Perhaps this will help
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TBF it doesn't help that they're pronounced exactly the same.
It doesn't help when you are saying it, but the fact that they are spelled differently should sure as fuck help when you are typing it.
It's not like we are talking about two unknowns here.
Well, no, but some people find it far more difficult to learn stuff they see as opposed to stuff they hear (and vice versa). If a person falls clearly on one side or the other of that dividing line, they may well be remarkably resistant to taking information in the other way.
That's exactly why I posted this thread (well not really, I just think people need to think a bit). Perhaps it will help.
I'd add an audio clip too, but that would just confuse things more.
Actually JJ learning tests have shown the opposite. I forget the exact figures but it's something like :
Physically do something : recall is 90%
See something : recall is like 50%
Hear something : recall is 20%
Or make up your own figures 😉
I don't doubt those overall figures, Froggy, but not all individuals are identical. I worked closely with teachers and ed.psychs.for a quarter of a century as an educational administrator and I still do now as a school governor, and they'll all tell you that there are a number of individuals who find it very difficult to learn in the style which isn't their favourite - some visual learners find it difficult to process info.conveyed orally to them, ditto for some aural learners trying to process stuff presented visually (though I understand the latter is less common).
However, Mamma Mia makes a good point about how some people just need to think a bit. Broadcasters are the prime example IMO.
However, Mamma Mia makes a good point about how some people just need to think a bit. Broadcasters are the prime example IMO.
Are they though? Almost everyone in the English media pronounces the 'v' with the v sound, so I don't see why anyone would confuse them.
They are, mish. "B" in Spanish is frequently pronounced "v" too. It isn't just English which has some weird pronunciations. 😉
I'm currently studying Spanish JJ (albeit, at a beginner level), and I haven't really seen that. However, this could be a regional thing, I guess.
In that case your Spanish is better than mine and I bow to it. I was told that by an ex-girlfriend (who certainly spoke Spanish but learned it in S.America, so you could well be right about the regional bit) longer ago than I care to remember.
Part of it may well be simple laziness TBH, the same kind which leads folks to mix up things like "there/their/they're".
Now that I come to think of it, I recently had a girl from Colombia filling in as a substitute for my regular instructor for a day, and she kept pronouncing her 'v's with the 'b' sound. Didn't really notice the vice versa though, though I suppose it's entirely possible.
And my knowledge of Spanish is very very rudimentary at the moment, so I wouldn't be quick to bow to it 😀
And my knowledge of Spanish is very very rudimentary at the moment, so I wouldn't be quick to bow to it 😀
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