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Even without the Ronaldo sale, ManU net spent would be lower than ours.
It shows Ginsoak is the best manager in the league with 3 titles in 5 seasons
Only Mourinho could compete with him. Id be fuming if he takes the vacant post at Old Trafford when Ferguson retires.
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i wouldn't worry. the special one will be with us by next season after rafa 'it's never my fault, i can never have enough money, i didn't buy robbie keane' benitez gets sacked for winning fuck all for another season. 😉
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You're hoping mate. Can't see it myself.
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Ah three of the brightest and most logical minds in one quote, my lucky day.

P.S that was sarcasm, I think your all idiots.
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at least i know the difference between your and you're.

the truth is painful. we've spent plenty of money yet our squad is awful and our first 11 has gaping holes in it.
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But not when to use capital letters though.
 
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[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=35468.msg932671#msg932671 date=1251274010]
Even without the Ronaldo sale, ManU net spent would be lower than ours.
It shows Ginsoak is the best manager in the league with 3 titles in 5 seasons
Only Mourinho could compete with him. Id be fuming if he takes the vacant post at Old Trafford when Ferguson retires.
[/quote]

i wouldn't worry. the special one will be with us by next season after rafa 'it's never my fault, i can never have enough money, i didn't buy robbie keane' benitez gets sacked for winning fuck all for another season. 😉
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You're hoping mate. Can't see it myself.
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Ah three of the brightest and most logical minds in one quote, my lucky day.

P.S that was sarcasm, I think your all idiots.
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at least i know the difference between your and you're.

the truth is painful. we've spent plenty of money yet our squad is awful and our first 11 has gaping holes in it.
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No the truth is that only Man Ure & Chelsea have better record than us over the time Benitez has been in charge. Correct?

Chelsea have spent more than us over that period and Man Ure, while having spent less had a squad which didn't need as much of an injection of cash/new players in order to maintain at the top.

Arsenal have spent less, not invested large amounts in players and consequentially have won less than us.

Man City and Spurs have spent more and achieved less.

So in summary Benitez is doing a fair enough job.
 
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[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=35468.msg932671#msg932671 date=1251274010]
Even without the Ronaldo sale, ManU net spent would be lower than ours.
It shows Ginsoak is the best manager in the league with 3 titles in 5 seasons
Only Mourinho could compete with him. Id be fuming if he takes the vacant post at Old Trafford when Ferguson retires.
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i wouldn't worry. the special one will be with us by next season after rafa 'it's never my fault, i can never have enough money, i didn't buy robbie keane' benitez gets sacked for winning fuck all for another season. 😉
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You're hoping mate. Can't see it myself.
[/quote]

Ah three of the brightest and most logical minds in one quote, my lucky day.

P.S that was sarcasm, I think your all idiots.
[/quote]

at least i know the difference between your and you're.

the truth is painful. we've spent plenty of money yet our squad is awful and our first 11 has gaping holes in it.
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No the truth is that only Man Ure & Chelsea have better record than us over the time Benitez has been in charge. Correct?

Chelsea have spent more than us over that period and Man Ure, while having spent less had a squad which didn't need as much of an injection of cash/new players in order to maintain at the top.

Arsenal have spent less, not invested large amounts in players and consequentially have won less than us.

Man City and Spurs have spent more and achieved less.

So in summary Benitez is doing a fair enough job.
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was just trying to figure out how to say pretty much exactly this.

If Benitez had spent way more than everyone else then people moaning about his transfer spend would have a point I suppose. as it is his record with players signed is patchy - just like every other manager out there.

we're a bit unfortunate that money defines who's successful in football now, because we have three of the richest teams on the planet in our league

regardless of money, the team rafa built last year would have won most european leagues, including ours on most years. the team that finished above us just lost £105m worth of talent in one summer and is still strong enough to challenge. hard to compete with that
 
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[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=35468.msg932671#msg932671 date=1251274010]
Even without the Ronaldo sale, ManU net spent would be lower than ours.
It shows Ginsoak is the best manager in the league with 3 titles in 5 seasons
Only Mourinho could compete with him. Id be fuming if he takes the vacant post at Old Trafford when Ferguson retires.
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i wouldn't worry. the special one will be with us by next season after rafa 'it's never my fault, i can never have enough money, i didn't buy robbie keane' benitez gets sacked for winning fuck all for another season. 😉
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You're hoping mate. Can't see it myself.
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Ah three of the brightest and most logical minds in one quote, my lucky day.

P.S that was sarcasm, I think your all idiots.
[/quote]

at least i know the difference between your and you're.

the truth is painful. we've spent plenty of money yet our squad is awful and our first 11 has gaping holes in it.
[/quote]

No the truth is that only Man Ure & Chelsea have better record than us over the time Benitez has been in charge. Correct?

Chelsea have spent more than us over that period and Man Ure, while having spent less had a squad which didn't need as much of an injection of cash/new players in order to maintain at the top.

Arsenal have spent less, not invested large amounts in players and consequentially have won less than us.

Man City and Spurs have spent more and achieved less.

So in summary Benitez is doing a fair enough job.
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Its easier to bang your head against a brick wall than rationalise with the mentalists.
 
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[quote author=Le Chacal link=topic=35468.msg932671#msg932671 date=1251274010]
Even without the Ronaldo sale, ManU net spent would be lower than ours.
It shows Ginsoak is the best manager in the league with 3 titles in 5 seasons
Only Mourinho could compete with him. Id be fuming if he takes the vacant post at Old Trafford when Ferguson retires.
[/quote]

i wouldn't worry. the special one will be with us by next season after rafa 'it's never my fault, i can never have enough money, i didn't buy robbie keane' benitez gets sacked for winning fuck all for another season. 😉
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You're hoping mate. Can't see it myself.
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Ah three of the brightest and most logical minds in one quote, my lucky day.

P.S that was sarcasm, I think your all idiots.
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at least i know the difference between your and you're.

the truth is painful. we've spent plenty of money yet our squad is awful and our first 11 has gaping holes in it.
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We've spent plenty of money and we've improved our squad plenty, if you were expecting to have a perfect squad with the money we've spent then your (p.s i don't care) a fool. Fact is if you look at the spending each club has made since Rafa's been in charge, it's fair to say we're one of the most improved sides, infact by a long shot, pound for improvement.

Don't say Manchester United have spent less money than us and our still winning leagues when we're not, people seem to forget that when Rafa took over they were already winning leagues and we were struggling to get into Europe, now we argueably have a better first team than they do.

Oh and please don't harp on about Aqualiani being injury prone like your(i did it again) the only person who knows this fact like you always seem to in any thread regarding Rafa, Transfers, Lucas, the Moon or any fucking thing, it's beyond tedious now.
 
In the year Benitez took charge Manchester United finished third, 15 points behind Arsenal

And for the money that has been spent, it's safe to say our overall squad should be better.
 
It's easier to bang your head against a brick wall than rationalise with the mentalists.

Still, his overall record is good.

Now he needs to stop the rot and earn his big fucking contract.
 
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35468.msg932925#msg932925 date=1251294049]
In the year Benitez took charge Manchester United finished third, 15 points behind Arsenal

And for the money that has been spent, it's safe to say our overall squad should be better.
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And we're 15 odd points ahead of us, besides it's better to talk about the position Benitez pick us up in, not the position we were in after a season of him being in charge, when Benitez joined Liverpool they'd just finished 4th two points ahead of Newcastle(lmao), 17 points behind United and 32 points behind the leaders.

I think the level of improvement Rafa has brought us is clear to see.
 
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[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35468.msg932662#msg932662 date=1251273321]

Great job Ross.

Actually there is then only around 1M p.a. difference between Rosco's figures and those of LFCHistory - easily accounted for by the lack of exact information regarding the actual fee for certain players.

For United you have to note that the Ronaldo sale is at a quite exceptional and highly unusual price.

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If it's across a range of five years and the discrepancy is 30M+, how can the difference be 1M per annum?
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LFC History is :

54 players signed for £228,066,000
63 sold for £144,825,000
Net spend £83.2mil

over 4.5 years that's £18.48 M p.a. as against Rosco's £19,441,667

so where on earth is this 30M you are on about ? Have I missed something ?
 
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[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35468.msg932662#msg932662 date=1251273321]

Great job Ross.

Actually there is then only around 1M p.a. difference between Rosco's figures and those of LFCHistory - easily accounted for by the lack of exact information regarding the actual fee for certain players.

For United you have to note that the Ronaldo sale is at a quite exceptional and highly unusual price.

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If it's across a range of five years and the discrepancy is 30M+, how can the difference be 1M per annum?
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I'm not sure either, but I tell you I can't wait to find out.
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Well now you can go to bed happy knowing either I misread the figures or my example in my reply to Keni is correct. Either way your brain shouldn't hurt any more from the agony of the suspense you must have been in.
 
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[quote author=Frogfish link=topic=35468.msg932662#msg932662 date=1251273321]

Great job Ross.

Actually there is then only around 1M p.a. difference between Rosco's figures and those of LFCHistory - easily accounted for by the lack of exact information regarding the actual fee for certain players.

For United you have to note that the Ronaldo sale is at a quite exceptional and highly unusual price.

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If it's across a range of five years and the discrepancy is 30M+, how can the difference be 1M per annum?
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LFC History is :

54 players signed for £228,066,000
63 sold for £144,825,000
Net spend £83.2mil

over 4.5 years that's £18.48 M p.a. as against Rosco's £19,441,667

so where on earth is this 30M you are on about ? Have I missed something ?
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Rosco's net spend is 116M. The net spend posted on lfchistory is 83M.
 
Part of that is explained by the fact that LFC history only counts Rafa's transfers, 04-09 counts Cisse.

LFC History have a bit of a low figure for some of our signings too.
 
Rafa is fucking useless and has wasted too much money the quicker we are rid of him the better.

The numbers don't lie.
 
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Ross you are an uber-geek. Boring fucking cunt.
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See the link I posted ?

That's where it came from. I didn't really bother doing all the maths
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=35468.msg933140#msg933140 date=1251315238]
What is this thread for actually Rosco??

as in what are you actually trying to say??
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What do *you* think he's trying to say, eh Molby?

And what do you think that says about *you*? Eh? Eh?

Food for thought...
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=35468.msg933140#msg933140 date=1251315238]
What is this thread for actually Rosco??

as in what are you actuaylly trying to say??
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I'm not trying to say anything.

It's just info.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35468.msg933150#msg933150 date=1251316022]
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=35468.msg933140#msg933140 date=1251315238]
What is this thread for actually Rosco??

as in what are you actuaylly trying to say??
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I'm not trying to say anything.

It's just info.
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Oh thats allright then....

Info you say.

tell me is it accurate?? 😉
 
[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=35468.msg933121#msg933121 date=1251313664]
Rafa is fucking useless and has wasted too much money, but has also done well with some players; the quicker we are rid of him the better...he should be given the backing he deserves but continually yammering about money and the Yanks doesn't exculpate his mistakes.

The numbers don't lie.
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edit : Nessie's link is much better than Ross' tho ;D
 
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[quote author=Molbystwin link=topic=35468.msg933140#msg933140 date=1251315238]
What is this thread for actually Rosco??

as in what are you actuaylly trying to say??
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I'm not trying to say anything.

It's just info.
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Oh thats allright then....

Info you say.

tell me is it accurate?? 😉
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I haven't gone through the details of it all.

I'd imagine if someone did they'd find a fault somewhere but by and large it looks spot on
 
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35468.msg932925#msg932925 date=1251294049]
In the year Benitez took charge Manchester United finished third, 15 points behind Arsenal

And for the money that has been spent, it's safe to say our overall squad should be better.
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And we're 15 odd points ahead of us, besides it's better to talk about the position Benitez pick us up in, not the position we were in after a season of him being in charge, when Benitez joined Liverpool they'd just finished 4th two points ahead of Newcastle(lmao), 17 points behind United and 32 points behind the leaders.

I think the level of improvement Rafa has brought us is clear to see.
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Uh what? Have you got your year mixed up? You said United were already winning titles when Benitez took over. They weren't. They were finishing third behind Arsenal and Chelsea, so any comparison is completely fair, IMO.

And sure we've improved but after spending all that money our backup strikers are N'gog, Voronin and Babel. Come on...

He's signed some great players for good fees but regardless of budget, there's just been far too many flops, and it's costing us now.  
 
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[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=35468.msg932925#msg932925 date=1251294049]
In the year Benitez took charge Manchester United finished third, 15 points behind Arsenal

And for the money that has been spent, it's safe to say our overall squad should be better.
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And we're 15 odd points ahead of us, besides it's better to talk about the position Benitez pick us up in, not the position we were in after a season of him being in charge, when Benitez joined Liverpool they'd just finished 4th two points ahead of Newcastle(lmao), 17 points behind United and 32 points behind the leaders.

I think the level of improvement Rafa has brought us is clear to see.
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Uh what? Have you got your year mixed up? You said United were already winning titles when Benitez took over. They weren't. They were finishing third behind Arsenal and Chelsea, so any comparison is completely fair, IMO.

And sure we've improved but after spending all that money our backup strikers are N'gog, Voronin and Babel. Come on...

He's signed some great players for good fees but regardless of budget, there's just been far too many flops, and it's costing us now.
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Imagine if when Rafa took over, both Ferguson and Rafa had to sell their entire squad. Who would make more money on the sale?

That's right, it isn't even close.

Rafa certainly has bought some crap, but the idea that they were at the same starting point is stupid. We were blatantly a far FAR worse team.
 
[quote author=Rosco link=topic=35468.msg933106#msg933106 date=1251310950]
Part of that is explained by the fact that LFC history only counts Rafa's transfers, 04-09 counts Cisse.

LFC History have a bit of a low figure for some of our signings too.
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So this is where the well known saying re. Stats raises it's ugly head.

Rosco you have given £250,730,000 £134,080,000 £116,650,000 £19,441,667 however that last figure is arrived at by dividing by 6 - why ? Rafa hasn't been here 6 years.

Also when we are talking about Rafa's spending (as against Liverpool's - which in this instance isn't the same) it is unfair to include a player (Cisse - listed as 14.5 M on LFCH and 14.0 on TTL) that had already been signed by Houllier even if he had physically not arrived at the club.

The Transfer League figure is 22M higher but a big big chunk of that is Cisse. Also it should be noted that the main source for The Transfer League seems to be the BBC !! Hardly the most accurate source when it comes to transfer figures and TTL have also included any potential bonus payments - regardless of the fact that they may or may not be paid out. e.g. Aquilani is listed as 20M - whereas it is generally assumed we have paid ca. 16M with potential bonuses.

I also think the figures from LFC History are more credible than those from other media sources - one would assume that a site dedicated only to one club would be more accurate than one trying to cover the field, assuming the same amount of resources. Talksport are numpties and the papers attempt to make the figures fit their story so generally can be discounted as far as complete accuracy is concerned. All that said there are one or two transfer fees that seem a little low; Lucas at 5M, I thought it was 6M, for example.

However at the end of the day there is only one source that truly knows the real figures ... and they ain't saying !
 
You know we're playing shit when the old 'net spend' table comes out.

Ronaldo's sale does not 'skew' the figures, it underlines what a good piece of business that was by Utd and deserves to be reflected in the table. After all, the 20mil we made on Alonso will be, I'm sure.
 
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