing as the trensfer market has been greatly inflated only recently, you've hardly taken a gamble asking such a question. :🙂 You might as well ask if any other manager has spent as much as Mark Hughes.
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that's only valid if you are stupid enough to think that mark hughes is spending the money 😉
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Have you ever followed the logic of ANY discussion?
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=35468.msg933654#msg933654 date=1251395102]
my point is valid whether you accept it or not.
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Have you been hit on the head recently?
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=35468.msg933469#msg933469 date=1251380849]
has any other manager spent 20 million on an injured and historically injury prone player before?
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Oh will you fuck off you tedious prick
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=35468.msg933654#msg933654 date=1251395102]
what do you think? come on my point is valid whether you accept it or not.
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Rage,his point is that it isn't Rafa's fault this market is so inflated.

As to whether he shld have gambled on an injury-prone player to replace our best player last season, that's another story.
 
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[quote author=rage link=topic=35468.msg933654#msg933654 date=1251395102]
what do you think? come on my point is valid whether you accept it or not.
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Rage,his point is that it isn't Rafa's fault this market is so inflated.

As to whether he shld have gambled on an injury-prone player to replace our best player last season, that's another story.
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and paid 20 million for him - see my point is that rafa has had plenty of money to spend but six seasons in we can barely get a strong 1st 11 out and have fuck all offensive strength in depth.

and as for you mystic, i know the truth hurts but less of the personal insults else i'll come round and shove that wand of yours up your arse sideways
 
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[quote author=rage link=topic=35468.msg933654#msg933654 date=1251395102]
what do you think? come on my point is valid whether you accept it or not.
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Rage,his point is that it isn't Rafa's fault this market is so inflated.

As to whether he shld have gambled on an injury-prone player to replace our best player last season, that's another story.
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and paid 20 million for him - see my point is that rafa has had plenty of money to spend but six seasons in we can barely get a strong 1st 11 out and have fuck all offensive strength in depth.

and as for you mystic, i know the truth hurts but less of the personal insults else i'll come round and shove that wand of yours up your arse sideways
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Well i'll hold your hand and teach you how to quote first, one of the many magical powers associated with my "wand" is the ability to use a simple internet forum.

I'd stop with the person insults if you stopped going on about the fucking Aquiliani deal in every post you make like your the one person who's noticed he has a bad injury record. It's tedious, every body knows this, shut up.

Rafa has had alot of money to spend over five years and he's improved the squad, remember the position we were in when he took over and compare it to now, it's simple we've progressed much more than United have.
 
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[quote author=rage link=topic=35468.msg933654#msg933654 date=1251395102]
what do you think?  come on my point is valid whether you accept it or not.
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Rage,his point is that it isn't Rafa's fault this market is so inflated.

As to whether he shld have gambled on an injury-prone player to replace our best player last season, that's another story.
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and paid 20 million for him - see my point is that rafa has had plenty of money to spend but six seasons in we can barely get a strong 1st 11 out and have fuck all offensive strength in depth.

and as for you mystic, i know the truth hurts but less of the personal insults else i'll come round and shove that wand of yours up your arse sideways
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Well i'll hold your hand and teach you how to quote first, one of the many magical powers associated with my "wand" is the ability to use a simple internet forum.

I'd stop with the person insults if you stopped going on about the fucking Aquiliani deal in every post you make like your the one person who's noticed he has a bad injury record. It's tedious, every body knows this, shut up.

Rafa has had alot of money to spend over five years and he's improved the squad, remember the position we were in when he took over and compare it to now, it's simple we've progressed much more than United have.
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The highlighted bit is very, very debatable.

You're right about Aquilani, though. Rage, how you criticise a transfer who hasn't even played yet?  Whenever Rafa's spent highly they've usually been a decent success. It's points like this that make you seem a little bit mental.
 
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[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=35468.msg933660#msg933660 date=1251395680]
[quote author=rage link=topic=35468.msg933654#msg933654 date=1251395102]
what do you think? come on my point is valid whether you accept it or not.
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Rage,his point is that it isn't Rafa's fault this market is so inflated.

As to whether he shld have gambled on an injury-prone player to replace our best player last season, that's another story.
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and paid 20 million for him - see my point is that rafa has had plenty of money to spend but six seasons in we can barely get a strong 1st 11 out and have fuck all offensive strength in depth.

and as for you mystic, i know the truth hurts but less of the personal insults else i'll come round and shove that wand of yours up your arse sideways
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Well i'll hold your hand and teach you how to quote first, one of the many magical powers associated with my "wand" is the ability to use a simple internet forum.

I'd stop with the person insults if you stopped going on about the fucking Aquiliani deal in every post you make like your the one person who's noticed he has a bad injury record. It's tedious, every body knows this, shut up.

Rafa has had alot of money to spend over five years and he's improved the squad, remember the position we were in when he took over and compare it to now, it's simple we've progressed much more than United have.
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I agree... and we have improved more than utd have because they have a good team already, we had shit and now we are equal if not better than them =]
As for aquilani, yeah he got injured but who gives a shit! he will get fit and then tear teams in the prem a new asshole =] so its 20mil well spent! and some of it is based on appearances so if it gets to 20mil then he must be doing something good!
 
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[quote author=Avmenon link=topic=35468.msg933660#msg933660 date=1251395680]
[quote author=rage link=topic=35468.msg933654#msg933654 date=1251395102]
what do you think? come on my point is valid whether you accept it or not.
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Rage,his point is that it isn't Rafa's fault this market is so inflated.

As to whether he shld have gambled on an injury-prone player to replace our best player last season, that's another story.
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and paid 20 million for him - see my point is that rafa has had plenty of money to spend but six seasons in we can barely get a strong 1st 11 out and have fuck all offensive strength in depth.

and as for you mystic, i know the truth hurts but less of the personal insults else i'll come round and shove that wand of yours up your arse sideways
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Well i'll hold your hand and teach you how to quote first, one of the many magical powers associated with my "wand" is the ability to use a simple internet forum.

I'd stop with the person insults if you stopped going on about the fucking Aquiliani deal in every post you make like your the one person who's noticed he has a bad injury record. It's tedious, every body knows this, shut up.

Rafa has had alot of money to spend over five years and he's improved the squad, remember the position we were in when he took over and compare it to now, it's simple we've progressed much more than United have.
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The highlighted bit is very, very debatable.

You're right about Aquilani, though. Rage, how you criticise a transfer who hasn't even played yet? Whenever Rafa's spent highly they've usually been a decent success.
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I don't think it is, look at where they were when Rafa took over, they were 15 points ahead of us, and were title challengers, although they fell short of Arsenal by some way that year. We barely made the champions league that season and were 30points a drift.

Last season we were four points behind them and genuine challengers. Whilst they have improved, we've improved more as we were so much worse off when Rafa joined.
 
I don't think it is, look at where they were when Rafa took over, they were 15 points ahead of us, and were title challengers, although they fell short of Arsenal by some way that year. We barely made the champions league that season and were 30points a drift.
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And they've progressed from finishing 15 points behind the leaders to dominating English football once more, as well as picking up European Cup along the way.

We were 15 points behind them and have progressed into title challenges and picked up a EC against the odds.

You can argue it either way and it's a bit of pointless debate, but there's certainly not much in it.
 
[quote author=rage link=topic=35468.msg933469#msg933469 date=1251380849]
has any other manager spent 20 million on an injured and historically injury prone player before?
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Why? Has Benitez?

I could have sworn that trusted sources stated we had paid £5m down for him with the rest of the deal being based on appearances and success. Therefore if we pay £20m for him he will have been worthwhile. If we end up not paying the £20m because he's injured then £5m is not that much of a gamble.

BTW, are you Rashid?
 
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[quote author=rage link=topic=35468.msg933469#msg933469 date=1251380849]
has any other manager spent 20 million on an injured and historically injury prone player before?
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Why? Has Benitez?

I could have sworn that trusted sources stated we had paid £5m down for him with the rest of the deal being based on appearances and success. Therefore if we pay £20m for him he will have been worthwhile. If we end up not paying the £20m because he's injured then £5m is not that much of a gamble.

BTW, are you Rashid?
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The first instalment was 5m John, we'll end up paying close to 20m regardless of how well he does
 
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[quote author=rage link=topic=35468.msg933469#msg933469 date=1251380849]
has any other manager spent 20 million on an injured and historically injury prone player before?
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Why? Has Benitez?

I could have sworn that trusted sources stated we had paid £5m down for him with the rest of the deal being based on appearances and success. Therefore if we pay £20m for him he will have been worthwhile. If we end up not paying the £20m because he's injured then £5m is not that much of a gamble.

BTW, are you Rashid?
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The first instalment was 5m John, we'll end up paying close to 20m regardless of how well he does
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I'm sure that I read that the remainder was apearance and success based. Am I wrong then?
 
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[quote author=Spionkop69 link=topic=35468.msg933694#msg933694 date=1251398854]
[quote author=rage link=topic=35468.msg933469#msg933469 date=1251380849]
has any other manager spent 20 million on an injured and historically injury prone player before?
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Why? Has Benitez?

I could have sworn that trusted sources stated we had paid £5m down for him with the rest of the deal being based on appearances and success. Therefore if we pay £20m for him he will have been worthwhile. If we end up not paying the £20m because he's injured then £5m is not that much of a gamble.

BTW, are you Rashid?
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The first instalment was 5m John, we'll end up paying close to 20m regardless of how well he does
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I'm sure that I read that the remainder was apearance and success based. Am I wrong then?
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The way I understand it is we'll pay £11m in another two installments and then the rest taking it up to £20m based on appearances and success.
 
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