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Talksh!te are holding a competition. First prize: a season ticket to Old Toilet. Second prize: two season tickets to Old Toilet.
 
Love the Ratcliffe interview on BBC Sport. He’s slated his useless, talentless overpaid squad and said they were running out of cash so he had to raise prices and sack boatloads

I love he’s name checked two of his current squad in the shit list
Three! Casemiro, Onana and Hojlund all in the not good enough and overpaid club. Plus they still owe 17 m on Sancho. It's the sort of read that makes your grin grow bigger and bigger with every sentence.
 
Love the Ratcliffe interview on BBC Sport. He’s slated his useless, talentless overpaid squad and said they were running out of cash so he had to raise prices and sack boatloads

I love he’s name checked two of his current squad in the shit list
The problem is, he looks worse tool for sacking catering staff or whatever to save 40K. Someone who is apparently as successful as him, why do they focus on small fry to fix big things? Obviously I don't understand businesses like these guys or don't have the right accounts to fiddle tax or sway government policy.
 
As Goldbridge rightly says, no club in the history of the Premier League has become successful through the policy of austerity and cutting costs. So they are trying to do something that’s never been done before - or perhaps they don’t care about success on the pitch at all.
 
After reading bits of the interview, I had a look at redcafe and most of them seem at least happy that someone from the club is addressing things in public even if some of the answers are not to their taste. Glazers have really done a number on them if this feels like a step in the right direction.
 
As Goldbridge rightly says, no club in the history of the Premier League has become successful through the policy of austerity and cutting costs. So they are trying to do something that’s never been done before - or perhaps they don’t care about success on the pitch at all.

I guess you could counter - in their case - that they've spent outrageously for years and it's not really helped either.

They really do need to strip everything back, get rid of the dead wood and hope they can get some really good young players in to change things around.

The alternative is to do what Barca did and sell everything in sight to try and remain competitive. Ironically in Barca's case, it's the academy that ended up bailing them out.
 
They lost over £300m over 4 years, what point do they fall foul of PSR? Surely come summer, its a sell to buy policy, they already owe £300m in transfer fees along with no CL football.
 
I guess you could counter - in their case - that they've spent outrageously for years and it's not really helped either.

They really do need to strip everything back, get rid of the dead wood and hope they can get some really good young players in to change things around.

The alternative is to do what Barca did and sell everything in sight to try and remain competitive. Ironically in Barca's case, it's the academy that ended up bailing them out.
There's a big difference however between destroying the camaraderie of say a Xmas party for staff, then dismissing half of them ... and say trimming the fat from the squad. They could easily have covered the costs of staff critical to the smooth and feel good running of the club by just getting rid of one high earning player at the end of the season (and replacing him with a younger, hungrier and better player) :

Casemiro is on £18m per year (before bonuses).
Mount is on £13m
Shaw £8m
Evans £3.5m
Rashford is loaned out but United still paying some of his £15.6m salary, Antony £10.4m and Sanco £7.8m.
 
There's a big difference however between destroying the camaraderie of say a Xmas party for staff, then dismissing half of them ... and say trimming the fat from the squad. They could easily have covered the costs of staff critical to the smooth and feel good running of the club by just getting rid of one high earning player at the end of the season (and replacing him with a younger, hungrier and better player) :

Casemiro is on £18m per year (before bonuses).
Mount is on £13m
Shaw £8m
Evans £3.5m
Rashford is loaned out but United still paying some of his £15.6m salary, Antony £10.4m and Sanco £7.8m.

I was talking about the footballing side of things when I said strip everything back. Exactly as you say, Casemiro needs to go along with Erikson and all the other wasters... though I hope they all sit around and see their contracts out.

That said, a couple posters on redcafe said they have a much higher headcount than any other club in football... 500 more employees? Maybe there is a lot excess fat that needs trimming there. Either way, the Musk style approach has not been a good look, no...
 
As Goldbridge rightly says, no club in the history of the Premier League has become successful through the policy of austerity and cutting costs. So they are trying to do something that’s never been done before - or perhaps they don’t care about success on the pitch at all.

No club in the history of the Premier League has had to deal with PSR restrictions though. City have romped to the last few titles having cheated their way to the top before the rules tightened.

It's a different ballgame now. And honestly a bit silly. United should take their licks, go with a youth movement while they shed their high earners and eat a couple years out of Europe (or at least the CL). But the lost revenue from doing so puts them in an even tougher position.

Once again, I'll state my preference for a luxury tax and revenue sharing. Let clubs spend but they get taxed above a certain value, with the proceeds being distributed down the league (or even down the pyramid).
 
No club in the history of the Premier League has had to deal with PSR restrictions though. City have romped to the last few titles having cheated their way to the top before the rules tightened.

It's a different ballgame now. And honestly a bit silly. United should take their licks, go with a youth movement while they shed their high earners and eat a couple years out of Europe (or at least the CL). But the lost revenue from doing so puts them in an even tougher position.

Once again, I'll state my preference for a luxury tax and revenue sharing. Let clubs spend but they get taxed above a certain value, with the proceeds being distributed down the league (or even down the pyramid).

I'm not very familiar with the rules but in whatever form they take, I think there should be consequences for pissing hundreds of millions up the wall.
 
No club in the history of the Premier League has had to deal with PSR restrictions though. City have romped to the last few titles having cheated their way to the top before the rules tightened.

It's a different ballgame now. And honestly a bit silly. United should take their licks, go with a youth movement while they shed their high earners and eat a couple years out of Europe (or at least the CL). But the lost revenue from doing so puts them in an even tougher position.

Once again, I'll state my preference for a luxury tax and revenue sharing. Let clubs spend but they get taxed above a certain value, with the proceeds being distributed down the league (or even down the pyramid).

But wouldn’t letting certain clubs spend what they want, even if it is taxed, just lead to inflated prices and not really benefitting other teams, because the higher transfer costs would outweigh any tax distribution?

I think it might work if there was no such thing as a transfer fee.

I’d probably go the other way and have a fixed amount that all teams could spend on transfers and wages, with no wiggle room to go above it - and make that amount not so high as most teams couldn’t spend it - say £100m on transfers per season and no more.
 
Every time I've seen him speak he comes across as a cunt, but he's right that the interest payments aren't the issue at Utd. If they were well run they could easily afford to have the best squad in the league AND pay £30m in interest a year. The problem is the Glazers have just let complete idiots like Woodward spend the club into the ground. There's zero reason to think even more transfer spending and an even more bloated squad would've improved things.

They obviously need some austerity but for a fan Ratcliffe seems to have surprisingly little appreciation that it's not just another struggling petrochemical company.
 
A home fit for the circus you say
 

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I see United have also announced plans for a new 100k seat stadium.

Is it just me… or does the design look a bit like a circus big top.

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He's getting ripped by some journos for a some blatant lies about their financial state, and he also comes across as a massive cunt.

Meet the new owners, same as the old ones.
 
I've commented in the past that part of the issue around expanding Anfield further is the public realm works that would be required, investment in infrastructure etc. That £2bn cost will include a ton of money for that kind of expenditure, and it's likely they'd get some form of government subsidy towards that. But if Jimmy thinks that United aren't going to have to find most of that £2bn themselves then he's delusional.
This has the look of a dead cat strategy to distract from the clown show on and off the pitch, to be followed by years of complaints that the club is not getting the governmental support it needs, followed by a watered down plan to patch up Old Toilet.
Anyone creaming themselves over these pictures should remember how impressed most of us were when we saw the Chelsea / Battersea Power Station pictures nearly 13 years ago. It was only formally abandoned last year and they are no further on with a plan B.
 
We need to tighten our belts. Cut, cut and more cut.

Let’s go get a 2 billion quid mortgage.
When has a build ever come on budget? However can they do all of that £2bn? They are talking about a concourse, shopping precinct and public infrastructure upgrade
I think it will cost £3-4 bn
 
When has a build ever come one budget? However can they do all of that £2bn. They are talking about a concourse, shopping precinct and public infrastructure upgrade
I think it will cost £3-4 bn

I've not read the details but I assume the £2bn is just for the stadium.

The idea they can get this done in 5 years is as laughable as them winning the league in 3.
 
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