Pretty much this, we need an alternative to Firmino because he has periods of the season where his energy levels seem to drop and he goes really flat. He needs more rest if we want to keep him fresh.
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Pretty much this, we need an alternative to Firmino because he has periods of the season where his energy levels seem to drop and he goes really flat. He needs more rest if we want to keep him fresh.
Um.. I didn't?
The match hinged on one incident, one brutal foul, that may or may not have cost us the game, but what is clear and indisputable is that up until that moment we were the better side and the goal always seemed like it was coming.
That's it, whatever happened afterwards, RM's performance, Bale's wonder goal, Karius' mistakes, all came about because of that moment of brutality. Some people here are mentioning strength in depth, and whilst that's true it may not have been an issue without fate's intervention. Cruel game.
I hope for Mo's mental state next season that he recovers to play for Egypt in the WC.
That's it, whatever happened afterwards, RM's performance, Bale's wonder goal, Karius' mistakes, all came about because of that moment of brutality. Some people here are mentioning strength in depth, and whilst that's true it may not have been an issue without fate's intervention. Cruel game.
I hope for Mo's mental state next season that he recovers to play for Egypt in the WC.
No Redstar... I’m not... Karius was not bribed I was merely venting at how terrible he was...
And yes for not supporting the team you’d have to be a retard, supporting Karius today after that will take some effort and a bit of time perhaps... we as supporters have got a job also, you have to support.
I’m proud of em still and I think if we’d had anything but bad luck we’d have beat them cunts....
Apart from the catastrophe in goal every single player gave 100%...
Didn’t get the trophy but that will do for now...
Loris Karius gives tearful apology to Liverpool fans after mistakes vs Real Madrid ‘I don’t feel anything right now,’ Karius told talkSPORT. ‘Today I lost my team the game and I feel sorry for everyone.
‘I’m sorry for everyone – from the team, from the whole club – that the mistakes cost dearly.
‘If I could go back in time, I would. I feel sorry for my team. I know I let them down today. Loris Karius apologised to Liverpool fans in the stadium after the game
‘It’s very hard right now but that’s the life of a goalkeeper. You have to get your head up again.
‘These goals cost us the title, basically.’ Asked what the mood was like in the Liverpool dressing room after the defeat, he said: ‘There’s not much I had to say. ‘Of course everyone tried to cheer me up – but there was just silence everywhere because everyone was really disappointed.
Speaking about Bale’s second goal which went through his hands, Karius said: ‘It moved around a lot. ‘I tried to catch it, maybe I should have done it safer and just put it out of play instead of trying to catch it.
‘I judged it wrong and it went in.’
‘I’m sorry for everyone – from the team, from the whole club – that the mistakes cost dearly.
‘If I could go back in time, I would. I feel sorry for my team. I know I let them down today. Loris Karius apologised to Liverpool fans in the stadium after the game
‘It’s very hard right now but that’s the life of a goalkeeper. You have to get your head up again.
‘These goals cost us the title, basically.’ Asked what the mood was like in the Liverpool dressing room after the defeat, he said: ‘There’s not much I had to say. ‘Of course everyone tried to cheer me up – but there was just silence everywhere because everyone was really disappointed.
Speaking about Bale’s second goal which went through his hands, Karius said: ‘It moved around a lot. ‘I tried to catch it, maybe I should have done it safer and just put it out of play instead of trying to catch it.
‘I judged it wrong and it went in.’
It should be noted however that RM didn't have ONE injury (the closest being Carvajal coming back, but he'd already played a couple of games since the semis) whilst we had 5 out or just returning after missing months of the season.
It also shouldn't be forgotten that we had Sturridge until it became obvious he was no longer capable of returning to anything like former glories, which is a pity because he was that backup striker on the bench we needed.
Our bench could have looked at least a little better (still agree on needing a pacy winger/striker though) with a full strength squad or alternatively what would RM's have looked like if you took out 5 players.
Our lack of real, balanced midfield quality, and lack of depth all over means that there are huge swings when players are removed. Our midfield can't quite feed an attack if our attack isn't totally respected; it just hasn't been that good for years now, there's a bizarre continuity with Rodgers midfield there. Our attack won't be totally respected if any of the three are out, and our midfield doesn't impose itself by passing.
All of this was avoidable.
Klopp/FSG has gambled a lot on us making do with less, until he gets what he wants, and persisting with players where their perfect alternatives aren't available. Those gambles absolutely paid off this year. Not for us though. There's no trophy for net spend though, and critically, these were things that let us down where we actually give a shit. Nothing more clear than watching them bring on someone to score a worldy, while we select from players who are finished for us, and no where near sharp enough for a league game, let alone the CL final.
A lot of things could have gone more right. AOC would have done damage to that team, how we were playing, Salah could have been fit, Karius could have... no, no he couldn't. The more depth you have, the less luck you need. All the players that we needed now, we seem to be after in the summer. Shame it's of no help to a trophy. That was someone's choice, and it's fucked. Someone also thought Karius could be our number one, after the deer in the headlights in league games. He's entirely broken now, which brings me no pleasure.
Lets fix these two mistakes. We've got some pull at the moment, lets draw a line under some bad decisions, get rid of the mistakes, and retool the midfield, and add depth in attack. Lets set this team up to have the same advantage most big teams do when fixture congestion hits, and not have to do silly things like play a b team against Everton. The way we limped through the end of this season was so totally unnecessary.
All of this was avoidable.
Klopp/FSG has gambled a lot on us making do with less, until he gets what he wants, and persisting with players where their perfect alternatives aren't available. Those gambles absolutely paid off this year. Not for us though. There's no trophy for net spend though, and critically, these were things that let us down where we actually give a shit. Nothing more clear than watching them bring on someone to score a worldy, while we select from players who are finished for us, and no where near sharp enough for a league game, let alone the CL final.
A lot of things could have gone more right. AOC would have done damage to that team, how we were playing, Salah could have been fit, Karius could have... no, no he couldn't. The more depth you have, the less luck you need. All the players that we needed now, we seem to be after in the summer. Shame it's of no help to a trophy. That was someone's choice, and it's fucked. Someone also thought Karius could be our number one, after the deer in the headlights in league games. He's entirely broken now, which brings me no pleasure.
Lets fix these two mistakes. We've got some pull at the moment, lets draw a line under some bad decisions, get rid of the mistakes, and retool the midfield, and add depth in attack. Lets set this team up to have the same advantage most big teams do when fixture congestion hits, and not have to do silly things like play a b team against Everton. The way we limped through the end of this season was so totally unnecessary.
If time travel existed, some hateful liverpool fan would have throttled him in a nursery.
Actually, that's harsh, it would be him looking in a mirror, prepping for a game. Just as the elastic hits the man bun for the first time, and he thinks, yeah, that's it, you handsome bastard, the mirror is painted with his brain.
Probably right, too. Utterly useless last night— were it not Karius we’d be talking about the most anonymous performance ever.
He lost a lot of his pace. Even Hendo managed to get in front of him when he started ahead.
There are a lot of talk about Ramos' Russian armbar takedown of Mo and how he had twisted his body inwards (and unnaturally) while locking up Mo's arm for maximum damage. The cunt knew what he was doing.
Strangely quiet on the pundits' end though. They usually pick up and comment on what's trending in social media.
Strangely quiet on the pundits' end though. They usually pick up and comment on what's trending in social media.
Believe it or not, there's a website here dedicated to telling you who's striking and when. It's a useful resource.
I read this report on Skysports, by Adam Bates, and I found it just about exactly how I saw the match -
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/11386671/liverpool-setbacks-too-much
Especially paragraphs such as :
"We need to be prepared for anything and everything," Jordan Henderson had said beforehand. Even he could have not have anticipated this. The loss of Mohamed Salah to injury was one thing. Being on the receiving end of arguably the greatest goal ever seen on this stage was quite another. Throw in two Loris Karius howlers and it was all too much.
Salah's injury, pulled to the ground in a tussle with Sergio Ramos, altered the flow of the contest. Having restricted Madrid to 57 per cent of the ball up to that point, it rose to 70 per cent afterwards. Liverpool sat back, Luka Modric and Toni Kroos began to control things, and Madrid had a further 12 shots on goal in the final hour. Liverpool mustered only four. (Me : prior to Salah's injury after 30 mins Liverpool had 9 shots to Madrid's 2).
But still Liverpool kept going, finding an equaliser through the ever dangerous Sadio Mane when he diverted Dejan Lovren's header beyond Keylor Navas just minutes after falling behind. Both players were impressive on the night and so was the team's character. Having been undermined at both ends of the field they still dared to keep their dream alive.
The fans knew they were the underdogs but they also believed that momentum was with them. For 30 minutes in Kiev it still was, before it was cruelly wrestled from them with a turn of Salah's shoulder. It is entirely natural that everyone at Anfield - Klopp more than most - regards this as a missed opportunity.
Liverpool belong at the top table again, Champions League not Europa League. And while Klopp spoke beforehand of his tactics being designed "to bring a better opponent to your level" there are not many capable of playing at Liverpool's level anymore. They looked ready. They look prepared. Just not quite prepared for everything.
http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11669/11386671/liverpool-setbacks-too-much
Especially paragraphs such as :
"We need to be prepared for anything and everything," Jordan Henderson had said beforehand. Even he could have not have anticipated this. The loss of Mohamed Salah to injury was one thing. Being on the receiving end of arguably the greatest goal ever seen on this stage was quite another. Throw in two Loris Karius howlers and it was all too much.
Salah's injury, pulled to the ground in a tussle with Sergio Ramos, altered the flow of the contest. Having restricted Madrid to 57 per cent of the ball up to that point, it rose to 70 per cent afterwards. Liverpool sat back, Luka Modric and Toni Kroos began to control things, and Madrid had a further 12 shots on goal in the final hour. Liverpool mustered only four. (Me : prior to Salah's injury after 30 mins Liverpool had 9 shots to Madrid's 2).
But still Liverpool kept going, finding an equaliser through the ever dangerous Sadio Mane when he diverted Dejan Lovren's header beyond Keylor Navas just minutes after falling behind. Both players were impressive on the night and so was the team's character. Having been undermined at both ends of the field they still dared to keep their dream alive.
The fans knew they were the underdogs but they also believed that momentum was with them. For 30 minutes in Kiev it still was, before it was cruelly wrestled from them with a turn of Salah's shoulder. It is entirely natural that everyone at Anfield - Klopp more than most - regards this as a missed opportunity.
Liverpool belong at the top table again, Champions League not Europa League. And while Klopp spoke beforehand of his tactics being designed "to bring a better opponent to your level" there are not many capable of playing at Liverpool's level anymore. They looked ready. They look prepared. Just not quite prepared for everything.
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Well done for being so fucking thick the point flew miles over your head.
Bendy Dick is still alive, he could still snuff it. I'm not sure what that says for the prophecy, though.
The temptation after a game like that is to look at all the weaknesses in the side because once Salah went off our protection for those weaknesses went with him largely:
- no control in midfield
- lack of bench options
- unreliable keeper
Still feels shit though
sigh
What a season performance overall. Top four, despite a jittery start and resting players at the end. We did magnificently in the CL and it's a travesty that thanks to a cheating twat (who I hope gets studs through his fucking shins preseason), we were robbed of being able to show that quality at full strength on the biggest stage. What an absolute cunt Ramos is.
Anyway, once Salah left the pitch, it felt like we were handicapped, because we were. Make no mistake, Salah has been pivotal this season, but Mane has been a mini revelation too, despite some indifferent form and the occasional frustrating lapse, he's a top quality attacker and almost singlehandedly got us back in the game. MOTM for me.
As for Karius, from one human to another, I feel sorry for a kid who has crashed and burned on the biggest stage, but this is a ruthless game and an unforgiving industry. He never instilled me with confidence, even during his good spell. I thought he was close to costing us the ties against City and then Roma, and all in all, he's just not good enough. Dudek took a couple of years to have a bad game, but compounded it with low confidence and more poor performances. Ming and Karius don't seem capable of bouncing back from mistakes, cf yesterday when he fucked up for the first, made a joke of a dive (no arms outstretched at all) for the second and flapped at the third. You don't cost your team three goals on the highest stage and get away with it.
As for the rest. Lallana was a bad move, as he offers no pace or outlet to replicate what we lost with Salah, it was a bad sub. Either put Solanke on, or more constructively, put Clyne on and the move the quick and versatile Trent up to the right wing. He'd have offered pace, a great touch to give himself a yard and more pressingly, a good first time delivery into the box and a general threat all round.
Easier said in hindsight, but I was disappointed Klopp then didn't tweak it at half time. His "in game" decisions have always been a bit lapse, but I pinned alot of hope on him making the necessary adjustments when we regrouped. If anything, we became more disjointed and fell to pieces when we still had a stranglehold on the game.
Klopp needs to shake off this loser tag. Win the League or FA Cup next season and push on from there, but it's a worrying psychological hindrance, going into the biggest games of the season, knowing your manager has a mental hoodoo over his head. Better still, win the league, just win. Don't be the attractive team that were nearly great, be great, be ruthless. Fuck off the deadwood and build a classic side. None of this sympathy towards players that are mentally not capable of matching the expectations of a big club. That starts with Klopp getting rid of the likes of Karius, Mignolet, Matip and Moreno. And slowly ebbing out others who are just about making the fringes.
I'm disappointed and upset today, but it's a long journey and it takes time to progress from being promising, to being winners. Unless you plough millions (billions?) into a club, you're banking on more traditionally just building and growing as a collective. To give ourselves time to do that,without losing our best players, we need to be more decisive, ruthless and we need depth as a squad. You look at the bench yesterday and it was pitiful. Madrid's sub won them the game, we just don't have an alternative match winner or plan B (sorry), to bank on.
What a season performance overall. Top four, despite a jittery start and resting players at the end. We did magnificently in the CL and it's a travesty that thanks to a cheating twat (who I hope gets studs through his fucking shins preseason), we were robbed of being able to show that quality at full strength on the biggest stage. What an absolute cunt Ramos is.
Anyway, once Salah left the pitch, it felt like we were handicapped, because we were. Make no mistake, Salah has been pivotal this season, but Mane has been a mini revelation too, despite some indifferent form and the occasional frustrating lapse, he's a top quality attacker and almost singlehandedly got us back in the game. MOTM for me.
As for Karius, from one human to another, I feel sorry for a kid who has crashed and burned on the biggest stage, but this is a ruthless game and an unforgiving industry. He never instilled me with confidence, even during his good spell. I thought he was close to costing us the ties against City and then Roma, and all in all, he's just not good enough. Dudek took a couple of years to have a bad game, but compounded it with low confidence and more poor performances. Ming and Karius don't seem capable of bouncing back from mistakes, cf yesterday when he fucked up for the first, made a joke of a dive (no arms outstretched at all) for the second and flapped at the third. You don't cost your team three goals on the highest stage and get away with it.
As for the rest. Lallana was a bad move, as he offers no pace or outlet to replicate what we lost with Salah, it was a bad sub. Either put Solanke on, or more constructively, put Clyne on and the move the quick and versatile Trent up to the right wing. He'd have offered pace, a great touch to give himself a yard and more pressingly, a good first time delivery into the box and a general threat all round.
Easier said in hindsight, but I was disappointed Klopp then didn't tweak it at half time. His "in game" decisions have always been a bit lapse, but I pinned alot of hope on him making the necessary adjustments when we regrouped. If anything, we became more disjointed and fell to pieces when we still had a stranglehold on the game.
Klopp needs to shake off this loser tag. Win the League or FA Cup next season and push on from there, but it's a worrying psychological hindrance, going into the biggest games of the season, knowing your manager has a mental hoodoo over his head. Better still, win the league, just win. Don't be the attractive team that were nearly great, be great, be ruthless. Fuck off the deadwood and build a classic side. None of this sympathy towards players that are mentally not capable of matching the expectations of a big club. That starts with Klopp getting rid of the likes of Karius, Mignolet, Matip and Moreno. And slowly ebbing out others who are just about making the fringes.
I'm disappointed and upset today, but it's a long journey and it takes time to progress from being promising, to being winners. Unless you plough millions (billions?) into a club, you're banking on more traditionally just building and growing as a collective. To give ourselves time to do that,without losing our best players, we need to be more decisive, ruthless and we need depth as a squad. You look at the bench yesterday and it was pitiful. Madrid's sub won them the game, we just don't have an alternative match winner or plan B (sorry), to bank on.
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Not much to argue with.
I think we need a player at least who is able to intimidate the opposition and protect our own. You wanna hurt one of us? Ok be prepared to get annihilated then. Goons, enforcers, call them what you will.
Players like Keane or Gattuso for example.
They should be prosecuted without exception .
There's a lot to be said for Chinese style communism !
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