I have the same feeling.
Oxlade-Chamberlain
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I have the same feeling.
I wish (injuries aside) we'd had Walcott earlier as well, they'd have been well better for us (and in the case of the Ox, will be).
Wenger really did ruin them
Yep. If a player hasn't developed at all in six years then that's a pretty good sign that they're immune to good coaching. He seems very similar to Ibe in many ways. All the physical attributes, but no idea how to use them and little capacity to learn. Hope I'm wrong.
You might as well say if someone isn't a democrat after six years in North Korea they're immune to democracy. It's all they've known. Wenger's coaching over the past six or so years has amounted to little more than pointing at Steve Bould and sitting down and shaking his head for the cameras.
We can sneer at them all we like, but he's had ample opportunity to learn there. Besides, Wenger's not the only coach at Arsenal. Plenty of young players have thrived there over the years. The fact that they haven't stayed could be attributed to Wenger's failures, but let's not pretend that that it's some kind of graveyard for young stars. Six years of stagnation cannot be so easily dismissed. I don't think it's irrational to assume that the player has some culpability in his own lack of success. We're talking about half a career, not a couple of desolate years.
A young player hasn't thrived there since fabregas
He's the one who played him when he wanted to leave...
Nasri certainly improved enough to earn a move to the richest club in the league at the time. I don't think anyone could argue that Ramsay hasn't developed. Sure, some youngsters have flopped there, but that's more down to recruitment than ability. Some of the more recent purchases just haven't been good enough. He's had the opportunity to develop and he hasn't. I've got a lot of confidence in Klopp, but let's not kid ourselves here. At £35 million, this is quite a gamble.
Yeah, but conversely I can't think of a younger player who has really lived up to their early promise at Arsenal for a long time.
That, plus Henry telling the world after we battered them that Arsenal is an "easy club" where everyone is always happy & relaxed regardless of results or their own performance suggests to me that the environment may not be conducive to improving players.
For the most part, anyone who was anything has left Arsenal for greater things in recent years. The disappointments have remained. Which is precisely why they've stagnated. Oxlade-Chamberlain is part of that stagnation, not a victim of it. On the face of it, Arsenal have got an excellent deal here. Let's hope Klopp can work his magic.
There's nasri , who already arrived highly thought of and much was expected... Has he fulfilled it? A good season and a move to man city. Even roque santa cruz had that
And Ramsey hasn't really improved. Arguably only his shooting has improved, and that's because he always used to go for pot shots.
It's been a decade since Wenger produced anything close to a developed youth player
When I think of a young player being improved, I think of the impact on his technique, his game intelligence, his fitness, his professionalism and his character. And at Arsenal the player who I think epitomises Wenger's declining influence is Wilshere. On the pitch he hasn't even started to change his habit of holding on to the ball until he's tackled (one major factor in his injury-dogged career), and off the pitch he hasn't shown any apparent improvement in terms of his beer and ciggies diet and his tiresome post-teenage Jack the Lad attitude and lifestyle (the other factor). And all Wenger seems to have done is shake his head, scowl at the player and then shun him, because he now seems to believe that players should improve simply by being in his venerable presence - and would do just that if it wasn't for other clubs tapping them up, 'Wenger Out' planes distracting them, Piers Morgan confusing them and - Wenger's favourite all-purpose abstraction - 'society' spoiling and undermining them. His huge ego has swallowed up his coaching ability and dispatched it out the other end, leaving nothing but hot air and an echoing sound. Everything is someone else's fault.
Amen to all of that. I would also add that Wenger has always been focused on building and maintaining a comprehensive system in everything – from nutrition and training to finances to style of play – and so even in his younger years things like in-game management, player motivation and tactical match preparation have been a little lacking compared to best managers of that day. That's why even the greatest Arsenal teams never won anything in Europe and very rarely even came close.
Now that he is losing some mental sharpness and capacity (entirely natural – pro chess players usually retire after around 45-50), he clearly has even less attention to detail and that shows in lack of development of players, poor match preparation and ultimately, results. I think the best course of action for him would have been to become Arsenal's DOF and leave coaching duties to a younger protege with similar football philosophy like Eddie Howe – this way he could focus on what he does best, controlling the overall direction of the club. Unfortunately for Arsene's legacy, he was not able to step back at the right time and there was apparently nobody at the club to even suggest this idea to him.
Most highly-rated young players don't live up to their "early promise" regardless of who the manager is or what club they play for
Are we allowed to use google? Actually, to make it more difficult, yahoo?
Poor lynda
Chamberlain?
I'll just pop in here every few pages to reassert my belief that he's just not very good and never will be.
I'm not convinced on this signing at all. Klopp clearly sees something he can work with so hopefully he'll get the best out of him. But, I can't see him being worth what we paid for him, and I certainly can't see how that money couldn't have been better spent on the defence.
I'm with this. There was a stage where he was just strolling about as the ball got played round and switched to the other side. Just struck me as bloody lazy and the last thing I'd expect to see from a player making his debut, irrespective of the score at the time. He's got a shit load to prove.
@Rafiagra - i thought i was the only one that noticed that so glad someone has raised this. The only excuse for him ... is he is new to the team and probably had no clue how to handle the situation.
Loses to us 4-0 then moves us and loses 5-0. Fuck me.
Is it too late to sell him to Sevilla?
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