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Ryan

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Biggest difference between this week and last week was Lille letting us play out from the back. They hounded the shit out of us on that quagmire last week, forced us to play early and long, leaving Torres isolated, and forced us into errors. I actually didn't think we played that badly last week, we just didn't finish our few opportunities when we should have.

Similarly tonight, if Hazard scores when he's straight through on Reina (what a run that was by the way) then they're 2-1 up on aggregate with an away goal. The whole complexion of the game changes. Fine lines. Still... We're through and I thought we deserved it. In no small thanks to that walkign blonde orgasm up front. Jesus what a striker he is. I'm sick of saying this, but if he's fit all season long we're still in the Champions League, and in the top 4. Simple as that.

Different team from Monday night, but pleasingly the same movement in attack. Kuyt tucked in on many occassions to give us 3 across the middle to free up Babel. Torres held as high a line as possible to create space between midfield and attack, from which we took great advantage. Great palyers move well, and find space. Again, kinda what I've been banging on about all season, but Gerrard's movemtn in that first half was trememndous. Didn't see a lot fo the ball, but he created space for others. If the player in the hole moves from that gap, and it's filled by a midfielder running from deep (Lucas for the most part tonight) then that's a nightmare to mark and defend. Who picks him up? In the long run, it'll be Aquilani that's the benefactor of that space, tonight Lucas strode forward into it well on a few occassions. I'd like to have seen him do it more, but hey.

The first goal typified it. Superb bit of play from the Brazilian. He's a good player, I wish he'd take the game on a bit more than he does.

In the second half, Gerrard found increasingly more space as they had to go looking for a goal, and he became the dominant force on the pitch. He's unstoppable when you give himspace, which is why so many teams stick someone on him for 90 mins I suppose.

A final word for Dirk. As selfless a player as you're ever likely to get. Sticks his head where somebody's boot was on the corner of the box, breaks forward and wins it back for the third goal. Look at his workrate and endeavour for that goal, absolutely fantastic. Never gave up once. You don't get a statistic to your name for that, it's not an assist, but it wins massive respect from your teammates, and should do so from the fans too. Fantastic workrate.

Mascherano would have been my Man of the Match mind you. As solid a midfield performance as you'll see all season long.

Onwards and upwards.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39391.msg1072558#msg1072558 date=1268951434]
Biggest difference between this week and last week was Lille letting us play out from the back. They hounded the shit out of us on that quagmire last week, forced us to play early and long, leaving Torres isolated, and forced us into errors. I actually didn't think we played that badly last week, we just didn't finish our few opportunities when we should have.

Similarly tonight, if Hazard scores when he's straight through on Reina (what a run that was by the way) then they're 2-1 up on aggregate with an away goal. The whole complexion of the game changes. Fine lines. Still... We're through and I thought we deserved it. In no small thanks to that walkign blonde orgasm up front. Jesus what a striker he is. I'm sick of saying this, but if he's fit all season long we're still in the Champions League, and in the top 4. Simple as that.

Different team from Monday night, but pleasingly the same movement in attack. Kuyt tucked in on many occassions to give us 3 across the middle to free up Babel. Torres held as high a line as possible to create space between midfield and attack, from which we took great advantage. Great palyers move well, and find space. Again, kinda what I've been banging on about all season, but Gerrard's movemtn in that first half was trememndous. Didn't see a lot fo the ball, but he created space for others. If the player in the hole moves from that gap, and it's filled by a midfielder running from deep (Lucas for the most part tonight) then that's a nightmare to mark and defend. Who picks him up? In the long run, it'll be Aquilani that's the benefactor of that space, tonight Lucas strode forward into it well on a few occassions. I'd like to have seen him do it more, but hey.

The first goal typified it. Superb bit of play from the Brazilian. He's a good player, I wish he'd take the game on a bit more than he does.

In the second half, Gerrard found increasingly more space as they had to go looking for a goal, and he became the dominant force on the pitch. He's unstoppable when you give himspace, which is why so many teams stick someone on him for 90 mins I suppose.

A final word for Dirk. As selfless a player as you're ever likely to get. Sticks his head where somebody's boot was on the corner of the box, breaks forward and wins it back for the third goal. Look at his workrate and endeavour for that goal, absolutely fantastic. Never gave up once. You don't get a statistic to your name for that, it's not an assist, but it wins massive respect from your teammates, and should do so from the fans too. Fantastic workrate.

Mascherano would have been my Man of the Match mind you. As solid a midfield performance as you'll see all season long.

Onwards and upwards.
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As usual Ryan, the best and most objective football related poster on this site by a margin - keep it up!
 
Oh Ryan and his post match thoughts. Decent read though. However, nothing we didn't already know. Kuyt is a tremendous work horse and I'm a huge fan. His contribution in the final minutes was excellent. Lucas showed us he can take his game forward and needs to do it more. I'm not sure what inspired his increased movement tonight but it was nice to see. Perhaps he is instructed to hold by Rafa or he realised Aqualani is now ready to fight for a starting place?

A positive was another clean sheet and an encouraging performace from Insua.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39391.msg1072558#msg1072558 date=1268951434]

A final word for Dirk. As selfless a player as you're ever likely to get. Sticks his head where somebody's boot was on the corner of the box, breaks forward and wins it back for the third goal. Look at his workrate and endeavour for that goal, absolutely fantastic. Never gave up once. You don't get a statistic to your name for that, it's not an assist, but it wins massive respect from your teammates, and should do so from the fans too. Fantastic workrate.
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Spot on. Dirk's the man.
 
[quote author=ILD link=topic=39391.msg1072574#msg1072574 date=1268952653]
Perhaps he is instructed to hold by Rafa or he realised Aqualani is now ready to fight for a starting place?

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Both in my view.

Depends on the match though sometimes.
 
Just back from the match and Dirk was shit! Shit, shit and more shit. Gave the ball away consistently, wrong positioning all the time and every time he got on the ball the crowd just knew he'd fuck it up.

Insua had easily his best game for us tonight. Improved his positioning a great deal to earlier weeks, getting between the man and the ball instead of waiting for the ball to reach the man then deal with it. When Yossi was about to come on we were shocked it was for Babel.

Carragher is winding me up something chronic. The constant hoofing and never towards our players.

Torres, for as brilliant he is, needs to shut the fuck up sometimes. He got a needless yellow today, and if we get to the final he could easily miss it keeping his moaning up.

Gerrard is getting better. Could be the confidence growing playing with Torres instead of Wash.

I do give a special mention to Lucas. It was good seeing him get forward in the 1st half. He faded a lot in the 2nd, but was supporting the attacks, pushing their midfield backwards keeping the pressure on.
 
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[quote author=ILD link=topic=39391.msg1072574#msg1072574 date=1268952653]
Perhaps he is instructed to hold by Rafa or he realised Aqualani is now ready to fight for a starting place?

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Both in my view.

Depends on the match though sometimes.
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I'm sure he took notice from the bench Monday that he must implement forward movement to his game. Aqualani has a knack of drifting into space and it benefits the team as a whole. Very encouraging from Lucas tonight, the 'player' inside him is trying to emerge once more.
 
[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39391.msg1072580#msg1072580 date=1268953112]
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THE best.


He's nearly as good as I was in my prime.


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Thats like my avator.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39391.msg1072580#msg1072580 date=1268953112]
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THE best.


He's nearly as good as I was in my prime.


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Thats like my avator.
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*Pins Blue Peter badge on Dave*

*Pats him on the head*

Well done son.
 
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[quote author=Sheik Yerbouti link=topic=39391.msg1072580#msg1072580 date=1268953112]
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THE best.


He's nearly as good as I was in my prime.


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*Pins Blue Peter badge on Dave*

*Pats him on the head*

Well done son.
Thats like my avator.

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Haha. I actually busted out laughing reading that.
 
Post match has become a really good feature on the forum and I always find it an interesting read. Good work, Ryan.
 
Just a bit more on Mascherano's performance, cos it merits it.

I know it was against Lille, but I think Tonight (and Monday night to a lesser extent) could become a watershed moment for this side and Rafa. 7 goals, and it could have been more, by entrusting Mascherano to 'hold' the midfield on his own. I'm not sure if Rafa felt he (a) needed two players to hold the midfield, or (b) he didn't think Masher was up to it on his own, but there's enough to go off rom the last two games to suggest he is and the team can benefit enormously from it.

Masher's matured immensely this season. His game's improving, he's playing less of the 'man all over the pitch' role and thus become far more disciplined. Who knows whether this is through Rafa's coaching or natural development through experience and maturity?

Either way, we've landed on something here because he was superb tonight, superb. Nothing flash, no wide-eyed tackles, no gut-busting cover runs, just a simple, but hugely effective midfield holding and screening role. Now Rafa's not about to abandon he and Lucas as defensive shields altogethor, because certain games need it. This Sunday being a prime example. It'd be suicide to go without it, because Masher would get strung all over the park, because quite simple - United move the ball quicker, and have better players than Lille. And of course, because despite Masher's prowess tonight, there were still notably one or two occassions when the Lillians got in the hole; Hazard's first half chance being the prime example.

Those chances you can live with though. Especially if you're banging in 4 at the other end.
 
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=39391.msg1072654#msg1072654 date=1268958141]
Post match has become a really good feature on the forum and I always find it an interesting read. Good work, Ryan.
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Oh for God's sake, get your tongue out of his arse Wilko.
 
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[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=39391.msg1072654#msg1072654 date=1268958141]
Post match has become a really good feature on the forum and I always find it an interesting read. Good work, Ryan.
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Oh for God's sake, get your tongue out of his arse Wilko.
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Arf.
 
Lucas improved because there is finally some real competition for his place. You could see him trying to emulate Aquilani's performance against Pompey.
We desperately need more of this, players fighting tooth and nails to get on the team sheet.
Too often it is obvious who gets to play simply because there are no real alternatives.
 
[quote author=Wilko7 link=topic=39391.msg1072654#msg1072654 date=1268958141]
Post match has become a really good feature on the forum and I always find it an interesting read. Good work, Ryan.
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Agreed. Keep it up, O'Hare.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39391.msg1072659#msg1072659 date=1268958620]
Just a bit more on Mascherano's performance, cos it merits it.

I know it was against Lille, but I think Tonight (and Monday night to a lesser extent) could become a watershed moment for this side and Rafa. 7 goals, and it could have been more, by entrusting Mascherano to 'hold' the midfield on his own. I'm not sure if Rafa felt he (a) needed two players to hold the midfield, or (b) he didn't think Masher was up to it on his own, but there's enough to go off rom the last two games to suggest he is and the team can benefit enormously from it.

Masher's matured immensely this season. His game's improving, he's playing less of the 'man all over the pitch' role and thus become far more disciplined. Who knows whether this is through Rafa's coaching or natural development through experience and maturity?

Either way, we've landed on something here because he was superb tonight, superb. Nothing flash, no wide-eyed tackles, no gut-busting cover runs, just a simple, but hugely effective midfield holding and screening role. Now Rafa's not about to abandon he and Lucas as defensive shields altogethor, because certain games need it. This Sunday being a prime example. It'd be suicide to go without it, because Masher would get strung all over the park, because quite simple - United move the ball quicker, and have better players than Lille. And of course, because despite Masher's prowess tonight, there were still notably one or two occassions when the Lillians got in the hole; Hazard's first half chance being the prime example.

Those chances you can live with though. Especially if you're banging in 4 at the other end.
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I knew you'd come round eventually.
 
[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39391.msg1072659#msg1072659 date=1268958620]
there were still notably one or two occassions when the Lillians got in the hole; Hazard's first half chance being the prime example.
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They are Lillois for goodness sake! You should know better.
 
I thought Mavuba had a very good game for Lille but faded in the last quarter. Hazard looked pretty good too, as did the centrebacks and the rightback.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39391.msg1072659#msg1072659 date=1268958620]
Just a bit more on Mascherano's performance, cos it merits it.

I know it was against Lille, but I think Tonight (and Monday night to a lesser extent) could become a watershed moment for this side and Rafa. 7 goals, and it could have been more, by entrusting Mascherano to 'hold' the midfield on his own. I'm not sure if Rafa felt he (a) needed two players to hold the midfield, or (b) he didn't think Masher was up to it on his own, but there's enough to go off rom the last two games to suggest he is and the team can benefit enormously from it.

Masher's matured immensely this season. His game's improving, he's playing less of the 'man all over the pitch' role and thus become far more disciplined. Who knows whether this is through Rafa's coaching or natural development through experience and maturity?

Either way, we've landed on something here because he was superb tonight, superb. Nothing flash, no wide-eyed tackles, no gut-busting cover runs, just a simple, but hugely effective midfield holding and screening role. Now Rafa's not about to abandon he and Lucas as defensive shields altogethor, because certain games need it. This Sunday being a prime example. It'd be suicide to go without it, because Masher would get strung all over the park, because quite simple - United move the ball quicker, and have better players than Lille. And of course, because despite Masher's prowess tonight, there were still notably one or two occassions when the Lillians got in the hole; Hazard's first half chance being the prime example.

Those chances you can live with though. Especially if you're banging in 4 at the other end.
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I knew you'd come round eventually.
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Mate, I can see the merits of both systems to be honest, I just think the last two games might do a bit more in swaying the Manager in his future selections. Maybe not for the bigger games, but more so for the cannon fodder.
 
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[quote author=Ryan link=topic=39391.msg1072659#msg1072659 date=1268958620]
there were still notably one or two occassions when the Lillians got in the hole; Hazard's first half chance being the prime example.
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They are Lillois for goodness sake! You should know better.
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I know mate, it was just an extension of yesterday's pre-match thread.
 
Bright points, Kuyt put in two excellent crosses in the first half and work tirelessly, Torres 2 more goals, and Mascherano and Insua put in solid performances
 
[quote author=DHSC link=topic=39391.msg1072679#msg1072679 date=1268966398]
I thought Mavuba had a very good game for Lille but faded in the last quarter. Hazard looked pretty good too, as did the centrebacks and the rightback.
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Yeah Mavuba's solid. Does the simple thing and reads the game well.

When Gerrard dragged him out of position though, he had little cover and we exploited it pretty well.
 
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