Mooted swap for Yossi in crap press. Just above another headline 'Spurs look to offload fringe players'.
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Wouldnt be a bad move. torres, pavlyuchenko and jovanovic to start next season sounds a lot better than torres, ngog and voronin at the start of last season! Plus maybe yossi's time with us is up. Its about time we got some new players and ideas out wide!
I don't mind him, that's the best I can muster.
Puts last week's Aguero or Higuain thread into perspective.
Puts last week's Aguero or Higuain thread into perspective.
He's one of those old-fashioned 'goalscorer and that's it' types. Kinda like Trezeguet, Romario, Fowler, etc. Only nowhere near as good a goalscorer.
His work outside of that as a centre-forward isn't great, hence why he finds himself on the bench at Spurs most of the time. He's clearly capable of putting ball into net - which is a rare commodity amongst centre forwards these days, but Managers generally look for more out of a striker these days.
Rafa, or someone else, might take him but he's never going to be 1st choice.
His work outside of that as a centre-forward isn't great, hence why he finds himself on the bench at Spurs most of the time. He's clearly capable of putting ball into net - which is a rare commodity amongst centre forwards these days, but Managers generally look for more out of a striker these days.
Rafa, or someone else, might take him but he's never going to be 1st choice.
Depending on the asking price and his willingness to buy into whatever system we end up with, I'd take him. Even if he is a clear second choice, he's going to get more games than at Spurs.
So would I. I'd be OK with taking Pavlyuchenko as well, given how short we are up front, but not instead of.
Yossi, flawed though he is, is one of the few players we have that has a spark of creativity.
Seeing as it's unlikely we'll bring in anyone decent to replace him, I'm not sure about this one.
That said, we do need a striker - but if, as Ryan says, it's the sort of striker that does nothing but put the ball in the net, then perhaps we shouldn't be getting rid of one of the few people that'll be feeding that ball in.
Just a thought like
Seeing as it's unlikely we'll bring in anyone decent to replace him, I'm not sure about this one.
That said, we do need a striker - but if, as Ryan says, it's the sort of striker that does nothing but put the ball in the net, then perhaps we shouldn't be getting rid of one of the few people that'll be feeding that ball in.
Just a thought like
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=40223.msg1104341#msg1104341 date=1273740095]
I'd rather keep Yossi. Especially if Gerrard's had enough.
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Yeah, right. Gerarrd leaves and we think that fucking Benayoun can replace him.
That's as mental as selling Alonso and thinking Lucarse could take his place.
Or selling Riise and thinking Insua was good enough.
Or selling Crouch, Bellamy and Keane and thinking Eggnog could deputise for Torres.
I'd rather keep Yossi. Especially if Gerrard's had enough.
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Yeah, right. Gerarrd leaves and we think that fucking Benayoun can replace him.
That's as mental as selling Alonso and thinking Lucarse could take his place.
Or selling Riise and thinking Insua was good enough.
Or selling Crouch, Bellamy and Keane and thinking Eggnog could deputise for Torres.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40223.msg1104369#msg1104369 date=1273743939]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=40223.msg1104341#msg1104341 date=1273740095]
I'd rather keep Yossi. Especially if Gerrard's had enough.
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Yeah, right. Gerarrd leaves and we think that fucking Benayoun can replace him.
That's as mental as selling Alonso and thinking Lucarse could take his place.
Or selling Riise and thinking Insua was good enough.
Or selling Crouch, Bellamy and Keane and thinking Eggnog could deputise for Torres.
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I don't think anyone is saying that Yossi could replace Gerrard. I think the (rather depressing) point is, that if our best players are going to leave, we should probably do our best to cling on to the *next tier* of players, if only to occupy the void left behind.
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=40223.msg1104341#msg1104341 date=1273740095]
I'd rather keep Yossi. Especially if Gerrard's had enough.
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Yeah, right. Gerarrd leaves and we think that fucking Benayoun can replace him.
That's as mental as selling Alonso and thinking Lucarse could take his place.
Or selling Riise and thinking Insua was good enough.
Or selling Crouch, Bellamy and Keane and thinking Eggnog could deputise for Torres.
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I don't think anyone is saying that Yossi could replace Gerrard. I think the (rather depressing) point is, that if our best players are going to leave, we should probably do our best to cling on to the *next tier* of players, if only to occupy the void left behind.
I'm beyond giving a fuck.
Everyone is so keen on apportioning the blame for this season on Benitez/ net spend / the owners/ our best players/ our shit players/ our squad players
They're ALL fucking culpable and quite frankly they can ALL go and fuck themselves.*
Benayoun isn't good enough to start regularly for Liverpool, so I don't give a shit if he stays, leaves or dies, frankly.
Neither is Pavlyuchenko.
*Apart from Pepe
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=40223.msg1104376#msg1104376 date=1273744625]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40223.msg1104369#msg1104369 date=1273743939]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=40223.msg1104341#msg1104341 date=1273740095]
I'd rather keep Yossi. Especially if Gerrard's had enough.
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Yeah, right. Gerarrd leaves and we think that fucking Benayoun can replace him.
That's as mental as selling Alonso and thinking Lucarse could take his place.
Or selling Riise and thinking Insua was good enough.
Or selling Crouch, Bellamy and Keane and thinking Eggnog could deputise for Torres.
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I don't think anyone is saying that Yossi could replace Gerrard. I think the (rather depressing) point is, that if our best players are going to leave, we should probably do our best to cling on to the *next tier* of players, if only to occupy the void left behind.
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Exactly.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40223.msg1104369#msg1104369 date=1273743939]
[quote author=Buddha link=topic=40223.msg1104341#msg1104341 date=1273740095]
I'd rather keep Yossi. Especially if Gerrard's had enough.
[/quote]
Yeah, right. Gerarrd leaves and we think that fucking Benayoun can replace him.
That's as mental as selling Alonso and thinking Lucarse could take his place.
Or selling Riise and thinking Insua was good enough.
Or selling Crouch, Bellamy and Keane and thinking Eggnog could deputise for Torres.
[/quote]
I don't think anyone is saying that Yossi could replace Gerrard. I think the (rather depressing) point is, that if our best players are going to leave, we should probably do our best to cling on to the *next tier* of players, if only to occupy the void left behind.
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Exactly.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40223.msg1104381#msg1104381 date=1273745528]
I'm beyond giving a fuck.
Everyone is so keen on apportioning the blame for this season on Benitez/ net spend / the owners/ our best players/ our shit players/ our squad players
They're ALL fucking culpable and quite frankly they can ALL go and fuck themselves.*
Benayoun isn't good enough to start regularly for Liverpool, so I don't give a shit if he stays, leaves or dies, frankly.
Neither is Pavlyuchenko.
*Apart from Pepe
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Yes, let's just fuck them all off out of spite.
Forgive me, but I have absolutely no confidence in our ability to replace outgoing players with players of equal or better quality. As such, I'd rather cling on to our better ones, regardless of whether we consider them good enough in the long run.
The plausible alternative is that we get shot of them all, and end up with Lucas/Insua/N'gog mark II. Which would leave the 'he's not good enough for Liverpool' attitude looking very outdated.
This discussion is not good for my endorphins.
I'm beyond giving a fuck.
Everyone is so keen on apportioning the blame for this season on Benitez/ net spend / the owners/ our best players/ our shit players/ our squad players
They're ALL fucking culpable and quite frankly they can ALL go and fuck themselves.*
Benayoun isn't good enough to start regularly for Liverpool, so I don't give a shit if he stays, leaves or dies, frankly.
Neither is Pavlyuchenko.
*Apart from Pepe
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Yes, let's just fuck them all off out of spite.
Forgive me, but I have absolutely no confidence in our ability to replace outgoing players with players of equal or better quality. As such, I'd rather cling on to our better ones, regardless of whether we consider them good enough in the long run.
The plausible alternative is that we get shot of them all, and end up with Lucas/Insua/N'gog mark II. Which would leave the 'he's not good enough for Liverpool' attitude looking very outdated.
This discussion is not good for my endorphins.
if true this would be a good deal and I would take it. We have no strikers apart from Torres and Pav would a massive increase in class to what we have now in terms of back-up, he scores goals as well. Whereas we can do and should do better than Yossie in terms of midfielders challenging for a the first XI.
Should do better I agree with.
Can do better, not so sure
Can do better, not so sure
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=40223.msg1104488#msg1104488 date=1273759564]
if true this would be a good deal and I would take it. We have no strikers apart from Torres and Pav would a massive increase in class to what we have now in terms of back-up, he scores goals as well. Whereas we can do and should do better than Yossie in terms of midfielders challenging for a the first XI.
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Name one who's better, and likely to be available, at a price we can afford.
if true this would be a good deal and I would take it. We have no strikers apart from Torres and Pav would a massive increase in class to what we have now in terms of back-up, he scores goals as well. Whereas we can do and should do better than Yossie in terms of midfielders challenging for a the first XI.
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Name one who's better, and likely to be available, at a price we can afford.
[quote author=Delinquent link=topic=40223.msg1104401#msg1104401 date=1273746533]
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40223.msg1104381#msg1104381 date=1273745528]
I'm beyond giving a fuck.
Everyone is so keen on apportioning the blame for this season on Benitez/ net spend / the owners/ our best players/ our shit players/ our squad players
They're ALL fucking culpable and quite frankly they can ALL go and fuck themselves.*
Benayoun isn't good enough to start regularly for Liverpool, so I don't give a shit if he stays, leaves or dies, frankly.
Neither is Pavlyuchenko.
*Apart from Pepe
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Yes, let's just fuck them all off out of spite.
Forgive me, but I have absolutely no confidence in our ability to replace outgoing players with players of equal or better quality. As such, I'd rather cling on to our better ones, regardless of whether we consider them good enough in the long run.
The plausible alternative is that we get shot of them all, and end up with Lucas/Insua/N'gog mark II. Which would leave the 'he's not good enough for Liverpool' attitude looking very outdated.
This discussion is not good for my endorphins.
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Bang on Del.
We should be getting rid of those clearly not even good enough as back up (N'Gog), or those that have had long enough to prove themselves (Babel). The likes of Yossi and Kuyt are the players you'd put on the fringe of our best players, so they're the ones you're looking at using in the squad, knowing they're capable of stepping in and offering something. The out-goers should be replaced with QUALITY that is good enough to be in the first team.
[quote author=Brendan link=topic=40223.msg1104381#msg1104381 date=1273745528]
I'm beyond giving a fuck.
Everyone is so keen on apportioning the blame for this season on Benitez/ net spend / the owners/ our best players/ our shit players/ our squad players
They're ALL fucking culpable and quite frankly they can ALL go and fuck themselves.*
Benayoun isn't good enough to start regularly for Liverpool, so I don't give a shit if he stays, leaves or dies, frankly.
Neither is Pavlyuchenko.
*Apart from Pepe
[/quote]
Yes, let's just fuck them all off out of spite.
Forgive me, but I have absolutely no confidence in our ability to replace outgoing players with players of equal or better quality. As such, I'd rather cling on to our better ones, regardless of whether we consider them good enough in the long run.
The plausible alternative is that we get shot of them all, and end up with Lucas/Insua/N'gog mark II. Which would leave the 'he's not good enough for Liverpool' attitude looking very outdated.
This discussion is not good for my endorphins.
[/quote]
Bang on Del.
We should be getting rid of those clearly not even good enough as back up (N'Gog), or those that have had long enough to prove themselves (Babel). The likes of Yossi and Kuyt are the players you'd put on the fringe of our best players, so they're the ones you're looking at using in the squad, knowing they're capable of stepping in and offering something. The out-goers should be replaced with QUALITY that is good enough to be in the first team.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40223.msg1104543#msg1104543 date=1273766753]
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=40223.msg1104488#msg1104488 date=1273759564]
if true this would be a good deal and I would take it. We have no strikers apart from Torres and Pav would a massive increase in class to what we have now in terms of back-up, he scores goals as well. Whereas we can do and should do better than Yossie in terms of midfielders challenging for a the first XI.
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Name one who's better, and likely to be available, at a price we can afford.
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i assume that this deal, if it ever happened, would allow us to spend less on a striker and then pay more on a midfielder. In terms of who that midfielder could be I would suggest a couple of names:
- hazard, the guy from lille?;
- lavezzi,
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can't think now, but rest assured there are players out there who are better than yossie and who we could afford
[quote author=red_maradona link=topic=40223.msg1104488#msg1104488 date=1273759564]
if true this would be a good deal and I would take it. We have no strikers apart from Torres and Pav would a massive increase in class to what we have now in terms of back-up, he scores goals as well. Whereas we can do and should do better than Yossie in terms of midfielders challenging for a the first XI.
[/quote]
Name one who's better, and likely to be available, at a price we can afford.
[/quote]
i assume that this deal, if it ever happened, would allow us to spend less on a striker and then pay more on a midfielder. In terms of who that midfielder could be I would suggest a couple of names:
- hazard, the guy from lille?;
- lavezzi,
-
can't think now, but rest assured there are players out there who are better than yossie and who we could afford
I think Pavlyuchenko is a better player than what he has shown at Spurs so far.
He has not been used well at Spurs.
He is only a goal hanger is far from the truth. In last Euro he played a role for Russia that was not too dissimilar to that of Torres at Liverpool, and he did very well in that role.
A change of scene may work out for him.
But, we should not be selling players to get new players. I would rather Rafa hunted for Bargains to add to what we have, if we don't have the money. Players like Rierra/Babel can go, as he does not play them anyway.
He has not been used well at Spurs.
He is only a goal hanger is far from the truth. In last Euro he played a role for Russia that was not too dissimilar to that of Torres at Liverpool, and he did very well in that role.
A change of scene may work out for him.
But, we should not be selling players to get new players. I would rather Rafa hunted for Bargains to add to what we have, if we don't have the money. Players like Rierra/Babel can go, as he does not play them anyway.
I agree, he is a better player than some are giving him credit for , and if we had him last year , we would not be in the shit we are now. If I read it right he scored 5 goals from 8 appearances and all of them as sub
I also agree that we should not be selling players to bring players in, that is another reason we have failed so badly, no strength in depth no squad.
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I also agree that we should not be selling players to bring players in, that is another reason we have failed so badly, no strength in depth no squad.
regards
Well, not the decent ones anyway, and I certainly class Yossi among that group.
[quote author=Judge Jules link=topic=40223.msg1104694#msg1104694 date=1273825017]
Well, not the decent ones anyway, and I certainly class Yossi among that group.
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Yes, indeed
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Well, not the decent ones anyway, and I certainly class Yossi among that group.
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Yes, indeed
regards
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They will only want Yossi if Modoric leaves for United, which is very possible.
I'd rather Yossi stayed, TBH. He's my only source of hope at times, and it's those players you want to cling on to.
I'd rather Yossi stayed, TBH. He's my only source of hope at times, and it's those players you want to cling on to.
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40223.msg1104708#msg1104708 date=1273826829]
They will only want Yossi if Modoric leaves for United, which is very possible.
I'd rather Yossi stayed, TBH. He's my only source of hope at times, and it's those players you want to cling on to.
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Yossi does cause me optimism too,he just destroys it in equal measure. He very rarely knows when to pass or shoot. ALways with the extra touches!
I don't want to sell him, but If we already have an adequate replacement lined up then happy days
They will only want Yossi if Modoric leaves for United, which is very possible.
I'd rather Yossi stayed, TBH. He's my only source of hope at times, and it's those players you want to cling on to.
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Yossi does cause me optimism too,he just destroys it in equal measure. He very rarely knows when to pass or shoot. ALways with the extra touches!
I don't want to sell him, but If we already have an adequate replacement lined up then happy days
[quote author=Fabio Alrighty-o link=topic=40223.msg1104715#msg1104715 date=1273827319]
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40223.msg1104708#msg1104708 date=1273826829]
They will only want Yossi if Modoric leaves for United, which is very possible.
I'd rather Yossi stayed, TBH. He's my only source of hope at times, and it's those players you want to cling on to.
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Yossi does cause me optimism too,he just destroys it in equal measure. He very rarely knows when to pass or shoot. ALways with the extra touches!
I don't want to sell him, but If we already have an adequate replacement lined up then happy days
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That, W Jnr, is because, in the main, there is no one in the right position to pass it to
regards
[quote author=Squiggles link=topic=40223.msg1104708#msg1104708 date=1273826829]
They will only want Yossi if Modoric leaves for United, which is very possible.
I'd rather Yossi stayed, TBH. He's my only source of hope at times, and it's those players you want to cling on to.
[/quote]
Yossi does cause me optimism too,he just destroys it in equal measure. He very rarely knows when to pass or shoot. ALways with the extra touches!
I don't want to sell him, but If we already have an adequate replacement lined up then happy days
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That, W Jnr, is because, in the main, there is no one in the right position to pass it to
regards
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